Jerusalem Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great Of Revelation Chapter 17

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1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Millennialism is one of the greatest deceptions today, setting up for the coming (Man Of Sin/Antichrist) to be received as the Messiah returned

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false, he warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Amen.  Jesus said His kingdom comes not with careful observation but is within/among us.  Heaven and earth will pass away but not His words....He's not going to change His mind.  He is ruling and reigning NOW by faith in this age and the devil is being loosed to deceive nations at the end of this age.

The Lord has been so gracious to rescue this dumb sheep out of a few different ditches I've stumbled into over the years, thankfully!  

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On 12/22/2021 at 4:03 PM, truth7t7 said:

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

Revelation 17:18AKJV

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Revelation 11:8AKJV

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

Revelation 18:19AKJV

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Hi truth7t7,

I am going to agree with you that the woman of Rev 17 is Jerusalem, but the beast that she rides on is Rome.

Rev 17:3, states that John is taken to the wilderness to see the woman and the beast. If John were taken to Jerusalem, he would not be taken to the wilderness of the gentile nations but to the home of the woman.

The woman only "sits" on the Roman beast city, Rev 17:9, this implies that the woman will leave the captivity of Rome and return from the wilderness of the gentile nations to her land of Israel when Jerusalem is restored to the children of Israel.

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The Rev 17 passage is showing the situation of the unbelieving broken branches in  the captivity of Rome at the time of the writing of the writing of the Revelation, 85 AD ish-96 AD ish. 

This is in contrast to the faithful branches who fled into the wilderness of the gentile nations and escaped from the Roman beast in Rev 12.

Rev 14:8, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen", shows that Jerusalem has already fallen to Rome at the time of the writing of the Revelation. Confirmed by Rev 18:2.

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The Rev 17 woman is in union with Rome and attacking the Pentecost kingdom/church, Rev 2:9, 3:9.

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Rev 18:24, Matt 23:29-37, Proves that the woman can only be Jerusalem. 

The Bible centers on Israel and Jerusalem. Many have expanded the focus to include the modern cities of the entire planet, but for Israel and the Bible, Jerusalem is the center of religion and commerce.

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[truth7t7]

54 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Hi truth7t7,

I am going to agree with you that the woman of Rev 17 is Jerusalem, but the beast that she rides on is Rome.

Rev 17:3, states that John is taken to the wilderness to see the woman and the beast. If John were taken to Jerusalem, he would not be taken to the wilderness of the gentile nations but to the home of the woman.

The woman only "sits" on the Roman beast city, Rev 17:9, this implies that the woman will leave the captivity of Rome and return from the wilderness of the gentile nations to her land of Israel when Jerusalem is restored to the children of Israel.

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The Rev 17 passage is showing the situation of the unbelieving broken branches in  the captivity of Rome at the time of the writing of the writing of the Revelation, 85 AD ish-96 AD ish. 

This is in contrast to the faithful branches who fled into the wilderness of the gentile nations and escaped from the Roman beast in Rev 12.

Rev 14:8, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen", shows that Jerusalem has already fallen to Rome at the time of the writing of the Revelation. Confirmed by Rev 18:2.

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The Rev 17 woman is in union with Rome and attacking the Pentecost kingdom/church, Rev 2:9, 3:9.

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Rev 18:24, Matt 23:29-37, Proves that the woman can only be Jerusalem. 

The Bible centers on Israel and Jerusalem. Many have expanded the focus to include the modern cities of the entire planet, but for Israel and the Bible, Jerusalem is the center of religion and commerce.

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Scripture clearly teaches that (The Beast) will be a literal human man, with personal pronouns  used, He, His, Him, as seen below 

Revelation 13:1-5KJV

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Daniel below also shows that this figure will have a literal human body that will be thrown to the flame

Daniel 7:11KJV

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Revelation 19:20 same thing, a human man cast alive into the lake of fire

Revelation 19:20KJV

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Edited January 30, 2022 by truth7t7

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1 minute ago, truth7t7 said:

Scripture clearly teaches that (The Beast) will be a literal human man, with personal pronouns  used, He, His, Him, as seen below 

Revelation 13:1-5KJV

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The beast of Rev 17 is a nation, Rome, and not an individual.

