Will "Heathens" Be Present In The Kingdom Seen In Zechariah 14?

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

I asked specifically if 144,000 will be chosen to serve at "Gods Throne" you didn't directly answer this,  144,000 at "Gods Throne"?

Shalom, t7t7.

It depends on what you think "God's Throne" means. If you're talking about "in some mythical place called 'Heaven,'" then, no. It won't be there. God establishes His Throne once again in the Temple in Jerusalem during the Millennium. That will be RIGHT HERE on this earth. Yeshua` the Messiah of God, will be His Representative King, as promised to the children of Israel. His reign will be similar to those of King David and King Shlomoh ("Solomon"). David acknowledged that YHWH God was the REAL King of Israel, even though King David held the position that other nations would see. King Yeshua`s Kingdom will operate the same way. King Yeshua` will only do as His Father wants. Let's read what the 144,000 WILL be doing:

First, we read,

Revelation 7:1-8 (KJV)

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying,

"Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar weresealed twelve thousand. 
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph (Ephraim) were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Then, we read later,

Revelation 14:1-5 (KJV)

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven (from the sky), as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

So, they are the personal servants of Yeshua`, the Lamb of God, and follow Him wherever He goes. They are male virgins (we might say, bachelors), and they are SINGERS! They MAY also be the ones who are playing the harps. In any case, they're musicians! There's no deceitfulness in them, and they are said to be "without fault" before God's Throne! That can ONLY be true if they have been justified by God. Above all else, they are children of Israel. [By the way, only 12,000 of them technically are Jews (of the tribe of "Juda" or Yhudah).]

[truth7t7]

23 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

God establishes His Throne once again in the Temple in Jerusalem during the Millennium. That will be RIGHT HERE on this earth. Yeshua` the Messiah of God, will be His Representative King, as promised to the children of Israel. His reign will be similar to those of King David and King Shlomoh ("Solomon"). David acknowledged that YHWH God was the REAL King of Israel, even though King David held the position that other nations would see. King Yeshua`s Kingdom will operate the same way. King Yeshua` will only do as His Father wants. Let's read what the 144,000 WILL be doing:

First, we read,

Revelation 7:1-8 (KJV)

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying,

"Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar weresealed twelve thousand. 
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph (Ephraim) were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Then, we read later,

Revelation 14:1-5 (KJV)

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven (from the sky), as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

So, they are the personal servants of Yeshua`, the Lamb of God, and follow Him wherever He goes. They are male virgins (we might say, bachelors), and they are SINGERS! They MAY also be the ones who are playing the harps. In any case, they're musicians! There's no deceitfulness in them, and they are said to be "without fault" before God's Throne! That can ONLY be true if they have been justified by God. Above all else, they are children of Israel. [By the way, only 12,000 of them technically are Jews (of the tribe of "Juda" or Yhudah).]

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

[truth7t7]

27 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

God establishes His Throne once again in the Temple in Jerusalem during the Millennium. That will be RIGHT HERE on this earth. Yeshua` the Messiah of God, will be His Representative King, as promised to the children of Israel. His reign will be similar to those of King David and King Shlomoh ("Solomon"). David acknowledged that YHWH God was the REAL King of Israel, even though King David held the position that other nations would see. King Yeshua`s Kingdom will operate the same way. King Yeshua` will only do as His Father wants. Let's read what the 144,000 WILL be doing:

First, we read,

Revelation 7:1-8 (KJV)

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying,

"Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar weresealed twelve thousand. 
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph (Ephraim) were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Then, we read later,

Revelation 14:1-5 (KJV)

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven (from the sky), as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

So, they are the personal servants of Yeshua`, the Lamb of God, and follow Him wherever He goes. They are male virgins (we might say, bachelors), and they are SINGERS! They MAY also be the ones who are playing the harps. In any case, they're musicians! There's no deceitfulness in them, and they are said to be "without fault" before God's Throne! That can ONLY be true if they have been justified by God. Above all else, they are children of Israel. [By the way, only 12,000 of them technically are Jews (of the tribe of "Juda" or Yhudah).]

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?
 

