The 7 year treaty and the building of the temple. .

[Diaste]

15 hours ago, TCC said:

Have you guys considered how Ezekiel 38 might play into this? It looks like those notions in Ezekiel 38 are lining up and have been since 2017. Like could that war come first or lead into the AC and his contract with Israel?

From what I can tell Ezekiel 38-39 is the battle at end after Jesus makes His return. I don't believe I see anything to place this before the start of the end of the age. 

 

 

[Kelly2363]

22 hours ago, angels4u said:

I don't believe the AC will be a Muslim but somebody from Europe

 

I was thinking of applying for the post myself - and just as I thought the cards were in - we left the EEU. 

[TCC]

11 hours ago, Diaste said:

From what I can tell Ezekiel 38-39 is the battle at end after Jesus makes His return. I don't believe I see anything to place this before the start of the end of the age. 

 

 

Since November 2017 Russia, Iran, and Turkey have made an alliance in the UN. These are the 3 leading nations in Ezekiel 38. This alliance never occurred before in history. The hard placement ID is Russia. Josephus in the 1st century thought Magog was the Scythian people mapped out in the region of Kazakhstan then. From 800 BC to 200 BC the Scythian race ruled various locations north of the Black Sea (throughout Russian regions). Russia has museum displays and online details claiming the Scythians as their ancestors. For the past 3 years Russia, Turkey, and Iran have jointly met in Kazakhstan regarding what to do with Syria. 

The idea that Gog and Magog occurs after the reign of Christ is due to reformation theology viewing Ezekiel 37 as ultimately having Israel supernaturally raised from the dead. In theory, the layout of chapter 37 looks to be evolutionary in nature. Like how things look "over time." It could be 1948 +. And the part where Israel is believing in Christ likely a reference to its peak during the tribulation of 144k. So it may be that Ezekiel 38 occurs in our lifetime prior to, at, or during the tribulation. There are people watching the lineup with all the nation states listed in Ezekiel 38. It has been forming in that exact direction for 3 years now. It looks possibly about 2 years off if it continues in that trajectory. Something to consider perhaps. Blessings. 

[Diaste]

3 hours ago, TCC said:

Since November 2017 Russia, Iran, and Turkey have made an alliance in the UN. These are the 3 leading nations in Ezekiel 38. This alliance never occurred before in history. The hard placement ID is Russia. Josephus in the 1st century thought Magog was the Scythian people mapped out in the region of Kazakhstan then. From 800 BC to 200 BC the Scythian race ruled various locations north of the Black Sea (throughout Russian regions). Russia has museum displays and online details claiming the Scythians as their ancestors. For the past 3 years Russia, Turkey, and Iran have jointly met in Kazakhstan regarding what to do with Syria. 

Oh I'm quite convinced of this, along with some Prussians and other Western Europeans. Some say the Tribe of Dan, or some of them, settled in the north. 

3 hours ago, TCC said:

The idea that Gog and Magog occurs after the reign of Christ is due to reformation theology viewing Ezekiel 37 as ultimately having Israel supernaturally raised from the dead. In theory, the layout of chapter 37 looks to be evolutionary in nature. Like how things look "over time." It could be 1948 +. And the part where Israel is believing in Christ likely a reference to its peak during the tribulation of 144k. So it may be that Ezekiel 38 occurs in our lifetime prior to, at, or during the tribulation. There are people watching the lineup with all the nation states listed in Ezekiel 38. It has been forming in that exact direction for 3 years now. It looks possibly about 2 years off if it continues in that trajectory. Something to consider perhaps. Blessings. 

I don't think Gog/Magog occurs after the reign of Christ. Not the first one. The second action of Satan bringing Gog against the Kingdom is after the 1000 years. The Ezekiel 38-39 Gog of Magog war is that same one called Armageddon.

[TCC]

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

Oh I'm quite convinced of this, along with some Prussians and other Western Europeans. Some say the Tribe of Dan, or some of them, settled in the north. 

