Did The 70AD Destruction Of The Temple In Jerusalem, Fulfill Matthew 24:2?

[truth7t7]

20 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 Usually it seems when one has such a definite stance on something,  it comes from something else that is dependent on that being the only TRUTH.  I don't like any doctrine that REQUIRES the elimination of another angle that does not in anyway contradict EVEN if it becomes an escape avenue for a doctrine to follow.  

I pray we both continue to grow and mature and we both receive  both the former and latter rain soon...May God Bless...d

Your "assumption" is wrong, my stance is based upon Gods words of truth, and that alone

70AD played no role in fulfillment of Matthew 24:2, the temple destruction was symbolic as clearly explained,  and this doesn't have dual fulfillment 

The generation seen in Matthew 24 is a future generation that will be eyewitnesses of the future signs to be seen, and the coming of the Lord, this didn't take place in 70AD as many claim 

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord 

"This Generation" represents a future generation that will be eyewitnesses of the signs and the Lords return

1. What is near even at the doors?

2. What is the day and hour no man knows?

"The Lords Return", a future event unfulfilled

Matthew 24:32-36KJV

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Edited February 7, 2022 by truth7t7

[DeighAnn]

Jerusalem Jerusalem killing the prophets and stoning those having been sent to her!  How often would I have gathered together the children of you in which way a hen gathers together the chicks of her under the wings and not you were willing!

Behold is left to you the house of you desolate!

I say for to you no not Me shall you see from now until you say Blessed the [One] coming in name of Lord

And having gone forth Jesus from the temple  He was going away and came to the disciples of Him to point out to Him the buildings of the temple

And answering He said to them Not do you see these things all?  Truly I say to you none not even shall be left here stone upon stone which not will be thrown down

the very next verse starts 20 minutes later and in a completely different place where CAME TO HIM THE DISCIPLES IN PRIVATE SAYING

IN JOHN HE IS TALKING TO THE JEWS

Answered therefore the Jews and said to Him WHAT sign show You to US, that these things You do?

Answered Jesus and said TO THEM Destroy the temple this and in three days I will raise up it.

Said therefore the Jews, Fourty and six years was built the temple this and You in three days will raise up it?  
 

[Omegaman 3.0]

37 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Your "assumption" is wrong, my stance is based upon Gods words of truth, and that alone

70AD played no role in fulfillment of Matthew 24:2, the temple destruction was symbolic as clearly explained,  and this doesn't have dual fulfillment 

That seems pretty arrogant! It is not possible for YOUR assumption to be wrong? It is you who has taken the liberty of crossbreeding two different subjects, with two different focuses. You keep saying "clearly". Saying clearly does not make your interpretation correct. "Clearly" Jesus was talking about a literal, stone temple:

1Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”

So, are you saying instead, that Jesus left His body? When He says "here" you think he means at Golgotha, not the temple site? The stones of His body will be thrown down? They pointed out the buildings, and Jesus said "these things". Jesus' body is not plural things.

You might be right about one thing, there is no dual fulfilment, there is only one temple, a building, in Matt 24:2!

[truth7t7]

53 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Yes. 

 

 Truth is correct in saying the temple of stone is "gone" but his exegesis is incorrect. God was never "in" the temple. That was a Jewish view, and a surrounding pagan view, one that is explicitly corrected in the New Testament's declaration God does not dwell in houses made by human hands. There is no "now" inserted in the middle of those verses. Those statements were just as true during the time of the tabernacles as they were in Solomon's temple, and just as true in the gospel era. The only temple God ever inhabited was that of His children and He did that in diverse ways throughout history as told in the Bible. The Spirit of God was in the prophets, but it was not in the prophets in the same manner occurring "in" and at work "in" the apostles when they went out to preach, heal, and deliver but that is not the same indwelling as that they experienced in either regeneration or Pentecost. 

God dwells in the temple of flesh and bone made in God's image when it lives by faith. It is those who live by the promise, not works, in whom God dwells. 