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time On This Earth

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Edited January 28, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

29 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

God establishes His Throne once again in the Temple in Jerusalem during the Millennium. That will be RIGHT HERE on this earth. Yeshua` the Messiah of God, will be His Representative King, as promised to the children of Israel. His reign will be similar to those of King David and King Shlomoh ("Solomon"). David acknowledged that YHWH God was the REAL King of Israel, even though King David held the position that other nations would see. King Yeshua`s Kingdom will operate the same way. King Yeshua` will only do as His Father wants. Let's read what the 144,000 WILL be doing:

First, we read,

Revelation 7:1-8 (KJV)

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying,

"Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar weresealed twelve thousand. 
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph (Ephraim) were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Then, we read later,

Revelation 14:1-5 (KJV)

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven (from the sky), as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

So, they are the personal servants of Yeshua`, the Lamb of God, and follow Him wherever He goes. They are male virgins (we might say, bachelors), and they are SINGERS! They MAY also be the ones who are playing the harps. In any case, they're musicians! There's no deceitfulness in them, and they are said to be "without fault" before God's Throne! That can ONLY be true if they have been justified by God. Above all else, they are children of Israel. [By the way, only 12,000 of them technically are Jews (of the tribe of "Juda" or Yhudah).]

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ, that will never take place

(Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

[truth7t7]

32 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

God establishes His Throne once again in the Temple in Jerusalem during the Millennium. That will be RIGHT HERE on this earth. Yeshua` the Messiah of God, will be His Representative King, as promised to the children of Israel. His reign will be similar to those of King David and King Shlomoh ("Solomon"). David acknowledged that YHWH God was the REAL King of Israel, even though King David held the position that other nations would see. King Yeshua`s Kingdom will operate the same way. King Yeshua` will only do as His Father wants. Let's read what the 144,000 WILL be doing:

First, we read,

Revelation 7:1-8 (KJV)

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying,

"Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar weresealed twelve thousand. 
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph (Ephraim) were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Then, we read later,

Revelation 14:1-5 (KJV)

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven (from the sky), as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

So, they are the personal servants of Yeshua`, the Lamb of God, and follow Him wherever He goes. They are male virgins (we might say, bachelors), and they are SINGERS! They MAY also be the ones who are playing the harps. In any case, they're musicians! There's no deceitfulness in them, and they are said to be "without fault" before God's Throne! That can ONLY be true if they have been justified by God. Above all else, they are children of Israel. [By the way, only 12,000 of them technically are Jews (of the tribe of "Juda" or Yhudah).]

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false, he warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

[Retrobyter]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

As It Stands:

1.) You dont believe in "Hell" upon the wickeds death

Shabbat shalom, t7t7.

Why are you formulating such a list? You show a PARTIAL understanding of my beliefs, but you are WAY off.

1) First, when the "wicked" dies, he or she is no longer ABLE to answer for his wickedness. Furthermore, he or she has not yet stood trial to be judged for his sins. He must be able to GIVE AN ACCOUNT FOR EVERY IDLE WORD! The sentencing for a crime happens AFTER one has been shown guilty! He or she will stand trial AFTER the Resurrection of the unjust.

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

2.) You dont believe in the trinity as the traditional church creeds/confessions teach

2) Right! I don't follow "traditional church creeds or confessions" because these are HUMAN attempts to FORCE people into a mold that are NOT following the Scriptures but are following a theological prescription.

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

3.) You dont believe Jesus Christ is God

You're right, because He never CLAIMED to be God! He, at best, said He was "the SON of God," "His FATHER!" He PRAYED to God! He did whatever God His Father instructed Him to do! He said it Himself:

John 5:16-23 (KJV)

16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17 But Jesus answered them,

"My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."

18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

[This was the JEWS' interpretation of what He said, not His own!]

19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them,

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he (God) doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. 21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them (brings them back to life); even so the Son quickeneth (brings back to life) whom he will. 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him."

Have you ever stopped to think about what Yeshua` was saying to the young man who came running up?

Matthew 19:16-17 (KJV)

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him,

"Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?"

17 And he said unto him,

"Why callest thou me 'good?' there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

This was recorded by the other Evangelists:

Mark 10:17-19 (KJV)

17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him,

"Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?"

18 And Jesus said unto him,

"Why callest thou me 'good?' there is none good but one, that is, God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother."

Luke 18:18-19 (KJV)

18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying,

"Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"

19 And Jesus said unto him,

"Why callest thou me 'good?' none is good, save one, that is, God. 20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother."

Was Yeshua` pretending? Was He lying? OR, was He telling him the TRUTH?!

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

4.) You believe 144,000 will be selected servants at Gods throne

Your theology is that of a "Jehovahs Witness" inseparable

It appears that the watchtower and tract society has had great influence in their missionary work

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

4) OF COURSE, there will be 144,000 children of Israel, selected to be God's servants at His Temple! Who else would be qualified? Who else would know what to do?

My theology is NOTHING LIKE that of one of Jehovah's Witnesses! They believe in doing good works to be acceptable to God! THIS IS THE CRUCIAL EVIDENCE that I'm NOT a JW! I know that one can ONLY be acceptable to God when that person is JUSTIFIED by God, outside of the deeds of the Law!

