Where is the Lord`s Own Throne?

[Spiros]

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Deuteronomy 17:18
HEB: כְשִׁבְתּ֔וֹ עַ֖ל כִּסֵּ֣א מַמְלַכְתּ֑וֹ וְכָ֨תַב
KJV: And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom,

2 Samuel 3:10
HEB: וּלְהָקִ֞ים אֶת־ כִּסֵּ֣א דָוִ֗ד עַל־
KJV: and to set up the throne of David

2 Samuel 7:13
HEB: וְכֹנַנְתִּ֛י אֶת־ כִּסֵּ֥א מַמְלַכְתּ֖וֹ עַד־
KJV: and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom

1 Kings 1:20
HEB: יֵשֵׁ֛ב עַל־ כִּסֵּ֥א אֲדֹנִֽי־ הַמֶּ֖לֶךְ
KJV: them who shall sit on the throne of my lord

1 Kings 1:27
HEB: יֵשֵׁ֛ב עַל־ כִּסֵּ֥א אֲדֹנִֽי־ הַמֶּ֖לֶךְ
KJV: who should sit on the throne of my lord

1 Kings 1:46
HEB: שְׁלֹמֹ֔ה עַ֖ל כִּסֵּ֥א הַמְּלוּכָֽה׃
KJV: sitteth on the throne of the kingdom.

1 Kings 2:4
HEB: אִ֔ישׁ מֵעַ֖ל כִּסֵּ֥א יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃
KJV: he) a man on the throne of Israel.

1 Kings 2:12
HEB: יָשַׁ֕ב עַל־ כִּסֵּ֖א דָּוִ֣ד אָבִ֑יו
KJV: Solomon upon the throne of David

1 Kings 2:19
HEB: כִּסְא֔וֹ וַיָּ֤שֶׂם כִּסֵּא֙ לְאֵ֣ם הַמֶּ֔לֶךְ
KJV: on his throne, and caused a seat to be set

1 Kings 2:24
HEB: ק) עַל־ כִּסֵּא֙ דָּוִ֣ד אָבִ֔י
KJV: me, and set me on the throne of David

1 Kings 8:20
HEB: וָאֵשֵׁ֣ב עַל־ כִּסֵּ֣א יִשְׂרָאֵ֗ל כַּֽאֲשֶׁר֙
KJV: and sit on the throne of Israel,

1 Kings 8:25
HEB: יֹשֵׁ֖ב עַל־ כִּסֵּ֣א יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל רַ֠ק
KJV: to sit on the throne of Israel;

1 Kings 9:5
HEB: וַהֲקִ֨מֹתִ֜י אֶת־ כִּסֵּ֧א מַֽמְלַכְתְּךָ֛ עַל־
KJV: Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom

1 Kings 9:5
HEB: אִ֔ישׁ מֵעַ֖ל כִּסֵּ֥א יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃
KJV: thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

1 Kings 10:9
HEB: לְתִתְּךָ֖ עַל־ כִּסֵּ֣א יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל בְּאַהֲבַ֨ת
KJV: in thee, to set thee on the throne of Israel:

1 Kings 10:18
HEB: וַיַּ֧עַשׂ הַמֶּ֛לֶךְ כִּסֵּא־ שֵׁ֖ן גָּד֑וֹל
KJV: a great throne of ivory,

2 Kings 10:3
HEB: וְשַׂמְתֶּ֖ם עַל־ כִּסֵּ֣א אָבִ֑יו וְהִֽלָּחֲמ֖וּ
KJV: [him] on his father's throne, and fight

2 Kings 10:30
HEB: לְךָ֖ עַל־ כִּסֵּ֥א יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃
KJV: [generation] shall sit on the throne of Israel.

