1st and 2nd Resurrection differences

[DeighAnn]

As I understand it so far, 

Those of the First resurrection are

1. Those who have come to faith by hearing the words of God and have accepted as their Lord and Saviour The Messiah Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God the Word made flesh who walked amongst us who was crucified, died and rose on the third day defeating death becoming the first fruits of them who slept, the penalty paid for the sins of the world so that me might receive the gift of Salvation, and have died and passed through death (body to the grave) and risen  (spirit to the one who gave it)  and meeting with Jesus by whom we come to the Father made possible by the work He finished on the cross and  being perfected the Lamb slain will be returning to the earth as King of kings and Lord of lords to meet those who are alive and remaining who will catch up and will be changed/receiving their immortality  together in the air and on to rule and reign with Christ for the Lords Day/Millennium/1000 years Satan bound, having received their immortality and so have no fear of ever going near the lake of fire/the 2nd death, the one that kills body and soul but instead look forward to judgment because that is when our eternal rewards are received.  This group includes all the saints and martyrs and Jew and Greek bond and free, the whomsoever would Christians and whomsoever God says  AKA believers who have slept and rose

And 

2.  The alive and remaining are changed to be forever with the Lord.  

Those NOT of the 1st resurrection on whom the 2nd death might take place are

all the UNBELIEVERS who have died having never heard Gods Truth (those who 'claim' to be Christian but Jesus doesn't know them)  and those who were deceived and took the mark of the beast through lack of knowledge.

These will remain dead for the 1000 years because they have to wait until Satan is loosed again to be tested/go through tribulation.  IF THEY PASS they will be resurrected to immortality the 2nd resurrection, if they fail it will be to the lake of fire, the 2nd death.  

Then there are those who REJECTED GOD on purpose, those of the synagogue of Satan, those who willingly follow the beast, the fallen angels, those in Hades and the sea etc.  who at the end of the 1000 years  will be resurrected JUST to face judgment and death, no chance of resurrection to life,  their smoke will go up for ever and ever.  


Is that pretty much how everyone sees it?  Or am I way off?     d  


 

[AdHoc]

13 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

As I understand it so far, 

Those of the First resurrection are

1. Those who have come to faith by hearing the words of God and have accepted as their Lord and Saviour The Messiah Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God the Word made flesh who walked amongst us who was crucified, died and rose on the third day defeating death becoming the first fruits of them who slept, the penalty paid for the sins of the world so that me might receive the gift of Salvation, and have died and passed through death (body to the grave) and risen  (spirit to the one who gave it)  and meeting with Jesus by whom we come to the Father made possible by the work He finished on the cross and  being perfected the Lamb slain will be returning to the earth as King of kings and Lord of lords to meet those who are alive and remaining who will catch up and will be changed/receiving their immortality  together in the air and on to rule and reign with Christ for the Lords Day/Millennium/1000 years Satan bound, having received their immortality and so have no fear of ever going near the lake of fire/the 2nd death, the one that kills body and soul but instead look forward to judgment because that is when our eternal rewards are received.  This group includes all the saints and martyrs and Jew and Greek bond and free, the whomsoever would Christians and whomsoever God says  AKA believers who have slept and rose

And 

2.  The alive and remaining are changed to be forever with the Lord.  

Those NOT of the 1st resurrection on whom the 2nd death might take place are

all the UNBELIEVERS who have died having never heard Gods Truth (those who 'claim' to be Christian but Jesus doesn't know them)  and those who were deceived and took the mark of the beast through lack of knowledge.

These will remain dead for the 1000 years because they have to wait until Satan is loosed again to be tested/go through tribulation.  IF THEY PASS they will be resurrected to immortality the 2nd resurrection, if they fail it will be to the lake of fire, the 2nd death.  

Then there are those who REJECTED GOD on purpose, those of the synagogue of Satan, those who willingly follow the beast, the fallen angels, those in Hades and the sea etc.  who at the end of the 1000 years  will be resurrected JUST to face judgment and death, no chance of resurrection to life,  their smoke will go up for ever and ever.  