I don't think Gog/Magog occurs after the reign of Christ. Not the first one. The second action of Satan bringing Gog against the Kingdom is after the 1000 years. The Ezekiel 38-39 Gog of Magog war is that same one called Armageddon.

Yes some view it as Armageddon. There are also views of it occurring before, at, or otherwise during the tribulation. 

[Diaste]

17 hours ago, TCC said:

Yes some view it as Armageddon. There are also views of it occurring before, at, or otherwise during the tribulation. 

That's always interesting to me. What is God saying about it? 

[Dennis1209]

On 8/24/2021 at 11:55 PM, truecrosstrueshield said:

I've been following bible prophecy for a couple a decades. It seems now everything described has already happened to bring us into the tribulation period. There's one sign left perhaps we should be looking for in the book of Daniel this 7 yr. peace treaty among Israel and other nations. The building of a temple where the Antichrist will be there for nearly most of that period. Most recognized in the last 3 1/2 yrs. Or wait 1335 days at least and then the Matthew 25 yet not knowing the actual day or hour.

I don't have a regular newspaper. I can miss some important news at times. Is anyone keeping their eyes on this 7 yr treaty and the building of this temple?

Does anyone have any good sources special news I can keep a watch on these prophecies of the end specifically for now?

And if you have any insight inputs, understanding on this topic can you share what you know?. . Anything you know to share may be helpful to all of us here watching the signs God told us to look after . . and since I don't have any conclusive answers maybe someone else knows more about this . . so I'll keep a check on this post any links or answers one may have.

I recommend Amir Tsarfatti [Behold Israel]. He gives breaking middle east updates frequently on his YouTube channel. 

The Temple Institute has everything necessary now for Temple service and sacrifice. It's just a matter of when and how Israel takes over possession of the old Temple Mount, and when and how the Dome of the Rock is no more. I have some thoughts about that, but it's too lengthy. 

[truecrosstrueshield]

This is all I can really say. It's a couple of years ago I was reading on this. Doesn't seem anyone knows exactly about the treaty and the building of the temple. . The regular news made no mention either. .

I learned that the Roman Empire is divided splits. Such as the 2 iron legs in Nebuchadnezzar dreams and the Roman Empire goes further than Europe. So the Antichrist doesn't have to come from Europe. He could come from any region which the Roman Empire had control of . . He says he could maybe come from about Assyria or nearby countries etc . .

Saying it's not to likely a European or Muslim will be sitting in the temple. .Possibly from one of the original tribes of Israel may be the one to get in the temple.

This isn't an anti Semitic comment.

To mention we remember Judas a Hebrew Jew betrayed Jesus. Who it also said that Muslims may cooperate upon this. It would be considered however what we call a false peace agreement . . . and allowing the temple to be built. .

Because Muslims believe that Jesus was the son of Mary and Joseph and Jesus was a prophet. They believe Jesus will return as a prophet. Declaring that Allah is the true God. . Everyone is looking for a messiah. Even Islam. Meaning a chosen one. . If anyone believes a messiah shows up all will be supporting their own view points. .

The Antichrist might say he's the chosen one always spoken about. Maybe even for all religions. Then bringing all people under a one world religion. . Leading people to place their hope in that direction world wide. .

I consider these things a possibility. Keeping my eyes on the changing events. So I think it's possible he may come from Assyria or nearby nations and one of the tribes chosen to lead in the new built temple. . It's the best educated guess I've heard. Yes he has ways. It's only of his best study understanding. Only God knows. .

This is where I was to a halt. Bringing me here to ask about the 7 year treaty and temple. The book doesn't know either exactly. He believes it could be quite near in the future. .

Does anyone have anything to say about what I said? Does this or not make any sense? If so or if not Maybe you can clear anything up. I learn from others not just myself.

[Dennis1209]

5 hours ago, truecrosstrueshield said:

This is all I can really say. It's a couple of years ago I was reading on this. Doesn't seem anyone knows exactly about the treaty and the building of the temple. . The regular news made no mention either. .