2 Kings 11:19
HEB: וַיֵּ֖שֶׁב עַל־ כִּסֵּ֥א הַמְּלָכִֽים׃
KJV: And he sat on the throne of the kings.

2 Kings 15:12
HEB: לְךָ֖ עַל־ כִּסֵּ֣א יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל וַֽיְהִי־
KJV: shall sit on the throne of Israel

2 Kings 25:28
HEB: כִּסְא֔וֹ מֵעַ֗ל כִּסֵּ֧א הַמְּלָכִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר
KJV: his throne above the throne of the kings

1 Chronicles 22:10
HEB: לְאָ֑ב וַהֲכִ֨ינוֹתִ֜י כִּסֵּ֧א מַלְכוּת֛וֹ עַל־
KJV: and I will establish the throne of his kingdom

1 Chronicles 28:5
HEB: לָשֶׁ֗בֶת עַל־ כִּסֵּ֛א מַלְכ֥וּת יְהוָ֖ה
KJV: to sit upon the throne of the kingdom

1 Chronicles 29:23
HEB: שְׁ֠לֹמֹה עַל־ כִּסֵּ֨א יְהוָ֧ה ׀ לְמֶ֛לֶךְ
KJV: sat on the throne of the LORD

2 Chronicles 6:10
HEB: וָאֵשֵׁ֣ב ׀ עַל־ כִּסֵּ֣א יִשְׂרָאֵ֗ל כַּאֲשֶׁר֙
KJV: and am set on the throne of Israel,

2 Chronicles 6:16
HEB: יוֹשֵׁ֖ב עַל־ כִּסֵּ֣א יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל רַ֠ק
KJV: to sit upon the throne of Israel;

2 Chronicles 7:18
HEB: וַהֲקִ֣ימוֹתִ֔י אֵ֖ת כִּסֵּ֣א מַלְכוּתֶ֑ךָ כַּאֲשֶׁ֣ר
KJV: Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom,

2 Chronicles 9:17
HEB: וַיַּ֧עַשׂ הַמֶּ֛לֶךְ כִּסֵּא־ שֵׁ֖ן גָּד֑וֹל
KJV: a great throne of ivory,

2 Chronicles 23:20
HEB: הַמֶּ֔לֶךְ עַ֖ל כִּסֵּ֥א הַמַּמְלָכָֽה׃
KJV: the king upon the throne of the kingdom.

Esther 1:2
HEB: אֲחַשְׁוֵר֗וֹשׁ עַ֚ל כִּסֵּ֣א מַלְכוּת֔וֹ אֲשֶׁ֖ר
KJV: sat on the throne of his kingdom,

Esther 5:1
HEB: יוֹשֵׁ֞ב עַל־ כִּסֵּ֤א מַלְכוּתוֹ֙ בְּבֵ֣ית
KJV: upon his royal throne in the royal

Psalm 47:8
HEB: יָשַׁ֤ב ׀ עַל־ כִּסֵּ֬א קָדְשֽׁוֹ׃
KJV: sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.

Psalm 94:20
HEB: הַֽ֭יְחָבְרְךָ כִּסֵּ֣א הַוּ֑וֹת יֹצֵ֖ר
KJV: Shall the throne of iniquity

Proverbs 9:14
HEB: בֵּיתָ֑הּ עַל־ כִּ֝סֵּ֗א מְרֹ֣מֵי קָֽרֶת׃
KJV: of her house, on a seat in the high places

Proverbs 16:12
HEB: בִ֝צְדָקָ֗ה יִכּ֥וֹן כִּסֵּֽא׃
KJV: wickedness: for the throne is established

Proverbs 20:8
HEB: יוֹשֵׁ֥ב עַל־ כִּסֵּא־ דִ֑ין מְזָרֶ֖ה
KJV: that sitteth in the throne of judgment

Isaiah 6:1
HEB: יֹשֵׁ֥ב עַל־ כִּסֵּ֖א רָ֣ם וְנִשָּׂ֑א
KJV: sitting upon a throne, high

Isaiah 9:7
HEB: קֵ֗ץ עַל־ כִּסֵּ֤א דָוִד֙ וְעַל־
KJV: [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David,

Isaiah 16:5
HEB: וְהוּכַ֤ן בַּחֶ֙סֶד֙ כִּסֵּ֔א וְיָשַׁ֥ב עָלָ֛יו
KJV: And in mercy shall the throne be established:

Isaiah 47:1
HEB: לָאָ֥רֶץ אֵין־ כִּסֵּ֖א בַּת־ כַּשְׂדִּ֑ים
KJV: on the ground: [there is] no throne, O daughter

Jeremiah 3:17
HEB: יִקְרְא֤וּ לִירוּשָׁלִַ֙ם֙ כִּסֵּ֣א יְהוָ֔ה וְנִקְוּ֨וּ
KJV: Jerusalem the throne of the LORD;

Jeremiah 14:21
HEB: אַל־ תְּנַבֵּ֖ל כִּסֵּ֣א כְבוֹדֶ֑ךָ זְכֹ֕ר
KJV: sake, do not disgrace the throne of thy glory:

Jeremiah 17:12
HEB: כִּסֵּ֣א כָב֔וֹד מָר֖וֹם
KJV: high throne from the beginning

Jeremiah 17:25
HEB: יֹשְׁבִים֩ עַל־ כִּסֵּ֨א דָוִ֜ד רֹכְבִ֣ים ׀
KJV: sitting upon the throne of David,

Jeremiah 22:2
HEB: הַיֹּשֵׁ֖ב עַל־ כִּסֵּ֣א דָוִ֑ד אַתָּ֤ה
KJV: that sittest upon the throne of David,

Jeremiah 22:30
HEB: יֹשֵׁב֙ עַל־ כִּסֵּ֣א דָוִ֔ד וּמֹשֵׁ֥ל
KJV: sitting upon the throne of David,

Jeremiah 29:16
HEB: הַיּוֹשֵׁב֙ אֶל־ כִּסֵּ֣א דָוִ֔ד וְאֶל־
KJV: that sitteth upon the throne of David,

Jeremiah 33:17
HEB: יֹשֵׁ֖ב עַל־ כִּסֵּ֥א בֵֽית־ יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃
KJV: to sit upon the throne of the house

Jeremiah 36:30
HEB: יוֹשֵׁ֖ב עַל־ כִּסֵּ֣א דָוִ֑ד וְנִבְלָתוֹ֙
KJV: He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David:

Ezekiel 1:26
HEB: סַפִּ֖יר דְּמ֣וּת כִּסֵּ֑א וְעַל֙ דְּמ֣וּת
KJV: [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance

Ezekiel 10:1
HEB: כְּמַרְאֵ֖ה דְּמ֣וּת כִּסֵּ֑א נִרְאָ֖ה עֲלֵיהֶֽם׃
KJV: of the likeness of a throne.

Haggai 2:22
HEB: וְהָֽפַכְתִּי֙ כִּסֵּ֣א מַמְלָכ֔וֹת וְהִ֨שְׁמַדְתִּ֔י
KJV: And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms,
 

We notice the throne used with words like Adonai(Lord), Jehovah, Jerusalem, king, kingdom, David, Isarel, etc. We also find the phrase “father’s throne”.

We note that “on”:

עַל־ = 70+30 = 100

“father's throne”:

כִּסֵּ֣א אָבִ֑יו = (1+2+10+6)+(20+60+1) = 19+81 = 100

 

Is this trying to tell us something? 10 raised to the second power: 10 x 100 = 100.

 

In Hellenic “New Earth” as “kaine ge” is:

 

ΚΑΙΝΗ ΓΗ = (20+1+10+50+8)+(3+8) =89 +  11 = 100

 

We also have the 12 Apostles times 1000 (10x10x10) equals 12,000 furlongs of New Jerusalem.

So where is the throne of God? It is encoded in the Hebrew name for throne. One phrase that does not show up at all in the Old Testament is the phrase “throne of God”. We have “the Lord’s throne” and “Jehovah’s throne” we do not see “El kis•sê” anywhere. Gematria wise it would be interesting to see:

אל כּסא
 

Edited February 16, 2022 by Spiros

[Spiros]

The throne of Zeus, throne of God, throne+God. I don't know Hebrew but does the phrase below which is equal to "the throne of Zeus" mean "Elohim's throne at Jerusalem"?