Is that pretty much how everyone sees it?  Or am I way off?     d  


 

Man is made of three parts, body, spirit and soul. At death, these three parts are sundered. The body returns to the elements (Gen.3:19), the spirit goes UP to god Who gave it (Eccl.3:21, 12:7), and the soul, which is the main part, goes to Hades under the earth (Matt.12:40).

Salvation for a man includes five things;

1. He must have his sins judicially removed. This is by faith in Jesus
2. He must have a New and Heavenly birth of his human spirit through faith. This imparts eternal life and makes him eligible for kingship
3. He must undergo a process of sanctification where the soul, corrupted by the flesh and sin, must be changed into the way our Lord Jesus would do things (Rom.8:29, 2nd Cor.3:18)
4. He must receive a renewed body. This body is unfit for the kIngdom (1st Cor.15:50-54). The process of resurrection is for the body.
5. He must have proved, through works, that he is both intimate with Jesus and is obedient to the Father in all things (Matt.7:21-23) in order to be a worthy king of a city of the Nations (Lk.19:17-19)

1st Corinthians Chapter 15 gives the most information on resurrection. Resurrection is exclusively to do with the BODY.

Our Lord Jesus is our "Forerunner". So a study of His death and resurrection will closely resemble our. Our Lord Jesus was, besides being God, fully a Man. His body was real and He died when His blood was shed. At death He gave "UP" His spirit to His Faher in heaven (Lk.24:46). His body was laid on the surface of the earth for three days. During those three days His SOUL went to Hades (Matt.12:40, Eph.4:8-9, Act.2:27-34). After three days His three parts came together and He "ROSE". The direction was given because His soul, the man himself, came from BENEATH the earth. Our Lord Jesus told the woman who met Him at the tomb that he had "NOT YET" ascended to His Father. When He ascended He did so in His body. His body was renewed, but it was the same body, evidenced by the wounds of the cross. When he returns from the clouds 2,000 years later, He will still have evidence of the wounds for Israel will "mourn Him whom they pierced".

Our path is the same. We die, our body molds to the elements on the surface of the earth. Our spirit returns to God and our soul goes to Hades. That is were Davod was 50 days after Jesus' resurrection and 10 days after His ascension (Act.2:27-34). 1st Corinthians 15:22 says that all men who were in Adam will die, but because Christ became the "life-giving spirit" (1st Cor.15:45), they will all RISE. The order of resurrection is (i) first Christ, then (ii) those who are His "at His COMING" (v.23), and (iii) then comes the end which is described inRevelation 20 - 1,000 years later. In Revelation 20 the "rest of the dead" are given up by Hades and death - indicating their resurrection.

In death, a man is unclean. In death the parts of man are sundered and a man is naked without his body (2nd Cor.5:1-5). In Luke 16 our Lord narrated some information about Hades. Because our Lord used real persons and their names, the story must be true and not a parable. He told us that Lazarus suffered while alive. Death should have ended this bodily suffering. It did, but the SOUL of Lazarus in Hades needed to be comforted. This is because death is an unnatural state and we groan when our bodies are put off (2nd Cor.5:1-3). Because a man is both unclean and naked in death, he cannot appear before God. Thus, he is put i Hades, which means "hidden".

All men will be raised with a glory, some Celestial if they have partaken of the heavenly nature (Christians) and some Terrestrial because they partook of the earthly nature (Israel and the Nations). Each man will have a different measure of glory according to what his condition was when he died. Our Lord Jesus, in preeminent glory, will be like the sun. We, inferior to Jesus will have the glory of stars - differing from each other. The Church will have its glory as the moon - reflecting the sun. Even men in the Lake of Fire will have a form of glory. The Greek word for "glory" means "made apparent". Each of us will be "made apparent" for what we possessed when we died. (1st Cor.15:35-44).

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

and the soul, which is the main part, goes to Hades under the earth (Matt.12:40).

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

I think you gave the wrong scripture for that...

 

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

He must have proved, through works, that he is both intimate with Jesus and is obedient to the Father in all things (Matt.7:21-23) in order to be a worthy king of a city of the Nations (Lk.19:17-19)

I would guess EXCEPT for 'GREAT' tribulation for the final generation

 

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

1st Corinthians Chapter 15 gives the most information on resurrection. Resurrection is exclusively to do with the BODY.