I learned that the Roman Empire is divided splits. Such as the 2 iron legs in Nebuchadnezzar dreams and the Roman Empire goes further than Europe. So the Antichrist doesn't have to come from Europe. He could come from any region which the Roman Empire had control of . . He says he could maybe come from about Assyria or nearby countries etc . .

Saying it's not to likely a European or Muslim will be sitting in the temple. .Possibly from one of the original tribes of Israel may be the one to get in the temple.

This isn't an anti Semitic comment.

To mention we remember Judas a Hebrew Jew betrayed Jesus. Who it also said that Muslims may cooperate upon this. It would be considered however what we call a false peace agreement . . . and allowing the temple to be built. .

Because Muslims believe that Jesus was the son of Mary and Joseph and Jesus was a prophet. They believe Jesus will return as a prophet. Declaring that Allah is the true God. . Everyone is looking for a messiah. Even Islam. Meaning a chosen one. . If anyone believes a messiah shows up all will be supporting their own view points. .

The Antichrist might say he's the chosen one always spoken about. Maybe even for all religions. Then bringing all people under a one world religion. . Leading people to place their hope in that direction world wide. .

I consider these things a possibility. Keeping my eyes on the changing events. So I think it's possible he may come from Assyria or nearby nations and one of the tribes chosen to lead in the new built temple. . It's the best educated guess I've heard. Yes he has ways. It's only of his best study understanding. Only God knows. .

This is where I was to a halt. Bringing me here to ask about the 7 year treaty and temple. The book doesn't know either exactly. He believes it could be quite near in the future. .

Does anyone have anything to say about what I said? Does this or not make any sense? If so or if not Maybe you can clear anything up. I learn from others not just myself.

It's a little lengthy, but here's a copy/paste of some notes of mine with some commentary inserted. I do not necessarily agree with all the commentary, but there definitely appears to be some sort of connection between Judas Iscariot and Antichrist?

APOSTASY: The word means “a standing away from” in the sense of a falling away, withdrawal, or defection from the truth. It may be the result of persecution (Matt. 24:9,10), false teachers (Matt. 24:11), temptation (Luke 8:13), worldliness (2 Tim 4:4), inadequate knowledge of Christ (1 John 2:19), moral lapse (Heb. 6:4-6), forsaking spiritual living and worship (Heb. 10:25-31), or unbelief (Heb. 3:12). While there are those in every generation who fall away, this will be a general condition prior to the revelation of the Antichrist.

I have noticed, written about, connected and thought about, the very same same things Terry James writes about in the following Rapture Ready article: There is no doubt some sort of connection between Judas Iscariot and the Antichrist.¹

¹ _{Dennis commentary}

Rapture Ready Article

One of the primary things that has piqued my thinking—and imagination—is that there are two people in God’s Word who are given the title “son of perdition.” British theologian Arthur W. Pink (1886–1952) more or less framed the idea that provided impetus for my thinking.

As we have seen, in John 17:12 Christ termed Judas “the Son of Perdition,” and 2 Thess.2:3 we find that the Antichrist is similarly designated—“That Man of Sin be revealed, the Son of Perdition.” These are the only two places in all the Bible where his name occurs, and the fact that Judas was termed by Christ not a “son of perdition,” but “the Son of Perdition,” and the fact that the Man of Sin is so named prove that they are one and the same person. What other conclusion can a simple and unprejudiced reader of the Bible come to? (from The Antichrist, by A. W. Pink, https://www.ccel.org/ccel/p/pink/antichrist/cache/antichrist.pdf)

Pink went on to write that he believed Antichrist, the son of perdition, will be a reincarnated individual. There isn’t sufficient space in this commentary to totally explain his thinking, but I recommend that you read at the link given above if you’re interested in why he believed this. I can’t fully embrace this notion because of my bias against the belief in reincarnation by those held by Hindus in India and other places, and the fact that God’s Word says it is appointed unto man once to die, then comes the judgment. That steels the notion against reincarnation in my mind, but leaves open the possibility for a return from the dead in the case of this one man—Judas Iscariot, who was apparently lost from the beginning, according to Jesus Himself in His prayer as recorded by John:

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. (John 17: 12) [Dennis commentary: This raises a theological question; Jesus knowing Judas was “the” devil, why was Judas selected as an apostle and counted among the twelve?]

