AdHoc - Regarding, "There is NO rapture for the Jews.

[Bawb]

2 minutes ago, The Light said:

Yeah, It's like that isn't. Every eye will see the coming of the Lord at the gathering from heaven and earth. That day, the day of the Lord, will not take brethren like a thief.

1 Thes 5

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

And yet, how is it that the GOODMAN will not know when He is coming?

Matt 24

43 But know this, that if the good man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

He comes once where it is like the days of Noah where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood.

LIKEWISE ALSO, he comes when it will be like the days of Lot. The very day Lot left Sodom destruction came.

Learn the parable of the fig tree. It has two harvests.

Did Noah not know about the flood for a lot longer than 7 days? In lieu of the fact he was building an enormous boat, I'd say he knew for quite a long period of time. I'm sure he also was the object of ridicule the whole time (much like Abba-Yah's people trying to warn the world now).

Aren't we supposed to be watchful for the thief? Aren't we told to watch?

Wasn't Lot also told by the messengers the city was going to be destroyed?

To be honest, I'm preparing myself mentally to accept some very bad things are going to happen. If Abba-Yah decides to take me out of it, that is His will. If He doesn't that is also His will. I will praise Him and proclaim His Name either way!

[The Light]

12 minutes ago, Bawb said:

Did Noah not know about the flood for a lot longer than 7 days? In lieu of the fact he was building an enormous boat, I'd say he knew for quite a long period of time. I'm sure he also was the object of ridicule the whole time (much like Abba-Yah's people trying to warn the world now).

Aren't we supposed to be watchful for the thief? Aren't we told to watch?

Wasn't Lot also told by the messengers the city was going to be destroyed?

To be honest, I'm preparing myself mentally to accept some very bad things are going to happen. If Abba-Yah decides to take me out of it, that is His will. If He doesn't that is also His will. I will praise Him and proclaim His Name either way!

If you are in the Church as a believer in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you can escape all the things that will come to pass and stand before the son of man.

[Bawb]

2 hours ago, The Light said:

If you are in the Church as a believer in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you can escape all the things that will come to pass and stand before the son of man.

I'm not in a church. I am a Believer in Yeshua the Messiah, the Only Begotten Son of YeHoVah...

But honestly what makes you or me any better than Polycarp, Thomas Cranmer, Clement, John Wickliffe, William Tyndale? Did they "escape all things"?

I know, it states in Luke 21:36 - "So keep watch at all times, and pray that you may have the strength to escape all that is about to happen and to stand before the Son of Man.” Berean Bible or KJV version: Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

But what if it is NOT Abba-Yah's will THAT we escape? We are subject to HIS will for HIS glory and not our own thoughts, are we not?

[The Light]

2 hours ago, Bawb said:

I'm not in a church. I am a Believer in Yeshua the Messiah, the Only Begotten Son of YeHoVah...

But honestly what makes you or me any better than Polycarp, Thomas Cranmer, Clement, John Wickliffe, William Tyndale? Did they "escape all things"?

Did they escape all these things? Yes they did. They did not live in the time of these things. As for us, we are likely in the time of these things and have been given the opportunity to escape all these things. Watch and be ready.

 

2 hours ago, Bawb said:

I know, it states in Luke 21:36 - "So keep watch at all times, and pray that you may have the strength to escape all that is about to happen and to stand before the Son of Man.” Berean Bible or KJV version: Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

But what if it is NOT Abba-Yah's will THAT we escape? We are subject to HIS will for HIS glory and not our own thoughts, are we not?

If it is the time that the bridegroom comes, we can escape if we have oil in our lamp. The Lord Jesus is going to come for His bride at a time that no one knows, and yet we know the season. After the rapture of the Church God will turn His attention to his Chosen bride the Jews. After a covenant is confirmed the 70th week of Daniel will begin. And many Jews will have their eyes opened.

[The Light]

5 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Better yet, a pre-trib rapture isnt found in scripture, it's the invention of John N. Darby 1830's and promoted by C.I. Scofield in his 1909 reference bible

OH BALONEY, 

Do some RE SEARCH and quit regurgitating this nonsense.

Here is the SECRET PRETRIBULATION RAPTURE in scripture.

Song of Solomon 2

8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.

10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.

11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;

12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;

13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.

I suggest that you do some RE SEARCH. The John Nelson Darby yada, yada, yada is just something that you have heard and have never taken the time to RE search. How do I know that? I RE SEARCHED.