I must disagree.  WE are body spirit and soul.  Our FLESH/EARTHY/TERRESTRIAL body goes back to the dirt FROM which it came and the our OTHER body the SPIRITUAL/HEAVENLY/CELESTIAL body (which STILL contains spirit and soul go back to God) 

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

2 Corinthians 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;

2 Corinthians 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

2 Corinthians 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

2 Corinthians 4:12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

2 Corinthians 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

2 Corinthians 4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

2 Corinthians 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

2 Corinthians 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

How else would the rich man recognize Lazarus and Abraham? or those on the mount of transfiguration?  Eyes to see, mouths to speak, feelings to feel.  There are two bodies.  Our earthy body "IN EARTHEN VESSELS" begins 'dying' and our spiritual body begins 'growing' when we accept our Lord and Saviour.  By the time it hits the dirt it is long dead.  THAT is why we have 2 Bodies.  One for terra firma and one for celestial.  A body for every seed.  
 

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

D

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

So a study of His death and resurrection will closely resemble our

 Except He wasn't pre crucifixion raptured, correct?

 

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Lord Jesus was, besides being God, fully a Man. His body was real and He died when His blood was shed. At death He gave "UP" His spirit to His Faher in heaven

I don't think His death and resurrection is like ours at all, HIM BEING FULLY GOD, and us not, and having work to do that we do not.  BUT if you could show me what scriptures you are believing this from, I might also.  Always willing to learn.  

 

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

The order of resurrection is (i) first Christ, then (ii) those who are His "at His COMING" (v.23), and (iii) then comes the end which is described inRevelation 20 - 1,000 years later. In Revelation 20 the "rest of the dead" are given up by Hades and death - indicating their resurrection.

Not sure how those thoughts fit with 


Let's walk through this together

1 Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised

NOT IF THE DEAD ARE SOME DAY GOING TO RISE, BUT 'THE DEAD RISE NOT'  MEANING NOW.  

WE HAVE THE DEAD WHO HAVEN'T RISEN AND WE HAVE CHRIST WHO HASN'T RISEN.  

IF THE DEAD DON'T RISE, THEN CHRIST CAN'T RISE WITH HIM BEING DEAD and/or  BEING A PART OF THE DEAD and/or HAVING GONE TO SLEEP and/or HAVING BECOME PART OF THOSE WHO SLEPT and/or HAVING BECOME OBEDIENT TO DEATH.

DEATH CAN'T BE DEFEATED only to RELEASE CHRIST WITHOUT RELEASING EVERYONE who comes TO LIFE through Him FROM the DEATH  and resurrection of Him from it's bonds. 

THIS IS ABOUT TO BE PROVED IN A FEW VERSES.  

 

1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

1 Corinthians 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

but we know they are NOT.  How can this be?  Because the dead rise.

1 Corinthians 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

SO that order is
1 Christ first fruits of them that slept
2 them that slept who are RAISED to life through FAITH
3 them who sleep/die who HE COMES TO MEET so they can be with Him where he is all the way up until 
4 those who are alive and remaining at His coming


d

Edited December 5, 2021 by DeighAnn
EXCEPT HE WASN'T PRE CRUCIFIXION RAPTURED, RIGHT? Forgot to put in little letters

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, AdHoc said:

It did, but the SOUL of Lazarus in Hades needed to be comforted.

Luke 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

And that is the picture of paradise.  Those on the right side of the gulf with 

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

Mark 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

 

Romans 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Romans 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

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All men will be raised with a glory, some Celestial if they have partaken of the heavenly nature (Christians) and some Terrestrial because they partook of the earthly nature (Israel and the Nations). Each man will have a different measure of glory according to what his condition was when he died. Our Lord Jesus, in preeminent glory, will be like the sun. We, inferior to Jesus will have the glory of stars - differing from each other. The Church will have its glory as the moon - reflecting the sun. Even men in the Lake of Fire will have a form of glory. The Greek word for "glory" means "made apparent". Each of us will be "made apparent" for what we possessed when we died. (1st Cor.15:35-44).
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I am going to take some time on this and do some study if I forget IT WOULD NOT HURT MY FEELINGS IF YOU REMINDED ME.  I will try   Thank you again  d

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

This is not how I see it, polls of Christians show this is not pretty much how everyone sees it, and historically speaking what's stated here is a relatively new position within Christianity (and I think you know that because we've had the conversation many times.

