The Sabbath

[Tammy Roesch]

17 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

I would argue that Sunday is the seventh day.

You do realize that basically ALL OTHER CHRISTIAN religions believe that Saturday is the Sabbath...I'll share a list of them in another post.

[Tammy Roesch]

11 hours ago, Waggles said:

We now live under a NEW covenant - a different covenant of liberty in Christ Jesus 

Psalm 40:7  Then I said, “Behold, I have come; in the scroll of the book it is written of me: 
8  I delight to do your will, O my God; your law is within my heart.” 

thus we are free to choose Sundays as our sabbath - for the moral principle of having a sabbath is fulfilled in our choice to do so - we are free under grace. 

Saturdays is for Judah and the Jews, not the Spirit-filled church.

So Waggles, are you really saying it's OK to MURDER, STEAL, LIE, COMMIT ADULTERY, WORSHIP other gods?  The Sabbath is with THESE COMMANDMENTS.  If you throw out the Sabbath, to be consistent, you must throw out the other 9 as well.

[Tammy Roesch]

11 hours ago, Waggles said:

The sabbath is now fulfilled through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. For by exercising the power and work of the Holy Spirit within me God gives me his rest.

For Spirit-filled Christians the sabbath is spiritual and 7 days a week.

Matthew 11:28  Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 
29  Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest to your souls. 
Mat 11:30  For my yoke is easy, and my burden light. 

Are the other 9 also "fulfilled through the baptism of the Holy Spirit"?  Is it NOW OK to break them, too????

 

[Tammy Roesch]

11 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

If I could choose a verse that would address the relevance of the physical  day, it would be Colossians 2:16-17:

" Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. "

Even though we are not commanded to worship on Sunday,  I believe there is spiritual significance behind it. 

Walter that verse has EVERYTHING to do with the CEREMONIAL LAW where they offered MEATS and DRINKS as offerings and they had special HOLY DAYS such as the Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles, etc.  It has NOTHING to do with the MORAL LAW and the weekly SABBATH.

[Tammy Roesch]

11 hours ago, Waggles said:

John 20:18  Mariam Magdalene comes and declares to the disciples [that] I have seen the Lord, and he had said these things to her.
19  When therefore it was evening on that day, the first of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and saith to them, Peace to you. 
20  And on saying this, he showed them the hands and the side. The disciples therefore rejoiced when they saw the Lord.

Acts 20:7  And upon the first day of the week, when we were gathered to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, intending to depart on the morrow; and prolonged his speech until midnight.

1Cor 16:2  Upon the first day of the week let each of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that when I come no collections be then made.

Waggles, what do you think these verses have to do with the Sabbath? I see no mention of the Sabbath in them. Yes, Jesus was resurrected on Sunday, the 1st day of the week.  And Acts 20:7, Paul was getting ready to leave the believers and everyone go together for a big pot luck before he left on Sunday to give him a going away dinner.  And 1 Corinthians 16:2 just says that people are supposed to sit down on the 1st day of the week and get their finances in order, so that when Paul came, they would have it all figured out how much their tithes and offerings were.  There is nothing about the Sabbath in any of these verses that I can see.

[Tammy Roesch]

10 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Yes indeed the first day of the week is a wonderful time for fellowship but just remember it's not a commandment.

I agree!   I love to fellowship with believers on EVERY DAY, Sunday included   But I do not keep the Sabbath on Sunday as that is, as you stated, the 1st day of the week.  The Sabbath is the 7th day...and that is the day that GOD Himself set aside for us to worship on.

[Tammy Roesch]

I would like to share a few statements with you all regarding what other CHRISTIAN  religions say about the Sabbath.  

"Where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all?  We are commanded to keep the seventh, but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day." (Plain Sermons on the Catechism, Isaac Williams - an Anglican)

"There is nothing in Scripture that requires us to keep Sunday rather than Saturday as a holy day."  (Christianity Today, Nov. 5, 1976, Harold Lindsell, former editor - a Baptist.)

"Let us be clear on this point, thought the Christian 'that day, the first day of the week' is the most memorable of all days....there is no command or warrant in the New Testament for observing it as a holy day." (Bible Standard, May, 1916 - Church of Christ.)

"Nowhere in the Bible is it laid down that worship would be done on Sunday." (Toronto Daily Star, October 26, 1949, Phillip Carrington - an Episcopalian.)

"The Sabbath was founded on a specific divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday....There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday."  (The Ten Commandments, Dr. R. W. Dale - a Congregationalist.)

"The reason we observe the first day instead of the seventh is based on no positive command. One will search the Scriptures in vain for authority for changing from the seventh day to the first." (Ten Rules for Living, Clovis G. Chappell - a Methodist)

 

[johnthebaptist]

3 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

You do realize that basically ALL OTHER CHRISTIAN religions believe that Saturday is the Sabbath...I'll share a list of them in another post.

I don't know what difference that would make, and I don't know what your definition is for "ALL OTHER CHRISTIAN religions." It seems to me that in America, where a large percentage of Christians live, Sunday is their day of worship.

[appy]

I don't care how many churches observe the sabbath! Those who wish to observe the sabbath, will do so and those who do NOT, will NOT observe it, PERIOD. Just as you can't make a horse drink water, you can't force another to accept your views regarding this.

We are not limited to meeting on just one day, since no day has been specifically set aside by God for “CHRISTIAN” fellowship and worship. We are always in the presence of God and worship him continually because He and Christ reside in us through the indwelling Holy Spirit.

[Tammy Roesch]

4 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I don't know what difference that would make, and I don't know what your definition is for "ALL OTHER CHRISTIAN religions." It seems to me that in America, where a large percentage of Christians live, Sunday is their day of worship.

Yes, it has become that....but that is just TRADITION....  Just because our parents and grandparents do certain things, doesn't necessarily mean they were right