The torn temle curtain is symbolic of the dividing "wall" between God and humans. The separation is sin. Jesus defeated sin. He entered the holiest of holy places (God's presence) with his own life on the line, not a mediating sacrifice of animal blood that could NEVER take away sin. He did that once and for ALL. Not only was the curtain torn but there is now no longer any need whatsoever for a curtain. There was never a need for a temple of stone. God never dwelt in such things. There was, though, a dividing separation through which only one could enter and it was prophesied he'd be that guy long before the curtain, the division, ever existed. 

It was the tree of life that existed prior to Genesis 3:6. 

It has always existed. 

The temple of stone was always an idol; a symbol of the rampant and recurring idolatry of a faithless people who'd been given everything they needed to live a life with their Covenant Maker but continually cr@pped on Him and His loving efforts. 

God did what He'd always already planned to do: tear it down and build it anew. Which is exactly what he has done in Christ and his body. He and we are the temple of God. God does not dwell in houses built by human hands. He dwells in the house He built. 

 

Quote Truth7t7 Corrected For Clarification: "His Interest In"

When Jesus Christ died, the veil in the temple was torn, God vacated "His Interest In" the temple, its was "Gone" not one stone upon another

We disagree

Your assumption that I claimed God himself dwelled in the Jerusalem temple is not my intent or suggestion, When the veil in the temple was rent, Gods interest in the temple in Jerusalem was (Gone) as Jesus Christ became the high priest in mediation

Edited February 7, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

55 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Yes. 

 

 Truth is correct in saying the temple of stone is "gone" but his exegesis is incorrect. God was never "in" the temple. That was a Jewish view, and a surrounding pagan view, one that is explicitly corrected in the New Testament's declaration God does not dwell in houses made by human hands. There is no "now" inserted in the middle of those verses. Those statements were just as true during the time of the tabernacles as they were in Solomon's temple, and just as true in the gospel era. The only temple God ever inhabited was that of His children and He did that in diverse ways throughout history as told in the Bible. The Spirit of God was in the prophets, but it was not in the prophets in the same manner occurring "in" and at work "in" the apostles when they went out to preach, heal, and deliver but that is not the same indwelling as that they experienced in either regeneration or Pentecost. 

God dwells in the temple of flesh and bone made in God's image when it lives by faith. It is those who live by the promise, not works, in whom God dwells. 

The torn temle curtain is symbolic of the dividing "wall" between God and humans. The separation is sin. Jesus defeated sin. He entered the holiest of holy places (God's presence) with his own life on the line, not a mediating sacrifice of animal blood that could NEVER take away sin. He did that once and for ALL. Not only was the curtain torn but there is now no longer any need whatsoever for a curtain. There was never a need for a temple of stone. God never dwelt in such things. There was, though, a dividing separation through which only one could enter and it was prophesied he'd be that guy long before the curtain, the division, ever existed. 

It was the tree of life that existed prior to Genesis 3:6. 

It has always existed. 

The temple of stone was always an idol; a symbol of the rampant and recurring idolatry of a faithless people who'd been given everything they needed to live a life with their Covenant Maker but continually cr@pped on Him and His loving efforts. 

God did what He'd always already planned to do: tear it down and build it anew. Which is exactly what he has done in Christ and his body. He and we are the temple of God. God does not dwell in houses built by human hands. He dwells in the house He built. 

 

A lengthy response in critique, but no rebuttal to the claim the 70AD destruction of the temple wasn't fulfillment of Matthew 24:2?

How do you explain John's account of the temple visit as being a "Symbolic" destruction and not literal, clearly explained by John?

Edited February 7, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

49 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

That seems pretty arrogant! It is not possible for YOUR assumption to be wrong? It is you who has taken the liberty of crossbreeding two different subjects, with two different focuses. You keep saying "clearly". Saying clearly does not make your interpretation correct. "Clearly" Jesus was talking about a literal, stone temple:

1Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”

So, are you saying instead, that Jesus left His body? When He says "here" you think he means at Golgotha, not the temple site? The stones of His body will be thrown down? They pointed out the buildings, and Jesus said "these things". Jesus' body is not plural things.

You might be right about one thing, there is no dual fulfilment, there is only one temple, a building, in Matt 24:2!