Those who have never taken Christ as their Lord and Saviour can not be resurrected to immortality as He is the way and the life....So they went into the grave 'spritually dead' and so when resurrected it will not be to immortality but they will remain mortal/liable to die until Satan is released at the end of the Millennium for them to be tested.  They either pass and are 'resurrected to life' or fail and go into the lake of fire.  

Or do you believe that some one who never heard Gods truth will never get any chance at all?

Those who have been deceived and taken the mark of the beast can not be resurrected to immortality as they have lost their virginity.  

Pretty sure those with the mark of the beast have to be tested again.  God isn't going to give the gift of Salvation to those who have broken the first commandment do you think?  Certainly if they had a bad teacher THEY ALSO never heard Gods truth and should certainly be afforded the opportunity to hear it and get a chance, right? 

Please give me the scriptures you are using for these points or be more specific in where you find division and scriptures for those.   

Those who are of the synagogue of Satan can not be resurrected to immortality they are evil.  

Again, what Scriptures should I read to understand differently.  

(I don't understand and/or am not concerned about anything written past the first 7 words in the first paragraph.  (AS you and I have discussed many times.  I THINK you know by now that 'being in the majority' is A BAD THING IMO and not building upon the foundation is not 'growing' hence another BAD THING IMO because it doesn't allow for us to accept what was closed to Daniel and the former and latter rains being poured out. But if it needs to be mentioned again, and I now believe it does, so be it)

d

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

One of the areas in the first half I think warrants clarification is the opening sentence because hearing is not causal. Hearing the gospel does not automatically cause faith, not does it cause a person to believe. The word "by" in verses like Romans 10:17 is not causal. If mere hearing could cause faith then we'd all have had faith the first occasion we heard the gospel. 

I hope you understand I am not trying to go from a Christians first day of understanding up to the topic with every post. FEEL FREE to take those basics I don't completely explain and do so, no need to point out where they need more information, just give it if it is lacking.  No competition going on here.  You obviously were led in that direction so follow it.  By doing that we can eliminate all this time that takes from Gods Truth when we could just be adding to it if you know what I mean.  So again, if you are feeling led to point it out, just skip the pointing out and fill it in. OK?

d

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

As far as the second half of the opening post goes, most Christians believe the resurrection of the dead occurs at the last day, at which time the dead in sin are separated from those dead in Christ, the former raised to eternal destruction and the latter to eternal life. How the millennium plays into this is a matter of enormous diversity and not how "pretty much everyone sees it."

OK but we read about the 'last day' graves opening prophecy was fulfilled when Christ rose.  You noticed it is mentioned only until we find the King will not be 'CROWNED' but rejected and that 'Kingdom of Heaven' that was so close to fruition that all they had to do was repent but refused to, and instead He was crowned with a crown of thrones and crucified, and so that kingdom of heaven PROCLAIMED was snatched right back out of that 'age' and instead will come in when HE RETURNS AS King of kings and Lord of lords.   STILL the last day in which the dead would rise DID take place and we know for sure because the graves were opened and the captivity was lead away by Christ.  

 

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

I'm curious DeighAnn, this was posted in the Theology board but the resurrection is generally considered a matter of soteriology and the millennium is generally considered a matter of eschatology. Is it the overlap that prompted this being posted in the Theology board and not one of the other two? If so, then can you help us understand which, if any of the two, you'd like the discussion of this op to emphasize? 

I don't follow those rules very well, not being of this world and all and as you know, my not having gone to school.  I am surprised you didn't already know that as we have had quite a few conversations that I would think would have answered those questions without you asking them.  BUT if you feel the need...OK

To help you understand - As much as you like 'one strictly adhered to topic of discussion at once' I don't because I find that so very much of Gods words end up being related topics and I am seeking for a LESS specific detailed view and searching and hoping to find more the 'plan' for this age, so specific in comparison to the Omnipresence one of amil.  I also don't like to limit the leading of the Holy Spirit which I find leads in the most unexpected ways but the for me, when I am trying to limit myself it turns out to limit that too. 

