The True Meaning of Christmas

[Your closest friendnt]

5 minutes ago, Bawb said:

I'd say that local church is also lying...

If that pastor can't they can't proclaim Christ without lying, maybe they need a new pastor.

It also does not matter what I think. What does YeHoVah think?

"Do not learn the ways of the heathen and use them to worship Me"

You are not in a position to Judge anyone and any church when you are driven by erroneous facts and erroneous beliefs to say that when a church celebrates Jesus Christ birth it is a lie. 

This is the basic through that Jesus Christ is born from a woman that he was Devine and he was borned from a woman. 

The Heavens and all the Angels and the Archangels celebrated the birth of Jesus and the wise men were guided to the place where Jesus Christ was born. 

The disciples commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ and they recorded it in the Gospels.

To read the record of Jesus Christ birth from the Gospels and calling it a lie is not prudent for a believer of Jesus Christ.  

You are not having some secret agents, are you? 

God gave them celebrations before and he does not forbid celebrations, as Paul gave guidance, no man to judge anyone according to what he does. 

To test the Spirits in this matter will be , if they talk against celebrating the arrival of the Savior the Christ of God then they are not from God but from them who denied that the Saviour of God has come and are looking forwards and waiting for another Savior to come those are the people who have rejected that Jesus Christ is from God the promise Messiah the Christ. 

You are not a Jewish rabbi, are you? 

And your historical facts as recorded by the historians of the time of Constantine are well of the mark of the truth. 

Not in this thread not to derailed it, but start your own and I am ready to prove it to you, and maybe that may help you to speak the truth about Constantine. 

 

[truth7t7]

39 minutes ago, Biblican said:

Very good. Then we should add communion to our Christmas gatherings as we celebrate His coming.

December 25th has absolutely "Nothing" to do with Jesus Christ

You can gather, celebrate, and do as you like, don't claim its biblically driven, because it's not

Jesus Is The Lord

[Biblican]

Just now, truth7t7 said:

December 25th has absolutely "Nothing" to do with Jesus Christ

You can gather, celebrate, and do as you like, don't claim its biblically driven, because it's not

Jesus Is The Lord

Jesus came. That's Biblical. We celebrate His coming.

[Biblican]

49 minutes ago, Bawb said:

When it's based on a lie, it's based on a lie. It doesn't matter how creative it is. I would even venture to say that many abominable pagan traditions are very creative... But lies none the less...

Christmas is not based on a lie, its based on the fact that Jesus was born on this planet. When it was instigated the Christians were celebrating Jesus, not some pagan festival.

[Biblican]

53 minutes ago, Bawb said:

You don't do a remembrance communion on a regular basis?

Every week.

[Bawb]

On 12/15/2021 at 1:50 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

You are not in a position to Judge anyone and any church when you are driven by erroneous facts and erroneous beliefs to say that when a church celebrates Jesus Christ birth it is a lie. 

I will let the scripture speak.

Sin is sin. If a believer is committing sin, and they claim to be a Christian, Paul says to not fellowship or socialize with such a person.

"But as it is, I wrote to you not to keep company, if any man who is named a brother is a sexual sinner, or covetous, or an idolater, or a slanderer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner. Don't even eat with such a person." (1 Corinthians 5:11 WEB)

Paul even bluntly states that he judges a man who sins, saying, "For I most assuredly, as being absent in body but present in spirit, have already, as though I were present, judged him who has done this thing." (1 Corinthians 5:3 WEB)

This is appropriate judging. Paul is not being hypocritical by also sinning, and he is objectively calling it what it is: sin.

This kind of judging is exactly what Jesus talks about in Matthew 18, saying, "If your brother sins against you, go, show him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained back your brother. But if he doesn't listen, take one or two more with you, that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the assembly. If he refuses to hear the assembly also, let him be to you as a Gentile or a tax collector." (Matthew 18:15-17 WEB)

[Bawb]

On 12/15/2021 at 1:50 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

And your historical facts as recorded by the historians of the time of Constantine are well of the mark of the truth. 