 

ΘΡΟΝΟΣ ΔΙΟΣ = ΘΡΟΝΟ ΘΕΟΥ = ΘΡΟΝΟΣ+ΘΕΟΣ = לִירוּשָׁלִַ֙ם֙ כִּסֵּ֣א אֱלֹהִים

[Marilyn C]

8 hours ago, AdHoc said:

If you take New Jerusalem as a literal City, you have the following:

1. It comes DOWN - thus it must leave the highest heaven and God's throne
2. It comes FROM God but it still rules
3. It is a Woman
4. It is a Wife
5. It is a Mother
6. It is the tabernacle of God with men
7. God is the tabernacle so He too has left His throne
8. It is 2220 km cube
9. It is made of precious stones
10. Nations are outside of it but can visit it
11. It has a Wall but no threat
12. It has Gates but they are open, but some of the nations still cannot enter
13. It being 2220 km high, men cannot breath after about 5 km, and blood boils at 19.3 km That is, about 2,220 X 2,220 X 2200 KM, or 99.1%  of the cube is uninhabitable
14. Its light lightens the earth - how? The earth is a sphere,

.... and we could go on with more difficulties to your appreciation. But let us leave it off from here. If you want to be sure I'm wrong, why not go through the thread again and see if you satisfactorily answered my objections with plain scripture. Or see if you used scripture that had no plain language on this matter, but that needed extrapolation.

Whatever you decide, God bless

I also don`t think the description of the new Jerusalem is literal.

To reveal Christ to us in Revelation, there are three hundred & thirty references to the figures, shadows, symbols, types, patterns, persons, & buildings of the Old Testament.

So let`s look at some of the detail -

The Precious Stones - Christ`s Rulership.  

The foundations of the walls are adorned with all kinds of precious stones. These were on the priest`s breastplate and represent Christ`s rulership. (Ex. 28: 15 – 21)

       Judgment – Heb. `mishpat,` meaning judgment, divine law, rulership. 

       `And the foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the 1st  foundation was the jasper, the 2nd  sapphire, the 3rd  chalcedony, the 4th  emerald, the 5th  sardonyx, the 6th  sardius, the 7th  chrysolite, the 8th  beryl, the 9th  topaz, the 10th  chrysoprase, the 11th  jacinth, & the 12th  amethyst.`   (Rev. 21: 19 & 20)

 

Christ the Conqueror.

1.  Jasper – Naphtali - `Conqueror.`                         

2.  Sapphire – Simeon – `voice of God.`                 

3.  Chalcedony – Zebulon - `dwelling.`                                                                          

Christ the conqueror, is the voice of God dwelling with His people.

 

Christ the KingPriest.                                                                                     

4.  Emerald – Reuben -  `first born, Heir.`              

5.  Sardonyx – Asher - `blessing, Priest.`               

6.  Sardius – Judah - `King, ruler.`

Christ the first born and heir rules as KingPriest giving spiritual blessings. 

 

Christ the Judge.

7.  Chrysolite – Gad - `administers judgments with justice.`        

8.  Beryl – Dan. - `Judge.`

9.  Topaz – Issachar - `wisdom.`

Christ the wise Judge who administers judgments with justice.

 

Christ at the Father`s Right Hand.

10. Chrysoprase – Manassah –`forgiveness` 

11. Jacinth – Ephraim  - `doubly fruitful.`

12. Amethyst – Benjamin - `At the right hand of the Father.`     

Christ at the Father`s right hand gives forgiveness & blessing.

 

                (The Stones – Ex: 28: 17 – 21,     The Tribes – Num. 10: 14 – 27, 

                             The Meanings – Gen. 29: 32, 30: 1 – 24,   35: 18)

[Marilyn C]

7 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I like your analogy, and might even support it. But I think you should have posted scripture for your summation. Try this.

In Genesis 1 and 6 the earth is covered with water. It was a sign of God's judgment. The whole earth was subject to an unimaginable horror. This terror is recorded and man, when he sees the clouds gather and big drops of water start cascading out of a darkened heaven, he is traumatized ... UNLESS ... God has given him a comforting guarantee that He will not causes a billion floating, bloating decomposing corpses to litter the receding water. Man can rest because of the rainbow, but he is in another danger zone - a lake of Fire.

