What if others will be in heaven?

[Kelly2363]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

James 1:14
"But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust."

Luke 6:44
"For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush."

It is out of the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks and the heart is deceitful above all else . I could not have gotten the fruit out of you that I got if you weren't that kind of "tree." 

So I hope you'll forgive me for exploiting the occasion but the moment I got dross instead of a plain and immediate unqualified agreement where we could have easily had it the opportunity was there to be had. If you can lay hold of that within you that makes you vulnerable to these kinds of exchange you won't bait yourself (and I won't have anything to exploit). 

 

This Josh (above) - before I do go to my bed for a few hours - is of course not a schism of meanings but an emphatic implication to my being a wolf. Specifically a false prophet. And the Luke 6:64 meaning is repeated in its full meaning in (Matthew 7:16) I am only one man Josh and I have stated very clearly in this OP what manner of calling the Lord called me into. You cannot be unaware of what you have said.

“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? “So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.” (Matthew 7:16). 

 

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

Seriously: It was a very simple matter that could have edified everyone. You're an adherent of total depravity so there is no reason for not responding with one word ("Amen!"). The power and opportunity availed itself and was ignored in favor of a lot of off-topic, unnecessary, judgmental content. 

I don't think you are the head of your household, Kelly. 

But I would like you to be so. 

 

If the Lord speaks to me Josh I will obey His voice no matter what that burden may be. 

And another poster loves your comment in which you express such an ease to incite or else to provoke the condemnation of a man to bearing the fruit of briars and thistles when the entire OP is visible and live and easily read - and in which I speak of being in the prophetic ministry to yourself as a ministry of pastoral care. May the Lord have mercy - because I have seldom come across such a mind as you have.

I am grieved. I call you brother because to call you other than would be to bring myself into condemnation without express permission from the Lord. On this forum you are free to go - in the spirit we are all bond servants and accountable to the Lord. 

I said previously that I don't cite spiritual concerns unless the meaning is spiritual. 

I am not free to do as I please - even if you are. Nor will I be turning away. But I do pray that in some way you are absent of your words in this regard. 

 

[Arrabon]

3 hours ago, Arrabon said:

You aren't hearing what I said about love.

Love is the kindness we have to uplift a brother no matter if we understand or not.

All things are done in love. 1st Cor.13:1-8, 

1 Corinthians 13

1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails.

@Your closest friendntand @Saved.One.by.Grace

You posted in likes, please stop fighting.

There was no intent on anything but love and kindness on my part brothers.

God and I both hate fighting and unkindnesses between brothers.

If I offended anyone, I am very deeply sorry, and apologize from my heart to all of you.

Arrabon

[Kelly2363]

3 hours ago, Josheb said:

A very elderly Irish Catholic woman was in hospice, her body riddled with decay, awaiting her demise. One evening she began to pray the Rosary, "Hail Mary, full of grace...." when Jesus appeared in her room and called out to her. The woman continued on, "Blessed art thou among women..." and again Jesus called out to her to no avail. The woman continued, "...and blessed is the fruit of your womb...." Once more Jesus, now shouting, called out to the woman. This time she stopped. She turn to Jesus and said, 

"Shhhhh! I'm talking to your mother!" 

 

By the grace of God I sleep for four hours and rise to greet my 34 year old son who for the first time in years has waited silently and patiently upon his bed - I will wash his broken body and love him as his father ought to love his son. I am greeted from far off by a man who neither sees my son, nor myself yet has set his mind to become my teacher. And he greets me with those things which cannot in any semblance of meaning be the fruit of God. Now I must wash my son's body with my own tears as I weep for he that was once my brother. 

I have had my few hours sleep and when I do hear from the Lord it cannot be possible that it will be to speak to a man soothingly - who openly mocks Him - and the least of his servants. Nor will I receive your instruction. I will not turn away Josh. Let those who say that it is always the will of God to yield to a contrary spirit when it speaks in a wretched voice  - be your comfort. They on the other hand have proven already that they will turn away and permit the injury of others because they could not endure injury themselves. 

Judgement begins in the house of the Lord.

May the Father of lights illuminate the darkness. 

AMEN

Edited October 7, 2021 by Kelly2363
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[Guest]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

@Amigo42, I've had a thought I will share with you before moving on if nothing new occurs.