When it refers to "he, him, his", it is talking about the attributes on a national scale. 

The beast of Rev 17 is the same as the 4th beast of Dan 7 and the iron nation of Dan 2. 

The descriptions of the beast nations are given as he and him, describing the beast nations, not individuals.

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When it gives the description of the woman in Rev 17, do you apply the description to an individual or a group/nation of people? Jerusalem and the children of Israel.

In the same passage, do we describe the beast, Rome as an individual or a group/nation of people?

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See that the description of the attributes of the Dan 7 beasts are about the nations, primarily, and are not about an individual.

The beast in Rev 17 is Rome and the descriptions of the beast refer to the Roman Empire.

It clearly states that the woman is a city Rev 17:18, not a person. Can we take the description of the woman and say that it is an individual? No, we cannot, as it states otherwise, v 18.

In the same context, can we take the beast nation, Rome, and switch from the description of the national attributes to have them describe an individual?

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Understand that the description of the 4th beast nation in Dan 7 is about the lifetime of the Roman Empire nation.

It is also referred to as "he" Dan 7:25, but it is describing the attributes of the Roman Empire nation over it's lifetime of centuries and not some individual. 

 

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39 minutes ago, abcdef said:

The beast of Rev 17 is a nation, Rome, and not an individual.

When it refers to "he, him, his", it is talking about the attributes on a national scale. 

The beast of Rev 17 is the same as the 4th beast of Dan 7 and the iron nation of Dan 2. 

The descriptions of the beast nations are given as he and him, describing the beast nations, not individuals.

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When it gives the description of the woman in Rev 17, do you apply the description to an individual or a group/nation of people? Jerusalem and the children of Israel.

In the same passage, do we describe the beast, Rome as an individual or a group/nation of people?

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See that the description of the attributes of the Dan 7 beasts are about the nations, primarily, and are not about an individual.

The beast in Rev 17 is Rome and the descriptions of the beast refer to the Roman Empire.

It clearly states that the woman is a city Rev 17:18, not a person. Can we take the description of the woman and say that it is an individual? No, we cannot, as it states otherwise, v 18.

In the same context, can we take the beast nation, Rome, and switch from the description of the national attributes to have them describe an individual?

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Understand that the description of the 4th beast nation in Dan 7 is about the lifetime of the Roman Empire nation.

It is also referred to as "he" Dan 7:25, but it is describing the attributes of the Roman Empire nation over it's lifetime of centuries and not some individual. 

 

I believe (The Beast) is a literal human man, just as Daniel 7:11 described this man as (The Beast) I believe he will be a Jew King/Ruler

I believe the 10 horns will be leaders of the revived 10 tribes of Israel, they will be recognized quickly with (The Beast) in one hour 

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2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I believe (The Beast) is a literal human man, just as Daniel 7:11 described this man as (The Beast) I believe he will be a Jew King/Ruler

Dan 7, 1st beast, Babylon.

2nd beast, Media/Persia

3rd beast, Greece

4th beast Rome

10 horns, 10 kings/nations that appear after Rome falls, but are still part of the 4th beast.

The 11th horn that devours 3, a kingdom/nation that ends the existence of three other horn/nations/kingdoms.

One person cannot destroy another nation, he needs an army.

So even though he is a king, he needs a nation/people to destroy the 3 other horn/nations. So the horn represents a king and a nation.

When it describes the horn as subduing three other kingdoms/nations, it is showing nations at war.

 

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

 

I believe the 10 horns will be leaders of the revived 10 tribes of Israel, they will be recognized quickly with (The Beast) in one hour 

The 10 horns/kingdoms that remain after the Roman Empire falls are not Israel. They are remnants of the Roman Empire divided.

Rev 17, they persecute the woman Jerusalem/children of Israel. They are separate from Israel. 

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The description of the beasts in Dan 7 and Rev 17, cover centuries, much longer than one persons lifetime.

The descriptions of the beasts and horns reflect the attributes of the nations over many years.

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How many years do you count, from the beginning of the first beast of Dan 7 (Babylon), until the end of the last horn? Centuries, thousands of years.

How many years do you count, in Rev 17, from the beginning of the beast (the 1st head) until the end of the 8th head, which ends with perdition? Centuries.

