Radiometric Dating and Creation Science

[Bawb]

On 11/7/2021 at 10:41 AM, David1701 said:

The atheists will be proud of you.  Not many of them have compiled such a list of anti-Christian propaganda.

The Bible declares that God created the heavens and earth in six, literal days, not more than about 10,000 years ago.

Oh, I don't know. I can see this from another side. I would rather know the enemies lies to better address them when they come up...

Maybe???

[David1701]

14 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

It's even more Sad to think the King of Babylon could ever turn land into a Desert and be the Cause of Earthquakes.

 

Obviously, that is talking about Satan and NO ONE else!

Perhaps you don't know what hyperbole is...

[David1701]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

If the capitol letters are going to make it too hard to get to the message, let me know and I will rewrite them in little letters for you.  I am not yelling, just how my mind expresses.  I know some have a problem that capitol letters just make them shut down the conversation because it is just tooo much for them to handle and so again if that is a problem I will go and rewrite and submit it again, no problem 


CAN I take it the meaning you gave of the Eccles verses was revealed to you to be GODS TRUTH from the Holy Spirit and it is not just an opinion of yours handed to you from other men?

And you are positive that that is what it means and all it will ever mean? 

Just want to make sure I know exactly where you are coming from when making
such an emphatic statement about Gods TRUTH. 
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JEREMIAH
HOW DID YOU or others COME TO SUCH KNOWLEDGE and why should I believe that it is 'poetic' and not as literal as it is literally written?  What makes God so clearly speaking of destroying everything 'poetic prophecy' and not literal?  How are we  to EVER KNOW what is literal if this is not, cause I don't even see anything spiritual, or figurative in hardly any of the words He uses.  Or is this knowledge that ONLY comes from knowing some man who has learned it from another man?  because

Seems to me there is alot of warnings and threats, calls to repentance and alarms being sounded.  WHAT is poetic about that?  ARE you also stating that EVERYTHING written in the books of the Prophets has to be PROPHECY?  Where does that leave place for the 'the here a little there a littles to ever come in?  

What are the ramifications for being wrong here?  Wouldn't even the slightest change in seeing the EMOTIONS OF GOD WHEN DEALING WITH HEARTACHE and PAIN and fierce anger be unacceptable?  

I do know that when I am standing in front of God and He asks why I believe this I will be say BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN in Jeremiah 4:20 you DESTROYED THE EARTH AND LEFT IT IN A STATE OF VOID AND WITHOUT FORM and from all you told me about YOU, You wouldn't have created CHAOS AND EMPTINESS AND SET IT IN THE DARK AND THEN BROUGHT that INTO THE LIGHT and had everything recede so that it COULD THEN issue forth.  

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

which has nothing in common with Gen 1:2.  

Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

I also believe that when you put SATAN IN THE GARDEN at the beginning it is the 
BIGGEST HINT ever given for 'there is 'a time' before this, so keep on the look out for more information and I will NOT DISAPPOINT. 

I really heed the warning to not let the arm be of flesh and still count on the LEADING by the Holy Spirit.   Takes lots of patience, that is for sure.  I knew I understood nothing in the beginning and  kept on in complete FAITH and TRUST that His promises would be revealed.  All I had to do was study and remind Him and sure enough the HOLY SPIRIT does exactly as promised and never has this part of Jeremiah ever come across as anything but  DIRECT and LITERAL.  THIS IS THE HISTORY I LEARN FROM.  WE ARE GIVEN SO MUCH history in His words to learn from, why would I go to mans history.  


This is Literal

Jeremiah 4:1 If thou wilt return, O Israel, saith the LORD, return unto me: and if thou wilt put away thine abominations out of my sight, then shalt thou not remove.

THIS SEEMS QUITE LITERAL AND LIKE A WARNING

Jeremiah 4:2 And thou shalt swear, The LORD liveth, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in him, and in Him shall they glory.

LITERALLY TRUE

Jeremiah 4:3 For thus saith the LORD to the men of Judah and Jerusalem, Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns.