 

Oh, and Yes, Yeshua` the Messiah ("Jesus the Christ") is the Lord; however, there's a funny thing about that word "Lord" which apparently you don't know or appreciate. The English word "Lord" is used to translate the Greek word, "kurios." The thing about "kurios" is that it was used to translate TWO DIFFERENT Hebrew words when quoting the Tanakh (the OT Scriptures): "Adoniy," meaning "my sir," and "YHWH," the Tetragrammaton, which is God's Name. Let me give you a "for instance":

Matthew 22:41-46 (KJV)

41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying,

"What think ye of Christ (the Messiah)? whose son is he?"

They say unto him,

"The Son of David."

43 He saith unto them,

"How then doth David IN SPIRIT call him 'Lord,' saying,

44 "'The LORD said unto my Lord, "Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?"'

45 "If David then call him 'Lord,' how is he his son?"

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

 

The Greek of verse 44 is this:

44 ‘Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου “Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου Ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου Ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;”’

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

The words, Κύριος and τῷ Κυρίῳ μου, "Kurios" and "too Kurioo mou," transliterated, and meaning "Lord" and "the Lord of-me," refer to both words found here:

Psalm 110:1 (KJV)

1 {A Psalm of David.}

The LORD said unto my Lord, "Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

The Hebrew of this verse is:

לְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמֹ֥ור נְאֻ֤ם יְהוָ֨ה ׀ לַֽאדֹנִ֗י שֵׁ֥ב לִֽימִינִ֑י עַד־אָשִׁ֥ית אֹ֝יְבֶ֗יךָ הֲדֹ֣ם לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ׃

The Hebrew transliterated is:

1 L-Daavid mizmowr

n'um YHWH | la'doniy sheeV liymiyniy `ad-'aashiyt 'oyVeykhaa hadom l-ragleykhaa:

The words "n'um YHWH la'doniy" mean "said YHWH to-my-Lord."

So, please note that BOTH words "YHWH" (God's NAME) and "'adoniy" (meaning "my-Sir," were translated by some translator into the Greek words "Kurios" and "Kurioo," the dative form of the word "Kurios." Therefore, the same Greek word "Kurios" was used to translate BOTH Hebrew words "YHWH" and "Adoniy."

To make sense of the account in Matthew 22:41-46, one should note that "sir" is closely akin to "sire." "Sir" is a term of respect, but "sire" means "father." Children in Jewish circles would call their fathers "adoniy," meaning "my-father." So, when David said, "YHWH said to my Sire, or to my-father,..." Yeshua` pointed that out to these Pharisees!

So, if the Messiah was the SON of David, why is it that David, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said that "YHWH said to my FATHER..." in this clearly Messianic passage of Scripture?

45 "If David then call him 'my FATHER,' how is he his SON?" That's what stumped them!

There IS another reason for using "my-Sire"; when one is speaking to his KING, the Father of his COUNTRY!

 

So, when one states "Yeshua` the Messiah is Lord," one could be saying that Yeshua` is YHWH God (which Yeshua` would have denied), OR one could be saying that Yeshua` is Israel's KING! Our MASTER! And THAT is the appropriate understanding.

[Retrobyter]

8 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?
 

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time On This Earth

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Shabbat shalom, t7t7.

There you go beating that dead horse, again.

It would be in your best interest to understand Psalm 2, a MESSIANIC Psalm:

Psalm 2:1-12 (KJV)

1 Why do the heathen (Hebrew: goyiym = "non-Israeli nations") rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us!"

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall LAUGH: the Lord shall have them in DERISION.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion! 7 I will declare the decree:

"'the LORD (YHWH) hath said unto me,

"'"Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel!"'

10 "Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth! 11 Serve the LORD (YHWH) with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little! Blessed are all they that put their trust in him!"

What's going on in this psalm? There's a U.N. meeting where the kings and leaders of this earth gather together to "take counsel together against YHWH and His Messiah (which means "Anointed")" and they say, "Let's break their chains off of us, and throw their ropes off of us!" Does it work? ABSOLUTELY NOT! All of a sudden, they hear this forboding LAUGHTER! And, the "Lord," God's Messiah, mocks them and ridicules them! Then, YHWH God SPEAKS, and He makes the speech that lasts from the 6th verse to the 12th verse!

Yeshua` will be a literal "KING of kings!" What do you think that means? It means just what it did for Artaxerxes and Nebuchadnezzar!

Ezra 7:11-12 (KJV)

11 Now this is the copy of the letter that the king Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the LORD, and of his statutes to Israel. 12 "Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time. ..."