And TWICE since the floods is the anger of God provoked beyond measure. Once at Elijah's time when a Foreign woman provokes God with idol worship, and once at Elijah's time at the end of the age and the "day of the Lord". Israel has no rain for three and one half years the time that fire comes from heaven and 450 false prophets are killed by Elijah, and the world, having embraced a Gentile Woman, Mystery Babylon the Whore, descends into idolatry while Elijah again calls fire from heaven (Rev.11).

And BOTH these terrible provocations are surpassed by another two events. In Ezekiel God must vacate HIS HOUSE in Jerusalem because a "Beast" is coming, and in Revelation a Beast occupies the House of God again (2nd Thess.2). Now, what is to stop God annihilating the earth and all that is in it? The provocation is acute. What guarantee has  the creature have that it will survive God's wrath?

THE FOUR LIVING CREATURES is the guarantee.

When God made the living creatures He mad SIX of them; (i) the fish of the sea, (ii) the serpent or creeping things, (iii) the wild beasts ruled by the lion, (iv) the domestic beasts for man's service headed by the ox, (v) the birds that fly and which are headed by the eagle, and (vi) Man ... who was to head all things.

And when we read of the consummation of things in New Heaven and New Earth, what do we find? we find that ONLY FOUR are RECOVERED. The sea, a symbol of death, and a symbol of the military might of the nations, IS NO MORE. And so the fish have no future. But we are compelled to notice that for the serpent, or creeping things, there is also no recovery. The curse of death (the sea) is over and the curse of the serpent is "above all cattle" - forever (Gen.3).

OF THE LIVING CREATURES, THE FOUR REPRESENTED BY THEIR KINGS, ARE RECOVERED - the Man first, birds second, domestic beasts third and wild beats last. These four living creatures appear only when man is in danger of annihilation.

Your analogy is good. Christ is Chief MAN of all men. He is Chief of the heavens - an eagle. He is Chief of Bond-slaves - the mighty ox, and He is Chief of Kings - a lion. In His capacity as Chiefest of all, He does God's will and brings Him glory.

Matthew show Jesus first as King - but descendant of MAN (Abraham and David). Mark, shows no genealogy for the Servant's heritage does not count. Luke is a doctor and shows the Man Jesus - descendant of Adam. And John's genealogy is the pee-existing One Who has no beginning - the One who soars above the heavens - an Eagle.

Very good explanation and detail there. So scriptures -

OVERVIEW: The Four Visions.                 

The predominant aim of Revelation is the setting forth the splendours of the Son of Man, & to reveal His glorious person.  There are four visions of the Son of Man as He is known in the heavenly realm & each vision in turn carries through to completion one aspect of the fourfold ministry of Christ which He exercised when on earth. His Kinship was expressed in Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke, & His Judgeship in John.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Vision 1.    CHRIST -  Head of the Body.   (Rev. 1 – 3)

This reveals the empowered Son of Man as the Sovereign Administrator.

                              `in His right hand He held 7 stars.`

 

Vision 2.   CHRIST -   HEIR     (Rev. 4 – 7)

This reveals the enthroned Son of Man as the Supreme Executor.

                         `in His right hand He held the 7 sealed book.`

 

Vision 3.    CHRIST -  MEDIATOR       (Rev. 8 – 13)

This reveals the exalted Son of Man as the Stately Mediator.

                        `in His hand is a sacred censor.`

 

Vision 4.    CHRIST -  JUDGE       (Rev. 14 – 22)

This reveals the entitled Son of Man as the Sublime Adjudicator.

                                         `in His hand is a sharp sickle.`

 

To reveal Christ to us in Revelation, there are three hundred & thirty references to the figures, shadows, symbols, types, patterns, persons, & buildings of the Old Testament.

 This unveiling is the culmination of all the truths expressed from Genesis to Revelation, for all scripture is centered on one purpose and that is to reveal Christ to us in all His Glory.

 

[AdHoc]

15 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Very good explanation and detail there. So scriptures -

OVERVIEW: The Four Visions.                 