AGAIN, LITERALLY TRUE with warning

Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

AGAIN, LITERALLY TRUE TO THE PAST AND TRUE TO THE FUTURE with alarm and warning

Jeremiah 4:5 Declare ye in Judah, and publish in Jerusalem; and say, Blow ye the trumpet in the land: cry, gather together, and say, Assemble yourselves, and let us go into the defenced cities

SOUND AN ALARM A WARNING -  AND LITERAL  

Jeremiah 4:6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

How can it be ignorant to see it as such?
 

Jeremiah 4:7 The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.

Jeremiah 4:8 For this gird you with sackcloth, lament and howl for the fierce anger of the LORD is not turned back from us.

Jeremiah 4:9 And it shall come to pass at that day, saith the LORD, that the heart of the king shall perish, and the heart of the princes; and the priests shall be astonished, and the prophets shall wonder.

Jeremiah 4:10 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.

Jeremiah 4:11 At that time shall it be said to this people and to Jerusalem, A dry wind of the high places in the wilderness toward the daughter of my people, not to fan, nor to cleanse,

Jeremiah 4:12 Even a full wind from those places shall come unto me: now also will I give sentence against them.

Jeremiah 4:13 Behold, He shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled.

Jeremiah 4:14 O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee?

Jeremiah 4:15 For a voice declareth from Dan, and publisheth affliction from mount Ephraim.

Jeremiah 4:16 Make ye mention to the nations; behold, publish against Jerusalem, that watchers come from a far country, and give out their voice against the cities of Judah.

Jeremiah 4:17 As keepers of a field, are they against her round about; because she hath been rebellious against me, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 4:18 Thy way and thy doings have procured these things unto thee; this is thy wickedness, because it is bitter, because it reacheth unto thine heart.


I MYSELF, COULDN'T EVEN READ THIS WITHOUT BREAKING DOWN AND CRYING  first billion times I read this (exaggeration)

It feels as REAL AS REAL GETS.  IT FEELS LIKE a description of an EVENT that has taken place.  It feels like feelings that have been felt.  It feels like a HISTORY LESSON I SHOULD BE AWARE OF.  It feels like something that goes with a different time.  

It is the answer to the question NO ONE CAN answer AND though they don't know the answer 

The one thing they do know,  is FOR SURE THIS ANSWER,  'can't be'.
 

Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.

Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.

Jeremiah 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.


Here is WISDOM
 

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.


GOD ISN'T REPENTING FROM THIS.  So either it happened or it is going to happen whether it is called POETIC or not.  If anything,  God is making sure it becomes one of the clearest of pictures in our minds.  

Think about the sun going out for one hour. Now, I'm no scientist but thinking about it IF THE HEAVENS did go BLACK there would be a ICE AGE. If there was an ice age then thousands of years later there would probably remains of them frozen in time.  And there are.   If they were alive up until Noahs  flood they certainly wouldn't be found as they have been BUT INSTEAD they would be all banged up and not in groups but where ever the waters took each one. Basic common sense tells us that they had to be 'flash frozen' to be found as they have been.  
 

Really, where is it written?  


I vote to keep it friendly civil and Christian and not forget to whom more is given more is expected.


I am asking you to explain WHY it is as you say it, WHAT made you believe it and HOW it is different than all the other literal verses... as in why is such literal writing being called something else and how am I to TELL THE DIFFERENCE the next time?  If there some 'language' I need to learn, it isn't going to happen.  If there are some 'laws' made up by men then is the Holy Spirit supposed to work within those parameters?

 

Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Do you really believe IT IS POSSIBLE for someone to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind and to study everyday and to find no conflict with other of Gods words  to be following their imagination?  

Am I at any time saying GODS WORDS aren't saying what they are saying? 

They say destruction on destruction.  I say yes, you say poetic
They say from His fierce anger. I say yes,  You say poetic.
They say the the earth without form, and void.  I say yes, You say poetic.  

I am saying they are saying what they are saying and that is truth. 

