SUN and MOON

[Marilyn C]

36 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

O.K. Here, for the record, is what you will not answer:

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. (1st Thess.4:14)

Also, you totally ignored my questions about Deuteronomy 33.

• That our Lord Jesus is commander of the army (singular) of heaven made of angels is not disputed.
• That the angels will be a part of the "armies" (plural) of heaven is not disputed
• That the angels will serve us in the execution of our duties after our return with our Lord Jesus, is not disputed
• That we who have COME WITH Jesus back to the ground will judge angels, is not disputed
• That the angels carry us to the air and bring us back (including our Lord Jesus Who "was TAKEN UP"), is not disputed
• That our Lord Jesus uses His angels to gather Israel from the "four winds" back to Canaan, is not disputed

Our dispute is whether those raptured to "meet the Lord in the air", and "are ever with the Lord" stay in the clouds, says you, or, as I maintain, we return with the Lord.

But should you feel that you've brought a plausible explanation, and the theme has reached its limits, I will happily join you in drawing a line under it. As you well remember, we've hashed this problem before.

Go well sister

Hi Ad Hoc,

Thanks for reminding me. Yes would need its own thread. And I do see that we agree on most but the most important part, (to me).

All the best, bro. Marilyn.

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7 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

How do you derive a CME out of your quoted verses in Jeremiah? I know I am as dense as lead, but please enlighten me.

Jeremiah 6:22-26 See; an army is coming, cruel and pitiless, they are like men ready for battle against you Zion...... 

Do not go outside, for the foe; sword in hand spreads terror all around..... weep bitterly and mourn, for in an instant the despoiler is upon us. 

This prophecy shows that it isn't describing a normal attack by a human army, just as Joel 2:1-11 does too.   Its something else, some kind of natural event, something we will be able to take cover from, but it strikes very suddenly. 

I contend that it will be a Coronal Mass Ejection, as that is the only event which can literally fulfil ALL of the Prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath. 

 

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10 hours ago, Keras said:

Jeremiah 6:22-26 See; an army is coming, cruel and pitiless, they are like men ready for battle against you Zion...... 

Do not go outside, for the foe; sword in hand spreads terror all around..... weep bitterly and mourn, for in an instant the despoiler is upon us. 

This prophecy shows that it isn't describing a normal attack by a human army, just as Joel 2:1-11 does too.   Its something else, some kind of natural event, something we will be able to take cover from, but it strikes very suddenly. 

I contend that it will be a Coronal Mass Ejection, as that is the only event which can literally fulfil ALL of the Prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath. 

 

Scripture clearly teaches that Jesus will destroy the antichrist with the "Brightness" of his coming, 2 Thessalonians 2:8, no coronal mass ejection will be seen or needed to explain 7 times brighter than the sun

2 Thessalonians 2:8KJV

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 

Acts 26:13-15KJV

13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

Edited March 27, 2022 by truth7t7

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13 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Scripture clearly teaches that Jesus will destroy the antichrist with the "Brightness" of his coming, 2 Thessalonians 2:8, no coronal mass ejection will be seen or needed to explain 7 times brighter than the sun

2 Thessalonians 2:8KJV

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 

Acts 26:13-15KJV

13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

Conflating the Return of Jesus and the epiphany of Paul, with the Sixth Seal, Lord's Day of fiery wrath, is complete error and hopeless confusion. 

Isaiah 30:26 specifically states that it will be the sun which the Lord will use to literally fulfil all the graphically stated prophesies about that terrible Day. 

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As Bible prophecy does tell us that a Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion of the sun’s surface is what the Lord will use on His Day of wrath, Isaiah 30:26a, Psalms 50:1-2, Malachi 4:1, +, we should know what a CME is and what it can do.
Briefly: On the Appointed Day, Isaiah 10:17, the sun will explode out a huge, earth directed mass of superheated hydrogen plasma. The initial super bright flash and the Electro- Magnetic Pulse will arrive here within 8 minutes, causing armed nuke weapons to explode, Jeremiah 49:35, and all electrical systems will be destroyed. The EMP microwave effect will also cause tectonic plate movement, Deuteronomy 32:22 - severe worldwide earthquakes.
The sun will be darkened by being obscured by the approaching mass and the moon will shine bright red from the reflection of the sun being seven times brighter.
24 hours after the explosion, the main mass will strike the earth, directly onto the Middle East, Zephaniah 2:4, wiping out the entire population, excepting a small remnant in Jerusalem. Isaiah 29:4, Jeremiah 10:18, Psalms 97:3-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18;+   [God's perfect solution to the ME crisis]
But as the earth is rotating and moving at 66,000mph on its orbital track, it quickly moves away and the rest of the world won't be so badly affected. The survivor's will form a One World Government, but we Christians will gather and live in all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10

The great Day of the Lord's wrath; the Sixth Seal, will come upon everyone the whole world over. Luke 21:34-35 Proved by how Revelation 6:15 covers every person. Isaiah 24:1-2, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7
No one will be taken away before this great test of our faith, 1 Peter 4:12, we will all see the cosmic effects and experience the devastation of that Day. Jeremiah 25:29-33
There are some signs to happen before that Day, we should know about. The 'sign of the fig tree budding', has occurred with the Jews establishing their own State in a part of the holy Land. Jesus said: the generation that see’s this, will live to see it all. Matthew 24:32-34, Ezekiel 12:25
Another prophecy that requires fulfilment before that Day, is Isaiah 3:1-7 and it may be that Micah 5:1 will precede it.

Isaiah 3:1-7 is specifically about Judah and Jerusalem. It says that they will lose their good leaders and the Lord will appoint incompetent youths to govern.
This prophecy has not been fulfilled as Written, so must belong to the present day. Judah is a nation, they control Jerusalem and they have a strong and experienced leader in Benyamin Netanyahu. If anything happened to him, they would be in disarray.
Micah 5:1, is an interesting verse without any context to help explain it, says how Israel's ruler will be struck on the cheek with a rod. A 'rod' is a slang term for a rifle and today it is possible for a sniper to accurately hit people at ranges of up to 2 miles.

The world is plainly, as in the days of Noah, as they and now we; think is normal life. BUT they and now the modern world, have sidelined their Creator. People say 'there is no God' and the bulk of humans, just ignore the One true God and worship materialism, idols or false gods. God will correct the situation; He did so before and He will do it again!
Isaiah 3:8-26, goes on to tell how rebel Judah will be brought low; the look on their faces testifies against them! Amazing prophecy, that perfectly fits the arrogant, LGBT and 'stiff necked' people who live in Israel now.
The Lord says: on that Day, I will take away your pride, instead of perfume there will be the stink of decay.....your men will fall by the Sword of the Lord and Zion will be stripped bare.             Wait for the Day!