If you assume I have pink hair, and my hair is brown, your assumption is wrong

Pretty simple! 

Jesus Is The Lord

Edited February 7, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Jerusalem Jerusalem killing the prophets and stoning those having been sent to her!  How often would I have gathered together the children of you in which way a hen gathers together the chicks of her under the wings and not you were willing!

Behold is left to you the house of you desolate!

I say for to you no not Me shall you see from now until you say Blessed the [One] coming in name of Lord

And having gone forth Jesus from the temple  He was going away and came to the disciples of Him to point out to Him the buildings of the temple

And answering He said to them Not do you see these things all?  Truly I say to you none not even shall be left here stone upon stone which not will be thrown down

the very next verse starts 20 minutes later and in a completely different place where CAME TO HIM THE DISCIPLES IN PRIVATE SAYING

IN JOHN HE IS TALKING TO THE JEWS

Answered therefore the Jews and said to Him WHAT sign show You to US, that these things You do?

Answered Jesus and said TO THEM Destroy the temple this and in three days I will raise up it.

Said therefore the Jews, Fourty and six years was built the temple this and You in three days will raise up it?  
 

John's account shows Jesus Christ  stating "Destroy This Temple"

The Pharisees referenced a "Literal" Temple in Jerusalem 46 years in building 

John clealry states Jesus wasn't speaking of a "Literal" temple in Jerusalem, but a "Symbolic" temple in his body, its that simple and very easy to understand 

Yes John's account interprets and answers Matthew 24:2, Mark 13:2 ,We Disagree

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Edited February 7, 2022 by truth7t7

[Omegaman 3.0]

13 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

If you assume I have pink hair, and my hair is brown, your assumption is wrong

OK  You might be surprised to learn how often I use that exact same example.  And yeah, I did assume you had pink hair, my bad!

[AdHoc]

18 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

It's your opinion, and it's my opinion your wrong

John clearly stated it was the "Temple Of The Lords Body"

You ducked by objection and introduced a non-related scripture.

But I will answer;

In Matthew our Lord Jesus answered concerning "buildings and stones" - and it came to pass literally AT THE HANDS OF ROME. John 2:19 implies that "the Jews" would destroy His Body - not the Romans.

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, YE (MEN OF ISRAEL) have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Next, the "buildings and stones" of Matthew 24 were NOT raised up after 3 days! In John 2 our Lord's BODY was raised up after 3 days. You again make our Lord utter an untruth!

Then, to compound the matter, you ignore that our Lord Jesus was asked for a "SIGN" in John 2. He gave one - NOT the Temple buildings of stones, but His BODY. The Temple continued 40 years after His body was "destroyed". In Matthew 24 our Lord was prophesying. In John 2 He was giving a "Sign" so that they would believe (Jn.20:30)

 30 And many other SIGNS truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

If we arbitrarily allegorize scripture mischief always follows.

[truth7t7]

19 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Next, the "buildings and stones" of Matthew 24 were NOT raised up after 3 days! In John 2 our Lord's BODY was raised up after 3 days. You again make our Lord utter an untruth!

Then, to compound the matter, you ignore that our Lord Jesus was asked for a "SIGN" in John 2. He gave one - NOT the Temple buildings of stones, but His BODY. The Temple continued 40 years after His body was "destroyed". In Matthew 24 our Lord was prophesying. In John 2 He was giving a "Sign" so that they would believe (Jn.20:30)

 30 And many other SIGNS truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

If we arbitrarily allegorize scripture mischief always follows.

It's your opinion that I make Jesus utter "Untruth" and that opinion is false 

My claim was Jesus used the words "Destroy This Temple" as the pharisees responded referencing a "Literal" temple 46 years in building, as John stated a "Symbolic" interpretation of this temple in the Lords body 

Quote Truth7t7:

John's account shows Jesus Christ  stating "Destroy This Temple"

The Pharisees referenced a "Literal" Temple in Jerusalem 46 years in building 

John clealry states Jesus wasn't speaking of a "Literal" temple in Jerusalem, but a "Symbolic" temple in his body, its that simple and very easy to understand 

Edited February 8, 2022 by truth7t7