Giaour Posted August 24, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Apology accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace_Maker Posted August 24, 2005 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 24 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2005 U.S. evangelist calls for assassination of Chavez Aug 23 1:21 PM US/Eastern  WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative U.S. evangelist Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, saying the leftist leader wanted to turn his country into "the launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism." The founder of the Christian Coalition said during the Monday night television broadcast of his religious program, "The 700 Club," that Chavez, one the most vocal critics of President George W. Bush, was a "terrific danger" to the United States. "We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said. "We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." State Department spokesman Sean McCormack condemned Robertson's comments as "inappropriate" and said they were from a private citizen and did not represent the U.S. government position. In Caracas, Venezuelan Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said: "This is a huge hypocrisy to maintain an anti-terrorist line and at the same time have such terrorist statements as these made by Christian preacher Pat Robertson coming from the same country." "The ball is in the U.S. court now," Rangel told reporters. The leftist Chavez has often accused the United States of plotting his overthrow or assassination. Alongside his ally Cuban leader Fidel Castro in Havana on Sunday, Chavez scoffed at the idea that he and Castro were destabilizing troublemakers in Latin America. 'CHEAPER THAN STARTING A WAR' In his broadcast, Robertson said: "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop." A Robertson spokeswoman said he had no further comment at this point. "Right now Dr. Robertson does not have a statement and he's not doing any media interviews," she said. Venezuela is the world's fifth largest oil exporter and a major supplier to the United States. This was the most recent example of Robertson's controversial remarks. Criticizing the State Department in he said "maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up." State Department spokesman Richard Boucher had called the remark "despicable." Robertson once declared that feminism "encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." He also suggested that activist judges were more of a threat to the United States than terrorists and disagreed with Bush's characterization of Islam as a religion of peace. Robertson's "700 Club" reaches an average of 1 million American viewers daily, according to his Web site. He ran for the Republican Party's presidential nomination in 1988. __________________________________________________________________ Welll.....I suppose it would be cheaper than a war Dan <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with Rev HAGLER Beware of Pharisees! By Rev. GRAYLAN SCOTT HAGLER Pat Robertson suggested this past Monday that the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, be assassinated by operatives of the United States government. Though his comments are newsworthy because of his following in the 700 Club and his political stature and role in the political religious right, his comments however are out of synch with everything that has been handed down to us from the teachings of Jesus Christ. What I am suggesting here is that Pat Robertson and individuals of his ilk are not practicing or preaching Christ but have become adherents of a political movement in this nation that attempts to use Christianity towards their own narrow political ends. I believe that there is a role for Christianity in the events of the world, but the teachings of Christ leads us to love one another, strain and stretch to understand each other, and dare to know each other enough that we come to an understanding of one another and from that create a world that is not built on might and winning but on understanding and unity. Clearly the comments of Robertson defy the framework we find in the gospels of Jesus Christ. Some may argue that Christ existed in another time and did not have an understanding of the kind of world we exist in today. But any follower of Jesus knows that as he was human and he was also fully God, and therefore his understanding of the world, humankind and our needs were not captive to a time but applies to all time! Knowing this I do not see anywhere in the gospels of Christ that he condones, suggests or advocates murder or political assassination! Instead Jesus reminds us to beware of Pharisees, and Robertson, Dobson and others have become the Pharisees of our contemporary world! What do we find in the Good News of Christ? We find love is expressed continually and unceasingly. The gospels admonish us to do unto others, as you would have them do unto you. We finds words in the gospels that define the mission of Christians as the elevation of the poor, freedom for those who are oppressed, salvation for the lost, and hope for the hopeless. Jesus says come unto me all of you who are weak and heavy laden and I will give you rest. He does not say come to me those who are looking for political expediency and I will show you who to and how to assassinate! Sure there has been trouble in Venezuela, and some will suggest that it is communism struggling to raise it head. Others will suggest that the poor of Venezuela have been poor too long in a nation that is the 5th largest oil producer in the world. Some will suggest that too much of the resources have been in the hands of too few, and that the poor of the land have found hope in a political leader, Hugo Chavez. I would not suggest that Chavez is a saint, for no person is perfect, but I do know that Chavez was elected even while the greatest power in the world, the United States government, did everything possible to thwart his election. This is hardly the neighborliness that Jesus Christ calls us to emulate. I am continually amazed at how so many preachers have ceased to preach Christ, or to proclaim him out of the rich simplicity of his teachings and have resorted to a kind of theology that is not gospel based but is based on a narrow point of view that keeps the powerful powerful and the poor poor! Therefore, it is impossible to justify the comments of Pat Robertson. His comments are not of the gospel he claims to preach, nor of the teachings of Christ that any Christian claims to love. Instead what Robertson has to say is based on a paradigm from the most conservative voices in this country, and those voices have no God except themselves and no soul except their selfish point of view! Beware of Pharisees! Reverend Graylan Scott Hagler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted August 24, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted August 24, 2005 I don't think that Dobson belongs with the likes of Robertson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgolvach Posted August 24, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 110 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,254 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 24, 2005 You don't tug on superman's cape..... You don't spit...in the wind... You don't pull the hat off the ol' long ranger... And you don't mess around with...Hmmmm Pat???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace_Maker Posted August 24, 2005 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 24 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2005 (edited) Well, lets see.... Edited August 24, 2005 by Peace_Maker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 24, 2005 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,309 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,061 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2005 I didn't say it was right.... just reality.... this is a very sick word we live in controlled by very sick people who do things in a very sick way. I'd get into all the whyfors and ways but it'd would just be deleated as a conspiracy post. Get used to this kind of stuff, for it is jsut going to get worse..... se Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Reverend Graylan Scott Hagler I don't know who this guy is...but is he associated with the same United Church of Christ that is currently anti-Israel? If so...I'd listen to Pat over him anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted August 24, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted August 24, 2005 I just did a quick google of this hagler guy. What a nut case. One of his pet projects include.... SOLIDARITY WITH THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 I'd rather follow Pat anyday The gist of what he was saying is right on even if he did cross the line of tact and wisdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgolvach Posted August 24, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 110 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,254 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 24, 2005 Anybody that buddies up to Castro is most likely a pretty bad apple. Why do the bad guys end up with all of the good oil fields? Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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