I, nor anyone, can fully explain to my satisfaction why Judas went to “his own place” upon death, or why he was apparently instructed by Jesus to do what he was supposed to do at the Last Supper—i.e., go betray the Lord to the Judaizers and the Romans. We see these strange things in the following verses:

And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. (John 13: 27)

After Judas committed suicide, the disciples sought to replace him as the twelfth member of their group with one of two other men. They wanted the now resurrected and ascended Jesus to tell them what to do. And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. (Acts 1:24–25)

We come then back to Arthur Pink’s statement that both Judas Iscariot and the one who will be Antichrist are called not “a” son of perdition, but “the” son of perdition. These are the only two who are so-designated as this evil individual. Pink goes on, in depth, to point out that Judas was called by Jesus “devil.” Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. (John 6: 70–71) This, Pink believed, meant that Judas was so possessed by a supernatural evil spirit–by Satan himself—that he was lost without chance of redemption. This certainly seems to be the case, considering the total context of what we know about Judas Iscariot and about salvation as given in God’s Word. The key word in the matter seems to me to be the word “men.” Was Judas a “man” at the time of his accepting the sop given by Jesus,? Or was he something other?

We look again at the Scripture verse about death and judgment:

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. (Hebrews 9: 27) Yet Judas Iscariot died, by his own hand, and went to “his own place.” Still, he is “the son of perdition”—same as Antichrist’s designation. Not “a” son of perdition, but “the” son of perdition.

Further, Pink writes the following.

It is hardly necessary to say that in the Greek there are two different words for “Devil” and “demon.” There are many demons, but only one Devil. Further, in no other passage is the word “devil” applied to anyone but to Satan himself. Judas then was the Devil incarnate, just as the Lord Jesus was God incarnate. Christ Himself said so, [as recorded in John 6:70–71] and we dare not doubt His word. (Ibid.) Pink then refers to the following Scripture to round out his thinking on the matter of Judas Iscariot being one and the same as the future Antichrist—a reincarnation, of sorts.

The Beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into perdition. (Revelation 17:8) He points out that most expositors of his time held that Revelation 17:11 referred to the final form of Rome as the last world empire over which Antichrist will rule. But his implication was that they denied that an actual being will come from the bottomless pit as that Antichrist character (verse 8). Pink maintains that it is Judas Iscariot in a reincarnation. But it is a supernatural man, indwelt by an evil spirit like no other.

He writes: In Matt.12:43 the Antichrist is called “The Unclean Spirit,” not merely an unclean spirit, but “the Unclean Spirit.”… [In] the writer’s mind there is no doubt whatever that none other than the Beast is here in view. If this be the case, then we have further evidence that the coming One will be no mere man indwelt by Satan, but a fallen angel, an evil spirit, the incarnation of the Devil. (Ibid.) I’m not at all sure about the term reincarnation in this case. There certainly is something profound connecting Judas Iscariot and the one who will be Antichrist, however. This “beast” will be wounded as unto death, then supposedly brought back to life at the midpoint of the Tribulation—another strange element to consider.

My own thinking revolves around the prophecy that foretells the first and second beasts of Revelation being thrown directly in the lake of fire. They apparently get no time of judgment before the Great White Throne as do men of the human sort. These are apparently already judged. This, to me, means they might not be or any longer have human, redeemable traits, so are summarily cast into that final place of the damned. Nephilim? I don’t know, but it’s interesting to contemplate. [Dennis notes: Nephilim - the offspring and product of the angels that sinned in Genesis 6:1-4]

Bottom line is that if you don’t know Jesus Christ for salvation of your soul, you will end up in the place where these two beings, the Antichrist and the False Prophet, will spend all of eternity. Here’s how to avoid their fate as well as the fate of Satan, who will be the third being thrown into that place of eternal punishment.