Daniel 2:27-38 (KJV)

27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said,

"The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king; 28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these; 29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass. 30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.

31 "Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness wasexcellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible. 32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. 34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

36 "This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. 37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. ..."

These men were LITERALLY kings over other kings! They were EMPERORS! So shall the Messiah be! He shall likewise be a King over other kings - an EMPEROR!

So, tell me again why the Messiah of God, given the decree by YHWH GOD HIMSELF, won't reign over "the heathen for [His] inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for [His] possession!" Are you greater than God Himself?! Will YOU deny Him His possession?!

THINK ABOUT IT!

Edited January 29, 2022 by Retrobyter
to fix a couple of minor errors

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shabbat shalom, t7t7.

Why are you formulating such a list? You show a PARTIAL understanding of my beliefs, but you are WAY off.

1) First, when the "wicked" dies, he or she is no longer ABLE to answer for his wickedness. Furthermore, he or she has not yet stood trial to be judged for his sins. He must be able to GIVE AN ACCOUNT FOR EVERY IDLE WORD! The sentencing for a crime happens AFTER one has been shown guilty! He or she will stand trial AFTER the Resurrection of the unjust.

2) Right! I don't follow "traditional church creeds or confessions" because these are HUMAN attempts to FORCE people into a mold that are NOT following the Scriptures but are following a theological prescription.

You're right, because He never CLAIMED to be God! He, at best, said He was "the SON of God," "His FATHER!" He PRAYED to God! He did whatever God His Father instructed Him to do! He said it Himself:

John 5:16-23 (KJV)

16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17 But Jesus answered them,

"My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."

18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

[This was the JEWS' interpretation of what He said, not His own!]

19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them,

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he (God) doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. 21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them (brings them back to life); even so the Son quickeneth (brings back to life) whom he will. 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him."

Have you ever stopped to think about what Yeshua` was saying to the young man who came running up?

Matthew 19:16-17 (KJV)

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him,

"Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?"

17 And he said unto him,

"Why callest thou me 'good?' there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

This was recorded by the other Evangelists:

Mark 10:17-19 (KJV)

17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him,

"Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?"

18 And Jesus said unto him,

"Why callest thou me 'good?' there is none good but one, that is, God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother."

Luke 18:18-19 (KJV)

18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying,

"Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"

19 And Jesus said unto him,

"Why callest thou me 'good?' none is good, save one, that is, God. 20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother."

Was Yeshua` pretending? Was He lying? OR, was He telling him the TRUTH?!

4) OF COURSE, there will be 144,000 children of Israel, selected to be God's servants at His Temple! Who else would be qualified? Who else would know what to do?

My theology is NOTHING LIKE that of one of Jehovah's Witnesses! They believe in doing good works to be acceptable to God! THIS IS THE CRUCIAL EVIDENCE that I'm NOT a JW! I know that one can ONLY be acceptable to God when that person is JUSTIFIED by God, outside of the deeds of the Law!

 

Oh, and Yes, Yeshua` the Messiah ("Jesus the Christ") is the Lord; however, there's a funny thing about that word "Lord" which apparently you don't know or appreciate. The English word "Lord" is used to translate the Greek word, "kurios." The thing about "kurios" is that it was used to translate TWO DIFFERENT Hebrew words when quoting the Tanakh (the OT Scriptures): "Adoniy," meaning "my sir," and "YHWH," the Tetragrammaton, which is God's Name. Let me give you a "for instance":

Matthew 22:41-46 (KJV)

41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying,

"What think ye of Christ (the Messiah)? whose son is he?"

They say unto him,

"The Son of David."

43 He saith unto them,

"How then doth David IN SPIRIT call him 'Lord,' saying,

44 "'The LORD said unto my Lord, "Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?"'

45 "If David then call him 'Lord,' how is he his son?"

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

 

The Greek of verse 44 is this:

44 ‘Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου “Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου Ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου Ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;”’

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

The words, Κύριος and τῷ Κυρίῳ μου, "Kurios" and "too Kurioo mou," transliterated, and meaning "Lord" and "the Lord of-me," refer to both words found here:

Psalm 110:1 (KJV)

1 {A Psalm of David.}

The LORD said unto my Lord, "Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

The Hebrew of this verse is:

לְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמֹ֥ור נְאֻ֤ם יְהוָ֨ה ׀ לַֽאדֹנִ֗י שֵׁ֥ב לִֽימִינִ֑י עַד־אָשִׁ֥ית אֹ֝יְבֶ֗יךָ הֲדֹ֣ם לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ׃

The Hebrew transliterated is:

1 L-Daavid mizmowr

n'um YHWH | la'doniy sheeV liymiyniy `ad-'aashiyt 'oyVeykhaa hadom l-ragleykhaa:

The words "n'um YHWH la'doniy" mean "said YHWH to-my-Lord."