It is not merely the Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu about which we should feel concern or wonder if they will be in heaven because many laying claim to the name of Christ will not be there. They "know," or claim to know but they are not known. One of the most remarkable things about Christianity is that Hitler and Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill might all be in the exact same place in the end and that place might be heaven, or it might be hell. For if the in the split-second moment before that bullet passed through his head Hitler repented and called upon God through faith in His resurrected Son then Adolf got saved and we'll see his charred, soot-covered empty hands raised in joyous thanks and praise. Conversely, despite their having fought on the side of good, if Frank or Winston did not know Christ and were not known by him then it was all for naught and they are writhing face-deep in fiery destruction right next to the Muslim, Buddhist, and Hindu who despite having seen the power of God throughout creation refused to acknowledge the resurrected Logos that is God. 

I have been warned (with a kind and loving word) to be careful what I write so it does not come out a as a personal insult.  Since I don't know what I said and have been extremely careful what I write, I think it best if I leave the topic.  I have unfollowed the topic and yet still proceed to get sucked in by others.  I am not answering any more posts here.  Period, and that's final.

Edited October 7, 2021 by Saved.One.by.Grace

[Your closest friendnt]

@Amigo42 

I can try to relate to your posting in the OP and the subsequent ones. 

I am trying to sort out the issues raised in your posts.

That Jesus is the Christ of God who died for the forgiveness of our sins...

The only way to Heaven is to believe in him, is not the issue in this post.

Jesus is the only way is not question in this post, but rather is affirmed. 

The issue that our sins must be under the blood of Jesus Christ to enter Heaven in his righteousness and not ours is not the issue in this OP.

The issue that only those under the blood of Jesus Christ  because of Jesus Christ righteousness can enter Heaven is not question question in this OP.

The issue is what about the group of people who not because of no fault of their own they were totally deprive of the opportunity to have their sins put under the blood of Jesus Christ. 

Those who were sent to them to bring the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ did not reached them...or they died before those who were sent to them finally reached them and informed them about something that is not understood by observing the Creation and understanding that there is a Creator. 

Those who were sent to them and some of them died on the way had to reach them and teach them about the need of a Mediator between God and man. 

About the one who open the way to Heaven....and how he accomplish that...

That could not be taught by observing the Creation. 

The Commant of Jesus Christ was to go to them and informed them and explained or lay a comprehensive message to them a accordingly. 

[Kelly2363]

54 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Amigo42 

I can try to relate to your posting in the OP and the subsequent ones. 

I am trying to sort out the issues raised in your posts.

That Jesus is the Christ of God who died for the forgiveness of our sins...

The only way to Heaven is to believe in him, is not the issue in this post.

Jesus is the only way is not question in this post, but rather is affirmed. 

The issue that our sins must be under the blood of Jesus Christ to enter Heaven in his righteousness and not ours is not the issue in this OP.

The issue that only those under the blood of Jesus Christ  because of Jesus Christ righteousness can enter Heaven is not question question in this OP.

The issue is what about the group of people who not because of no fault of their own they were totally deprive of the opportunity to have their sins put under the blood of Jesus Christ. 

Those who were sent to them to bring the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ did not reached them...or they died before those who were sent to them finally reached them and informed them about something that is not understood by observing the Creation and understanding that there is a Creator. 

Those who were sent to them and some of them died on the way had to reach them and teach them about the need of a Mediator between God and man. 

About the one who open the way to Heaven....and how he accomplish that...

That could not be taught by observing the Creation. 

The Commant of Jesus Christ was to go to them and informed them and explained or lay a comprehensive message to them a accordingly. 

 

And whilst all of that is reflective of the OP intention or asking - and in part is reflective of the comments made thereto - many have died and have already entered into judgement in the prophetic countenance of the Father - hearing not - whilst those who were sent to them were murdered in the way. How shall it be that God is found to have failed if it is His children who have wilfully abrogated reason and refused the cross unto death?

For that too is implicit in the OP comment. How shall the Father have failed unless some Muslims, Buddhists, and Hindus are unexpectedly found to be in heaven?

Who bore witness to them if they heard not? Who spoke if those who were sent -were murdered in the way? 

