The Cross of Christ

[Alive]

Broach a subject and I will point you to the Cross, Resurrection and Ascension. 

Discuss sin and I will point you there.

Mention holiness and again I will lead you there.

[Kelly2363]

6 minutes ago, Alive said:

Broach a subject and I will point you to the Cross, Resurrection and Ascension. 

Discuss sin and I will point you there.

Mention holiness and again I will lead you there.

 

There is no safer ground to stand in than the Cross of Christ. No greater measure of Revelation than by Resurrection life and no greater means to glorify the Father  - than by being ascended in Christ as He is ascended to His right hand - and in that place to know the Father in a semblance of seeing as through a glass - yet to know Christ in His fulness by the Holy Spirit.

I have scarcely heard the truth of it in a single pulpit in near 40 years. Every means possible to present only shadows is pressed until in the end nothing save for the childish Cross of Christ crucified for sin remains - and even that is proving insufficient for the effect that is upon many believers. 

To speak of the fulness is to render yourself as a mad man - it is to refuse the world and to be seen as though you were refusing life itself in consideration of needing to bear with the flesh of men who's demands are endlessly waring against the Spirit. 

The greatest truth that those who are born of God can receive is to know that in Christ, the Father has made an end of the old man and has given us a new creature in Him - even Christ raised from the dead and ascended into heaven - seated down at His right hand and coming again in His glory to partake in His eternal kingdom - yet now in this garment of our flesh to become the servant of all.  

[Alive]

3 hours ago, Kelly2363 said:

 

There is no safer ground to stand in than the Cross of Christ. No greater measure of Revelation than by Resurrection life and no greater means to glorify the Father  - than by being ascended in Christ as He is ascended to His right hand - and in that place to know the Father in a semblance of seeing as through a glass - yet to know Christ in His fulness by the Holy Spirit.

I have scarcely heard the truth of it in a single pulpit in near 40 years. Every means possible to present only shadows is pressed until in the end nothing save for the childish Cross of Christ crucified for sin remains - and even that is proving insufficient for the effect that is upon many believers. 

To speak of the fulness is to render yourself as a mad man - it is to refuse the world and to be seen as though you were refusing life itself in consideration of needing to bear with the flesh of men who's demands are endlessly waring against the Spirit. 

The greatest truth that those who are born of God can receive is to know that in Christ, the Father has made an end of the old man and has given us a new creature in Him - even Christ raised from the dead and ascended into heaven - seated down at His right hand and coming again in His glory to partake in His eternal kingdom - yet now in this garment of our flesh to become the servant of all.  

Yes---although it is and has been preached.

:-)

This is why I live there, Kelly and if there is anything the Lord has given me to do there it is.

As I have said many times--all doctrine, theology and understanding 'must' bow to the Cross, Resurrection and Ascension.

If something is taught that does not---then the Cross will answer. From death to Life. I absolutely love to speak of those things and I agree, it doesn't get the space it should.

Paul pointed a long finger when he stated: I determined to know nothing but Christ Crucified among you. His loftiest writing in Romans, Ephesians and Colossians and one could opine Galatians---is an exposition of the depth of what God Almighty accomplished.

Why did Christ come and by what means did He do what was required? What was required to bring about God's "Eternal Purpose".

Praise the LOrd---indeed!

[johnthebaptist]

6 hours ago, Alive said:

Broach a subject and I will point you to the Cross, Resurrection and Ascension. 

Discuss sin and I will point you there.

Mention holiness and again I will lead you there.

People are at different places in their journeys with the Lord. I have long been inspired by this: 

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV

[steve morrow]

REQUIRED 

1 CORINTHIANS 4:1  let a man so account of us as the ministers of  CHRIST  and stewards of the mysteries of  GOD  

--4:2-- moreover it is  --required-- in stewards that a man be found faithful 

 

PSALM 119:86  all thy commandments --are faithful-- they persecute me wrongfully help thou me 

PSALM 119:138  thy testimonies that thou hast commanded are righteous and --very faithful--

PSALM 119:119  thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross therefore I love thy testimonies 

 

ACTS 3:26  unto you first  GOD  having raised up  HIS  SON  JESUS  sent  HIM  to bless you in turning away everyone of you from his iniquities