So, please note that BOTH words "YHWH" (God's NAME) and "'adoniy" (meaning "my-Sir," were translated by some translator into the Greek words "Kurios" and "Kurioo," the dative form of the word "Kurios." Therefore, the same Greek word "Kurios" was used to translate BOTH Hebrew words "YHWH" and "Adoniy."

To make sense of the account in Matthew 22:41-46, one should note that "sir" is closely akin to "sire." "Sir" is a term of respect, but "sire" means "father." Children in Jewish circles would call their fathers "adoniy," meaning "my-father." So, when David said, "YHWH said to my Sire, or to my-father,..." Yeshua` pointed that out to these Pharisees!

So, if the Messiah was the SON of David, why is it that David, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said that "YHWH said to my FATHER..." in this clearly Messianic passage of Scripture?

45 "If David then call him 'my FATHER,' how is he his SON?" That's what stumped them!

There IS another reason for using "my-Sire"; when one is speaking to his KING, the Father of his COUNTRY!

 

So, when one states "Yeshua` the Messiah is Lord," one could be saying that Yeshua` is YHWH God (which Yeshua` would have denied), OR one could be saying that Yeshua` is Israel's KING! Our MASTER! And THAT is the appropriate understanding.

Your theology/eschatology is that of A Jehovah's Witness plain and simple, no need to repost your rebuttal, I fully read this and I disagree

The watchtower and tract society's teachings seen below, have been around long before we were born, nothing new

As It Stands:

1.) You dont believe in "Hell" upon the wickeds death

2.) You dont believe in the trinity as the traditional church creeds/confessions teach

3.) You dont believe Jesus Christ is God

4.) You believe 144,000 will be selected servants at Gods throne/temple

It appears that the watchtower and tract society has had great influence in their missionary work

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

Edited January 29, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shabbat shalom, t7t7.

There you go beating that dead horse, again.

It would be in your best interest to understand Psalm 2, a MESSIANIC Psalm:

Psalm 2:1-12 (KJV)

1 Why do the heathen (Hebrew: goyiym = "non-Israeli nations") rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us!"

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall LAUGH: the Lord shall have them in DERISION.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion! 7 I will declare the decree:

"'the LORD (YHWH) hath said unto me,

"'"Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel!"'

10 "Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth! 11 Serve the LORD (YHWH) with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little! Blessed are all they that put their trust in him!"

What's going on in this psalm? There's a U.N. meeting where the kings and leaders of this earth gather together to "take counsel together against YHWH and His Messiah (which means "Anointed")" and they say, "Let's break their chains off of us, and throw their ropes off of us!" Does it work? ABSOLUTELY NOT! All of a sudden, they hear this forboding LAUGHTER! And, the "Lord," God's Messiah, mocks them and ridicules them! Then, YHWH God SPEAKS, and He makes the speech that lasts from the 6th verse to the 12th verse!

Yeshua` will be a literal "KING of kings!" What do you think that means? It means just what it did for Artaxerxes and Nebuchadnezzar!

Ezra 7:11-12 (KJV)

11 Now this is the copy of the letter that the king Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the LORD, and of his statutes to Israel. 12 "Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time. ..."

Daniel 2:27-38 (KJV)

27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said,

"The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king; 28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these; 29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass. 30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.

31 "Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness wasexcellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible. 32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. 34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

36 "This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. 37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. ..."

These men were LITERALLY kings over other kings! They were EMPERORS! So shall the Messiah be! He shall likewise be a King over other kings - an EMPEROR!

So, tell me again why the Messiah of God, given the decree by YHWH GOD HIMSELF, won't reign over "the heathen for [His] inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for [His] possession!" Are you greater than God Himself?! Will YOU deny Him His possession?!

THINK ABOUT IT!

A long response, and not one mention of my claim of Revelation 20:1-6

One thing I know, a literal Kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present isn't seen in Revelation 20:1-6

Edited January 29, 2022 by truth7t7

[Retrobyter]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

A long response, and not one mention of my claim of Revelation 20:1-6

One thing I know, a literal Kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present isn't seen in Revelation 20:1-6

There's a HUGE difference between one who is born blind and one who simply refuses to take off the blinders.

Look, David told us, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God, that the Messiah would reign over kings who would try to throw off His Kingship! Where do you suppose that fits in within the book of Revelation? It won't be Revelation 21 and 22. That's AFTER sin and its consequences have been dealt with!

Edited January 29, 2022 by Retrobyter