You are saying they are not saying what they are saying that they indeed MEAN SOMETHING ELSE and I am the one with the imagination? 


We have conversed enough to know this is bearing no fruit So I thank you for your time.   d

Never mind.

[David1701]

1 hour ago, Bawb said:

Oh, I don't know. I can see this from another side. I would rather know the enemies lies to better address them when they come up...

Maybe???

God works all things together for good, to those who love him.  That's certainly one side of everything that happens; however, I was addressing what the other poster had done (his accountability).

[AandW_Rootbeer]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

Perhaps you don't know what hyperbole is...

So, as Believer who claims the Holy Bible is the absolute Word of God, you want us to now believe that in some places it is Fiction due to over exaggeration?

 

I knew what you meant and why I responded as simply as I did.

[David1701]

2 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

So, as Believer who claims the Holy Bible is the absolute Word of God, you want us to now believe that in some places it is Fiction due to over exaggeration?

 

I knew what you meant and why I responded as simply as I did.

Hyperbole is not fiction, nor is it necessarily excessive exaggeration.  It is exaggeration to make a point, for emphasis.

One example, fairly often used in Britain, is, "I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.".  Everyone understands that the "million" is not meant to be taken literally.

Here's one clear example of hyperbole (out of many), from the Bible.

John 12:17-19 (WEB)

 17 The multitude therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of the tomb, and raised him from the dead, was testifying about it.
  18 For this cause also the multitude went and met him, because they heard that he had done this sign.
  19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, “See how you accomplish nothing. Behold, the world has gone after him.” 

[AandW_Rootbeer]

52 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Hyperbole is not fiction, nor is it necessarily excessive exaggeration.  It is exaggeration to make a point, for emphasis.

One example, fairly often used in Britain, is, "I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.".  Everyone understands that the "million" is not meant to be taken literally.

Here's one clear example of hyperbole (out of many), from the Bible.

John 12:17-19 (WEB)

 17 The multitude therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of the tomb, and raised him from the dead, was testifying about it.
  18 For this cause also the multitude went and met him, because they heard that he had done this sign.
  19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, “See how you accomplish nothing. Behold, the world has gone after him.” 

Hyperbole is a man made term, not a term inspired by the Holy Spirit.

WHO is Man to decide when the Inspired Word of God is exaggerated?

If the Holy Spirit [Inspired] the words to be written, how do you know it is then hyperbole?

How do you know that what we read did not happen as it was written?

 

This sounds more like Baptist dogma than anything else!!

[RV_Wizard]

On 11/14/2021 at 10:36 PM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

If you read some of the links I've already provided you will get an answer to your question about Exodus 20:11.

Old Earth Creation of Exodus 20:11

1. Your link cites the doctrines of man, not the word of God.

2. Sin and death came to the world through the actions of one man.  Prior to Adam, nothing died.  Fossils were created when living things were encased in sediment under pressure and fossilized.  They didn't just die.

3. All of the events from Genesis one were from the perspective of the earth.  It is an absolute absurdity to pretend it somehow referred to God's world.  This is absolutely false doctrine.

[RV_Wizard]

On 11/14/2021 at 5:33 PM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Wallow in the ignorance with the rest of YEC.  It's your choice to know the truth of God's word or not.

The truth of God's word lies within the Scriptures; not in the false teachings of man.

 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

1. Your link cites the doctrines of man, not the word of God.

YEC is a doctrine of man.

20 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

2. Sin and death came to the world through the actions of one man.  Prior to Adam, nothing died.  Fossils were created when living things were encased in sediment under pressure and fossilized.  They didn't just die.

So you claim.  Genesis 1:2 says differently.  You are just aping the falsehoods YEC teachings have been spouting.  You are a victim of their false teachings.

20 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

3. All of the events from Genesis one were from the perspective of the earth.  It is an absolute absurdity to pretend it somehow referred to God's world.  This is absolutely false doctrine.

I'm sure you believe what you write.  Too bad it is wrong.  But what's worse, you maybe leading others into these false beliefs.