 

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, The Light said:

OH BALONEY, 

Do some RE SEARCH and quit regurgitating this nonsense.

Here is the SECRET PRETRIBULATION RAPTURE in scripture.

Song of Solomon 2

8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.

10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.

11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;

12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;

13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.

I suggest that you do some RE SEARCH. The John Nelson Darby yada, yada, yada is just something that you have heard and have never taken the time to RE search. How do I know that? I RE SEARCHED.

 

Oh Baloney and Hooey! Do some research and find out who the foundations are in the teaching of a pre-trib rapture John N. Darby 1830's (Plymouth Brethren, supported by C.I. Scofield 1909 reference bible, are you blind to the truth?

Wikipedia: John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism. Pre-tribulation rapture theology was popularized extensively in the 1830s by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren,^[1] and further popularized in the United States in the early 20th century by the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible.

[The Light]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Oh Baloney and Hooey! Do some research and find out who the foundations are in the teaching of a pre-trib rapture John N. Darby 1830's (Plymouth Brethren, supported by C.I. Scofield 1909 reference bible, are you blind to the truth?

Wikipedia: John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism. Pre-tribulation rapture theology was popularized extensively in the 1830s by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren,^[1] and further popularized in the United States in the early 20th century by the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible.

Wow. I had no idea what great effort you would put in to know the truth. Good for you. That might have been more of a search instead of RE SEARCH, but with the amount of time you put in, and the source listed, you can rest assured that you got the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Wiki, nice.

[Bawb]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Wow. I had no idea what great effort you would put in to know the truth. Good for you. That might have been more of a search instead of RE SEARCH, but with the amount of time you put in, and the source listed, you can rest assured that you got the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Wiki, nice.

It does make a difference when you look at Wiki AND check the references... There is nothing wrong with Wiki, as I've BRIEFLY demonstrated, you have to check the references that are cited at the bottom of the page. Kind of like what we all have to do with folks telling us what the Bible clearly states. Ole Ronnie Reagan said it best, "Trust BUT verify"!

Just saying...

Blaising, Craig A.; Bock, Darrell L. (November 1993). Progressive Dispensationalism. Wheaton, IL: Bridgepoint Books. ISBN 9781441205124.

https://books.google.com/books?id=xsumJRsOWVMC&pg=PT34&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

The Scofield Bible: Its History and Impact on the Evangelical Church, Magnum & Sweetnam. Pages 188-195, 218.

https://www.academia.edu/579280/Defining_Dispensationalism_A_Cultural_Studies_Perspective

J. N. Darby. "How the Lost Sheep was Saved".

The year in which Darby left the Church of Ireland, a branch of the Anglican Church, is not certain but a consensus of opinion is that it was possibly around 1831. Searches for formal documentation of his resignation have been made in the Church of Ireland archives, but nothing has been found. It is widely believed that Darby and Lady Powerscourt were romantically attached but friends persuaded him that any marriage may prove a distraction.

Dictionary of Premillennial Theology. Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications. 1996. ISBN 0-8254-2351-1. p. 82

https://www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Premillennial-Theology-Mal-Couch/dp/0825424100?asin=0825423511&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1

Marsden, George M (2006). Fundamentalism and American Culture (2nd ed.). New York: Oxford University Press. pp. 351. ISBN 0-19-530047-5. p. 46

Goddard, "The Contribution of Darby," p. 86

J. N. Darby, "The Doctrine of the Church of England at the Time of the Reformation"

"Thy Precepts (magazine), Jan/Feb 1996, Vol. 11, # 1" (PDF). "The Correspondents of John Nelson Darby, with Geographical Index and Chart of Travels. For the three volumes of Letters of J. N. Darby, it gives the page #, the language it was written in, recipient, place written, and date written; also contains a geographical index and a chart of his travels."

"The Man of Sorrows". www.plymouthbrethren.com. (it's actually)>>>>

http://plymouthbrethren.org/

{Dates of J.N.Darby's Collected Writings, Published by Bible and Gospel Trust 2013}

{Dates of J. N. Darby's Collected Writings, page 4 & 5, Published by Bible and Gospel Trust 2013}

"John Nelson Darby : Biography". www.museumstuff.com.