The predominant aim of Revelation is the setting forth the splendours of the Son of Man, & to reveal His glorious person.  There are four visions of the Son of Man as He is known in the heavenly realm & each vision in turn carries through to completion one aspect of the fourfold ministry of Christ which He exercised when on earth. His Kinship was expressed in Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke, & His Judgeship in John.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Vision 1.    CHRIST -  Head of the Body.   (Rev. 1 – 3)

This reveals the empowered Son of Man as the Sovereign Administrator.

                              `in His right hand He held 7 stars.`

 

Vision 2.   CHRIST -   HEIR     (Rev. 4 – 7)

This reveals the enthroned Son of Man as the Supreme Executor.

                         `in His right hand He held the 7 sealed book.`

 

Vision 3.    CHRIST -  MEDIATOR       (Rev. 8 – 13)

This reveals the exalted Son of Man as the Stately Mediator.

                        `in His hand is a sacred censor.`

 

Vision 4.    CHRIST -  JUDGE       (Rev. 14 – 22)

This reveals the entitled Son of Man as the Sublime Adjudicator.

                                         `in His hand is a sharp sickle.`

 

To reveal Christ to us in Revelation, there are three hundred & thirty references to the figures, shadows, symbols, types, patterns, persons, & buildings of the Old Testament.

 This unveiling is the culmination of all the truths expressed from Genesis to Revelation, for all scripture is centered on one purpose and that is to reveal Christ to us in all His Glory.

 

Well ... we had a most interesting exchange. It's been a pleasure. I think we've both learned  from it.

All I can add, and you probably know it, is that the High Priest of Israel carried the twelve as onyx on the shoulders, and as precious stones on the breastplate. Shoulders denote strength and although the breastplate was called "judgment", it is close to the heart. Our Lord Jesus, typified by the High Priest, carries us weaker ones in strength and love to the mercy seat.

What a Savior!

[Marilyn C]

Thank you Ad Hoc,

I have so appreciated our discussions, even though some details we don`t see the same ....yet. I see that you love God`s word (and Him) and have studied it in quite detail over the years.

May God continue to bless you and yours,

regards, Marilyn,

[Spiros]

On 2/10/2022 at 6:09 PM, Marilyn C said:

Where is the Lord`s Own Throne?

We know from God`s word that the Lord has a throne on the earth, in the New Jerusalem and also in the highest realm. The word `throne,` indicates authority. So where is the Lord`s own Throne, His seat of Power and authority?

I believe God`s word tells us that the Father has set His Son on Mount Zion in the angelic realm, the highest heaven.

`I have set my King on my holy hill of Mount Zion.` (Ps. 2: 6)

And we see in that this Mount Zion is in the angelic realm.

`you have come to Mount Zion and to...angels.....God ...to Jesus.` (Heb. 12: 22 - 24)

 

We are given the details of the Lord`s own throne in the highest heaven.

`Behold, a throne set in heaven and one sat on the throne. And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance;...` (Rev. 4: 2 & 3)

This is the throne the Father has SET for His Son. It is for a kingpriest. The throne represents kingship while the stones represent priesthood, for they are the first and last, incorporating all the others, on the High priest`s breastplate.

The jasper stone was for the tribe of Naphtali, (Ex. 28: 20, last stone, Num. 10: 27, last tribe). The meaning is prevailed, (Gen. 30: 8).

The sardius stone was for the tribe of Judah, (Ex. 28: 17, first stone, Num. 10: 14, the first tribe). The meaning is to use the hand, power and authority. It is from this tribe that the kings came.

 

Here are the two meanings - kingship and prevailing, conqueror.

`Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.` (Rev. 5: 5)

Thus we see that the Father has set His Son on Mount Zion as the highest KingPriest, who prevailed and conquered and thus is worthy to bring judgment.

 

There is more to discuss however that is a start. What can you contribute?

Hello Marilyn C,

 

The relationship between precious stones and Israel tribes is interesting, but I believe that we should use the tribe count in Revelation to match it with the count of precious stones found in the same book. I thus made a table with possible correlations:

 

https://i.postimg.cc/Dy9HrQXJ/jasper-Sardius-Emerald.jpg

 

Best Regards

Spiros