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Romans 10:9–10)¹

¹ _{Terry James (Rapture Ready)}

the falling away. The Day of the Lord cannot occur until a deliberate abandonment of a formerly professed position, allegiance, or commitment occurs, (the term was used to refer to military, political, or religious rebellion). Some have suggested, on questionable linguistic evidence, that this refers to “departure” in the sense of the Rapture. Context, however, points to a religious defection, which is further described in v. 4. The language indicates a specific event, not general apostasy which exists now and always will. Rather, Paul has in mind the apostasy. This is an event which is clearly and specifically identifiable and unique, the consummate act of rebellion, an event of final magnitude. The key to identifying the event is to identify the main person, which Paul does, calling him the “man of sin.” Some texts have “man of lawlessness,” but there is no real difference in meaning since sin equals lawlessness (1 John 3:4). This is the one who is called “the prince who is to come” (Dan. 9:26) and “the little horn” (Dan. 7:8), whom John calls “the beast” (Rev. 13:2–10, 18) and most know as the Antichrist. The context and language clearly identify a real person in future times who actually does the things prophesied of him in Scripture. He is also called “the son of perdition” or destruction, a term used of Judas Iscariot (John 17:12). “The falling away” is the abomination of desolation that takes place at the midpoint of the Tribulation, spoken of in Dan. 9:27; 11:31 and Matt. 24:15 (see notes there). This man is not Satan, although Satan is the force behind him (v. 9) and he has motives like the desires of the devil (cf. Is. 14:13, 14). Paul is referring to the very act of ultimate apostasy which reveals the final Antichrist and sets the course for the events that usher in the Day of the Lord. Apparently, he will be seen as supportive of religion so that God and Christ will not appear as his enemies until the apostasy. He exalts himself and opposes God by moving into the temple, the place for worship of God, declaring himself to be God and demanding the worship of the world. In this act of Satanic self-deification, he commits the great apostasy in defiance of God. For the first 3½ years of the Tribulation, he maintains relations with Israel, but halts those (cf. Dan. 9:27); and for the last 3½ years, there is great tribulation under his reign (cf. Dan. 7:25; 11:36–39; Matt. 24:15–21; Rev. 13:1–8) culminating with the Day of the Lord.¹

¹ John MacArthur Jr., ed., The MacArthur Study Bible, electronic ed. (Nashville, TN: Word Pub., 1997), 1854.

 

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Many excellent Bible teachers and scholars claim 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is mis-translated. That a root word for “falling away” [above], means depart, depart from, as in the Rapture. Based on the context of which the apostle Paul is making prior to, and after this verse, it seems plausible the wrong translation is inserted.¹

¹ _{Dennis commentary}

[Dennis1209]

We are living in interesting times. I thought I’d throw this out also. We are specifically told, we cannot know whom the Antichrist is, until he is revealed. That is not said of the coming One World Religious Leader, a.k.a. the False Prophet.

In the history of Catholicism and Popes, there has never been a Pope constantly spouting blasphemies and heresies. Everything from; all religions worship and pray to the very same god, but called by different names in different cultures. To his wild ideas of baptizing ET if they are fallen beings, and everything in-between. He looks and acts like a lamb, but speaks like a dragon.

Catholicism is the globe largest religion, with approximately 1.6 billion adherents, and growing. Under the umbrella of Pope Francis’ ecumenical movement, many of the ‘protester’ denominations are falling back under the umbrella of ‘the one true church’. Much more can be documented and verified by his own words and encyclicals.

Has anyone ever heard this Pope Francis speak of or give a mass, on the only way to be saved and get to heaven? No, he is a socialist, globalist political Pope.

What would we expect the False Prophet, or his predecessor and forerunner, to be saying and doing in preparation for the near one world religious system?