Not in this thread not to derailed it, but start your own and I am ready to prove it to you, and maybe that may help you to speak the truth about Constantine.

Also, why do you give a barbaric, heathen pagan any "credit" for spreading the gospel of Yeshua? If you give credit to anyone, how about the MILLIONS of true believing martyrs that these roman dictators and "early church fathers" MURDERED? Or better yet, give the glory to YeHoVah and not this...man.

[Bawb]

On 12/15/2021 at 1:40 PM, The_Patriot21 said:

So let me get this straight, your argument against christmas is there is no scriptural evidence for it, but yet your argument against it is from outside scripture? 

I mean correct me if Im wrong, but thats basically saying "neither of us have any scripture to back up our claims but im right so just deal with it"

Realistically if your argument is "not found in the book" means its a lie, then the same rule has to be applied across the board, meaning that your argument is a lie as well.

Not intending to pick a fight...just saying you need a better argument. Merry Christmas and God bless.

Unfortunately, I "deal with people" who won't accept the truth out of pride and the hardness of their heart everyday...

And I am correcting you because you are wrong as you have requested...

Here's Biblical proof it wasn't the 25th of Dec...

1. We know that shepherds were in the fields watching their flocks at the time of Jesus' birth (Luke 2:7-8).

    Shepherds were not in the fields during December. According to Celebrations: The Complete Book of American Holidays, Luke's account "suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night" (p. 309).

    Similarly, The Interpreter's One-Volume Commentary says this passage argues "against the birth [of Christ] occurring on Dec. 25 since the weather would not have permitted" shepherds watching over their flocks in the fields at night.

2. Jesus' parents came to Bethlehem to register in a Roman census (Luke 2:1-4).

    Such censuses were not taken in winter, when temperatures often dropped below freezing and roads were in poor condition. Taking a census under such conditions would have been self-defeating.

If Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25, does the Bible indicate when He was born?

The biblical accounts point to the fall of the year as the most likely time of Jesus' birth, based on the conception and birth of John the Baptist.

Since Elizabeth (John's mother) was in her sixth month of pregnancy when Jesus was conceived (Luke 1:24-36), we can determine the approximate time of year Jesus was born if we know when John was born. John's father, Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Jerusalem temple during the course of Abijah (Luke 1:5). Historical calculations indicate this course of service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year (The Companion Bible, 1974, Appendix 179, p. 200).

It was during this time of temple service that Zacharias learned that he and his wife Elizabeth would have a child (Luke 1:8-13). After he completed his service and traveled home, Elizabeth conceived (Luke 1:23-24). Assuming John's conception took place near the end of June, adding nine months brings us to the end of March as the most likely time for John's birth. Adding another six months (the difference in ages between John and Jesus) brings us to the end of September as the likely time of Jesus' birth.

Facts... From the Bible...

No pagan greetings back to you, brother. May God bless you with an acceptance of the truth.

 

Edited December 16, 2021 by Bawb

[truth7t7]

On 12/15/2021 at 11:05 AM, Biblican said:

Jesus came. That's Biblical. We celebrate His coming.

Jesus died and shed his precious blood, I remember his death as instructed in the cup and bread, that's biblical

[Bawb]

On 12/15/2021 at 2:16 PM, Biblican said:

Christmas is not based on a lie, its based on the fact that Jesus was born on this planet. When it was instigated the Christians were celebrating Jesus, not some pagan festival.

A half truth is a whole lie. Go to the "History Channel"

https://www.history.com/topics/christmas/history-of-christmas

Here is an excerpt:

"Also around the time of the winter solstice, Romans observed Juvenalia, a feast honoring the children of Rome. In addition, members of the upper classes often celebrated the birthday of Mithra, the god of the unconquerable sun, on December 25. It was believed that Mithra, an infant god, was born of a rock. For some Romans, Mithra’s birthday was the most sacred day of the year."

Mixing the truth with lies makes it lies. Just like mixing poison in water makes it poison...

Edited December 16, 2021 by Bawb