2 TIMOTHY 2:19  nevertheless the foundation of  GOD  standeth sure having this seal  THE  LORD  knoweth them that are  HIS  and let every one that nameth the name of --CHRIST-- depart from iniquity 

--2:20-- but in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver but also of wood and of earth and some to honor and some to dishonor 

--2:21--  if -- a man therefore purge himself from these he shall be a vessel unto honor sanctified and meet for the masters use ---and prepared unto every good work---

 

HEBREWS 9:15  and for this cause  HE  is the mediator of the new testament that by means of death for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance 

--9:16-- for where a testament is there must also of necessity be the death of the testator 

--9:17-- for a testament is of force after men are dead otherwise ---it is of no strength at all --- while the testator liveth ---

 

COLOSSIANS 1:20  and having made peace through the blood of the cross by  HIM  to reconcile all things to himself ---BY  HIM--- I say whether they be things in earth or things in heaven

--1:21-- and you that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works yet now hath  HE  reconciled 

--1:22-- in the body of  HIS  flesh through death to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in  HIS  sight

--1:23--IF--  you continue -- in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you have heard and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven whereof I paul am made a minister 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

[David1701]

6 hours ago, Kelly2363 said:

 

There is no safer ground to stand in than the Cross of Christ. No greater measure of Revelation than by Resurrection life and no greater means to glorify the Father  - than by being ascended in Christ as He is ascended to His right hand - and in that place to know the Father in a semblance of seeing as through a glass - yet to know Christ in His fulness by the Holy Spirit.

I have scarcely heard the truth of it in a single pulpit in near 40 years. Every means possible to present only shadows is pressed until in the end nothing save for the childish Cross of Christ crucified for sin remains - and even that is proving insufficient for the effect that is upon many believers. 

To speak of the fulness is to render yourself as a mad man - it is to refuse the world and to be seen as though you were refusing life itself in consideration of needing to bear with the flesh of men who's demands are endlessly waring against the Spirit. 

The greatest truth that those who are born of God can receive is to know that in Christ, the Father has made an end of the old man and has given us a new creature in Him - even Christ raised from the dead and ascended into heaven - seated down at His right hand and coming again in His glory to partake in His eternal kingdom - yet now in this garment of our flesh to become the servant of all.  

Watchman Nee is very good on that kind of thing.

[Alive]

14 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Watchman Nee is very good on that kind of thing.

Yes he is. I was fortunate in that within  few weeks of being born again, the Lord led me to read Nee. And read I did.

That was in 1975.

That foundation has been a great blessing all of these years. He must be viewed at times as being from the far east, but the Lord loves diversity within the Body.

When the Lord teaches a thing---He teaches a thing.

I would say that the truth of the Cross, Resurrection and Ascension has been invaluable in the face of much opposition over the decades.

God is Good, brother.

[David1701]

22 minutes ago, Alive said:

Yes he is. I was fortunate in that within  few weeks of being born again, the Lord led me to read Nee. And read I did.

That was in 1975.

That foundation has been a great blessing all of these years. He must be viewed at times as being from the far east, but the Lord loves diversity within the Body.

When the Lord teaches a thing---He teaches a thing.

I would say that the truth of the Cross, Resurrection and Ascension has been invaluable in the face of much opposition over the decades.

God is Good, brother.

Amen!

[Kelly2363]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

Watchman Nee is very good on that kind of thing.

 

Yes I know that brother. I have written a great deal about Ni Tuoshen (Watchman Nee) in the past and spent several years addressing the awful condemnation by Xu Mei Li in seeking to destroy his work and testimony in the United States. Like @Alive I too received Nee's work into my hands when I was first saved. I see now why Alive was awake to that element of what I have written that speaks into the ministry of Nee. 

[Michael37]

20 hours ago, Alive said:

Broach a subject and I will point you to the Cross, Resurrection and Ascension. 

Discuss sin and I will point you there.

Mention holiness and again I will lead you there.

The Cross of Christ, where the intersecting conflict between God and His Adversary is resolved, with the Good News of the end of its beginning and the beginning of its end heralding hope for all Creation. 

Rom 8:18-21  For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.  (19)  For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.  (20)  For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;  (21)  because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
 

 Col 1:15-23  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.  (16)  For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.  (17)  And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.  (18)  And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.  (19)  For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,  (20)  and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.  (21)  And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled  (22)  in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—  (23)  if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.