Not one person, not one lifetime, centuries.

 

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4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Scripture clearly teaches that (The Beast) will be a literal human man, with personal pronouns  used, He, His, Him, as seen below

Revelation 13:1-5KJV

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

So, does the beast, (you say an individual), have 7 heads? He will be easy to identify.

Does he have 10 horns sticking out of his 7 heads?

 

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Does this individual look like a leopard?

He has feet of a bear?

His mouth is a lions mouth?

This guy is really different looking, yes?

 

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

This person, who has 7 heads, one of the heads is wounded to death?

 

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

This individual, is greater that all armies and cannot be defeated by great armies? If the beast is one person?

 

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The 42 months is symbolic and not literal, the 42 months represents centuries of Roman rule over the children of Israel.

 

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Daniel below also shows that this figure will have a literal human body that will be thrown to the flame

Daniel 7:11KJV

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

The Roman Empire beast was slain, his empire divided and it exists no more in that form, and the souls that were part of that beast are already in the eternal flames.

 

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

 

Revelation 19:20 same thing, a human man cast alive into the lake of fire

Revelation 19:20KJV

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 19:20 shows the end of the Roman Empire. Killed by the sword of the gospel coming from the mouth of Jesus.

 

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6 hours ago, abcdef said:

Dan 7, 1st beast, Babylon.

2nd beast, Media/Persia

3rd beast, Greece

4th beast Rome

10 horns, 10 kings/nations that appear after Rome falls, but are still part of the 4th beast.

The 11th horn that devours 3, a kingdom/nation that ends the existence of three other horn/nations/kingdoms.

One person cannot destroy another nation, he needs an army.

So even though he is a king, he needs a nation/people to destroy the 3 other horn/nations. So the horn represents a king and a nation.

When it describes the horn as subduing three other kingdoms/nations, it is showing nations at war.

 

The 10 horns/kingdoms that remain after the Roman Empire falls are not Israel. They are remnants of the Roman Empire divided.

Rev 17, they persecute the woman Jerusalem/children of Israel. They are separate from Israel. 

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The description of the beasts in Dan 7 and Rev 17, cover centuries, much longer than one persons lifetime.

The descriptions of the beasts and horns reflect the attributes of the nations over many years.

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How many years do you count, from the beginning of the first beast of Dan 7 (Babylon), until the end of the last horn? Centuries, thousands of years.

How many years do you count, in Rev 17, from the beginning of the beast (the 1st head) until the end of the 8th head, which ends with perdition? Centuries.

Not one person, not one lifetime, centuries.

 

Thanks for the response, we disagree

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6 hours ago, abcdef said:

The 42 months is symbolic and not literal, the 42 months represents centuries of Roman rule over the children of Israel.

 

The Roman Empire beast was slain, his empire divided and it exists no more in that form, and the souls that were part of that beast are already in the eternal flames.

 

Rev 19:20 shows the end of the Roman Empire. Killed by the sword of the gospel coming from the mouth of Jesus.

 

The 42 months are future literal, and will be the same time as the 1260 days for the (Two Witnesses) seen in Revelation 11

This future literal 42 months represents the future great tribulation of 3.5 years

Edited January 31, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

7 hours ago, abcdef said:

So, does the beast, (you say an individual), have 7 heads? He will be easy to identify.

Does he have 10 horns sticking out of his 7 heads?

 

Does this individual look like a leopard?

He has feet of a bear?

His mouth is a lions mouth?

This guy is really different looking, yes?

 

This person, who has 7 heads, one of the heads is wounded to death?

 

This individual, is greater that all armies and cannot be defeated by great armies? If the beast is one person?

 

The 42 months is symbolic and not literal, the 42 months represents centuries of Roman rule over the children of Israel.

 

The Roman Empire beast was slain, his empire divided and it exists no more in that form, and the souls that were part of that beast are already in the eternal flames.

 

Rev 19:20 shows the end of the Roman Empire. Killed by the sword of the gospel coming from the mouth of Jesus.

 

Revelation 19:20 below shows the human man (The Beast) being judged to the lake of fire, as Jesus Christ destroys this man at his future second coming (The End) as scripture teaches

I disagree with your claim this symbolically represents the Roman Empire

Revelation 19:20KJV

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.