So there are no rules really as long as there is a Christian intent.    Thank you for your response  d


 

[AdHoc]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

I think you gave the wrong scripture for that...

 

I would guess EXCEPT for 'GREAT' tribulation for the final generation

 

I must disagree.  WE are body spirit and soul.  Our FLESH/EARTHY/TERRESTRIAL body goes back to the dirt FROM which it came and the our OTHER body the SPIRITUAL/HEAVENLY/CELESTIAL body (which STILL contains spirit and soul go back to God) 

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

2 Corinthians 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;

2 Corinthians 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

2 Corinthians 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

2 Corinthians 4:12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

2 Corinthians 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

2 Corinthians 4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

2 Corinthians 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

2 Corinthians 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

How else would the rich man recognize Lazarus and Abraham? or those on the mount of transfiguration?  Eyes to see, mouths to speak, feelings to feel.  There are two bodies.  Our earthy body "IN EARTHEN VESSELS" begins 'dying' and our spiritual body begins 'growing' when we accept our Lord and Saviour.  By the time it hits the dirt it is long dead.  THAT is why we have 2 Bodies.  One for terra firma and one for celestial.  A body for every seed.  
 

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

D

I will just answer your first objection, as the others, I gather, do not answer any objection. I quoted Matthew 12:40 to show that at death our Lord Jesus went to the "heart of the earth". Contemporary Christian doctrine, including you I bekieve, teach that Christians go to heaven at death.

Our Lord Jesus, at His death, gave UP His spirit to His Father (Lk.23:46). But Acts 2:27-34 make it abundantly clear that His soul went to Hades. His "SOUL" was not left in Hades.

[AdHoc]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

EXCEPT HE WASN'T PRE CRUCIFIXION RAPTURED, RIGHT?

 

I don't think His death and resurrection is like ours at all, HIM BEING FULLY GOD, and us not, and having work to do that we do not.  BUT if you could show me what scriptures you are believing this from, I might also.  Always willing to learn.  

 

Not sure how those thoughts fit with 


Let's walk through this together

1 Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised

NOT IF THE DEAD ARE SOME DAY GOING TO RISE, BUT 'THE DEAD RISE NOT'  MEANING NOW.  

WE HAVE THE DEAD WHO HAVEN'T RISEN AND WE HAVE CHRIST WHO HASN'T RISEN.  

IF THE DEAD DON'T RISE, THEN CHRIST CAN'T RISE WITH HIM BEING DEAD and/or  BEING A PART OF THE DEAD and/or HAVING GONE TO SLEEP and/or HAVING BECOME PART OF THOSE WHO SLEPT and/or HAVING BECOME OBEDIENT TO DEATH.

DEATH CAN'T BE DEFEATED only to RELEASE CHRIST WITHOUT RELEASING EVERYONE who comes TO LIFE through Him FROM the DEATH  and resurrection of Him from it's bonds. 

THIS IS ABOUT TO BE PROVED IN A FEW VERSES.  

 

1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

1 Corinthians 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

but we know they are NOT.  How can this be?  Because the dead rise.

1 Corinthians 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

SO that order is
1 Christ first fruits of them that slept
2 them that slept who are RAISED to life through FAITH
3 them who sleep/die who HE COMES TO MEET so they can be with Him where he is all the way up until 
4 those who are alive and remaining at His coming


d

To your first question I must admit I do not understand. Please forgive me for not answering. I don't think I addressed Christ's rapture. 

To your second answer I would say that while you are correct in that He was God, His sufferings and death were as a MAN. 

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

To your third point, you have probably missed the grammar due to the archaic English. But verse 23 should have settled it. We are raised in a sequence. First Christ, then (2,000 years later) US "WHEN HE COMES". And then Revelation 20 puts another 1,000 years between the martyrs and "the rest of the dead". But should we not be convinced by nature as well. Men have spent much time an energy on the dead Pharaohs. Their bodies are around since nearly 4,000 years. Where is the "present resurrection"? Finally, 1st Thessalonians 4 gives it perfectly. We are resurrectad "at the last Trumpet", and when Christ is busy COMING.