Edited October 7, 2021 by Kelly2363
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[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Kelly2363 said:

 

And whilst all of that is reflective of the OP intention or asking - and in part is reflective of the comments made thereto - many have died and have already entered into judgement in the prophetic countenance of the Father - hearing not - whilst those who were sent to them were murdered in the way. How shall it be that God is found to have failed if it is His children who have wilfully abrogated reason and refused the cross unto death?

For that too is implicit in the OP comment. How shall the Father have failed unless some Muslims, Buddhists, and Hindus are unexpectedly found to be in heaven?

Who bore witness to them if they heard not? Who spoke if those who were sent -were murdered in the way? 

The undisputed fact is that they died in that state of being totally deprived of having heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  

Paul did not dispute that neither Peter or James.  

No one disputes that they are not under the blood, because they are not. (We are referring to those who died without having heard from a disciple of Jesus Christ about the good news of the Gospel that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of all, inclusively all people...

Having in the list of things to remember that those who have died with the denial, that they refused the need to believe in Jesus Christ because they believe in God. 

In our christian language they are not believers...they are unbelievers...

But there is and must be a distinction between unbelievers who have refused to believe and those who are not under the blood but they have not refuse to believe. 

Can anyone called those in the second group unbelievers?  

They do not have the faith in them to call them believers but also they do not have the denial in them to call them unbelievers. 

Now what about them? Have we distinguish them from the rest? 

Can we call them the people who are totally deprived from having the opportunity to exercise their God given irrevocable right to have the chance to believe and die while their sins are under the blood of Jesus Christ. 

What about them? 

Can they be together with the group of the informed unbelievers...or can they identified with those who refused to believe in Jesus Christ.  

 

Edited October 7, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Kelly2363]

47 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The undisputed fact is that they died in that state of being totally deprived of having heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  

Paul did not dispute that neither Peter or James.  

No one disputes that they are not under the blood, because they are not. (We are referring to those who died without having heard from a disciple of Jesus Christ about the good news of the Gospel that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of all, inclusively all people...

Having in the list of things to remember that those who have died with the denial, that they refused the need to believe in Jesus Christ because they believe in God. 

 

 

Brother, I already once withdrew from addressing your point b) and c) - having obeyed your leading and addressed point a) in the precise manner of upholding your point a) with Scripture. I then explained that in my withdrawal - when you posted your point b) and point c) questions - that by asking me those two questions I was proven to be a liar. And I explained that this was because I expressly stated to another poster (Josh) that you would not be asking me to continue that line of questions because in my own words, you did not want to be drawn into a pit (of despond) and so you had graciously declined to ask me further questions of a matter which Josh was instructing me to desist in. So I told him the "good news" as I have herein stated. The posts are all visible and my face is attached to all my posts. 

What do you want from me, brother?

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[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, Kelly2363 said:

 

Brother, I already once withdrew from addressing your point b) and c) - having obeyed your leading and addressed point a) in the precise manner of upholding your point a) with Scripture. I then explained that in my withdrawal when you posted your point b) and point c) questions that by asking me those two questions I was proven to be a liar. And I explained that this was because I expressly stated to another poster (Josh) that you would not be asking me to continue that line of questions because in my own words, you did not want to be drawn into a pit (of despond) and so you had graciously declined to ask me further questions of a matter which Josh was intruding me to desist in. So I told him the "good news" as I have herein stated. The posts are all visible and my face is attached to all my posts. 

What do you want from me, brother?

Nothing anymore.  As long as you thing along those lines, but if you change your mind and you set your heart to respond then know that you are always welcome to do so...

Thank you for being polite and 

God bless 

[Hopefully]

40 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

What about them? 

“People who have the law and those who have never heard of the law are all the same when they sin. People who don’t have the law and are sinners will be lost. And, in the same way, those who have the law and are sinners will be judged by the law. Hearing the law does not make people right with God. They will be right before him only if they always do what the law says. Those who are not Jews don’t have the law. But when they naturally do what the law commands without even knowing the law, then they are their own law. This is true even though they don’t have the written law. They show that in their hearts they know what is right and wrong, the same as the law commands, and their consciences agree. Sometimes their thoughts tell them that they have done wrong, and this makes them guilty. And sometimes their thoughts tell them that they have done right, and this makes them not guilty. All this will happen on the day when God will judge people’s secret thoughts through Jesus Christ. This is part of the Good News that I tell everyone.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:12-16‬ ‭