Winston Terrance Sutherland, B.S., Th.M. (May 2007). "John Nelson Darby: His Contributions to Contemporary Theological Higher Education (Dissertation Prepared for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy)" (PDF).

https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc3609/m2/1/high_res_d/dissertation.pdf

University of North Texas. pp. 20–21. "John Nelson Darby died in Bournemouth, on 29 April 1882 of protracted illness (Pickering, 1986; Turner, 1986). In John Nelson Darby: A Memorial, is outlined the funeral service of the revered theologian. Therein is documented that he “was brought to Bournemouth some weeks before his death, to the house of Mr. Hammond, an exClergyman of the Church of England.” A large following attended the burial, “from eight to ten hundred” participating in prayers, singing hymns (some written by Darby), and reading, with comment, the Scriptures. “There has been a large plain stone to mark the resting place of the richly-gifted servant of the Lord” displaying the caption: JOHN NELSON DARBY “AS UNKNOWN AND WELL KNOWN.” DEPARTED TO BE WITH CHRIST, 29TH APRIL 1882. AGED 81 2 COR. V. 21. Lord let me wait for thee alone, My life be only this, To serve Thee here on earth unknown, Then share Thy heavenly bliss. J. N. D"

Charles Henry Mackintosh. "The Assembly of God; or, The All-sufficiency of the Name of Jesus". "The termini of the church's earthly history are Pentecost (Acts 2), and the rapture. (1 Thess, 4: 16, 17)]"

Elmer L. Towns (1 January 2000). "The Ten Greatest Revivals Ever: from Pentecost to the Present". Liberty University. Retrieved 13 March 2011. "Years later, Nee To-sheng, better known outside of China as Watchman Nee, was influenced by a single British missionary, Margaret E. Barber. In 1909, Barber had submitted to believer’s baptism and left her Anglican mission to become an independent faith worker. She conducted “breaking of bread” meetings similar to those of the Christian Brethren. Nee To-sheng organized the Little Flock, a Brethren-style indigenous Chinese denomination. The True Jesus Church and Little Flock soon had more adherents than all other mission-sponsored churches combined."

Romans 11:23

Charles Spurgeon (June 1869). "Mr. Grant on "The Darby Brethren"". Sword and Trowel. Archived from the original on 20 December 2016. Retrieved 17 March 2013.

Grant, James (1875). The Plymouth Brethren: Their History and Heresies. London: William Macintosh. p. 60.
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John Nelson Darby – as I knew him, William Kelly, Words of Truth: Belfast, Northern Ireland
Neatby, William B. (1901). A history of the Plymouth Brethren. pp. 13–18, 182–198 etc.
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[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, The Light said:

Wow. I had no idea what great effort you would put in to know the truth. Good for you. That might have been more of a search instead of RE SEARCH, but with the amount of time you put in, and the source listed, you can rest assured that you got the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Wiki, nice.

The 1909 Scofield reference bible was the greatest world influence planting the pre-trib rapture in the minds and hearts of men, with millions of copies sold worldwide

Scofield was instrumental in establishing Dallas Theological Seminary, the world head quarters for this teaching, as founder Lewis S. Chafee was a disciple of Scofield, and the Seminary finds its start in Scofield's Dallas Church

Who was C.I. Scofield?

Thanks for your interest Light, I believed as you for 20+ years, didn't have a clue on the foundations of my belief being found in John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield "Dispensationalism"

Jesus Is The Lord

[The Light]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

The 1909 Scofield reference bible was the greatest world influence planting the pre-trib rapture in the minds and hearts of men, with millions of copies sold worldwide

Scofield was instrumental in establishing Dallas Theological Seminary, the world head quarters for this teaching, as founder Lewis S. Chafee was a disciple of Scofield, and the Seminary finds its start in Scofield's Dallas Church

Who was C.I. Scofield?

Thanks for your interest Light, I believed as you for 20+ years, didn't have a clue on the foundations of my belief being found in John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield "Dispensationalism"

Jesus Is The Lord

Evening Truth7t7,

I have never read the Scofield Bible nor did I read anything from John Nelson Darby. I was able to come to the conclusion that there was a pretribulation rapture simply by reading the Bible. At first, I thought, that there was a pretribulation rapture, but in time realized there was a rapture at the sixth seal and it was a post trib or pre wrath rapture. After a period of time I realized, wait a minute, there are two raptures. One for the Church and one for the twelve tribes. The fig tree has two harvests. Look that up on wiki. Also, Jacob had two brides. There are two harvest feasts in the feasts of Israel. Everyone is running around wondering what happens to the Church during the 70th week of Daniel and they aren't even on the earth. They are in heaven during the 70th week of Daniel because the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. And that's what the Word says.