Never add works to salvation. Works are for rewards not salvation.

[alaric_w]

We are born in a fallen body that will keep on sinning even if we do not want to.

Romans 7:18-20 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

Everyone is born a sinner (with compliment from Adam) and no sinner can enter heaven. It is our nature that prevent us from going to heaven, NOT what we do. We do what we do because of our nature.

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's (Adam) disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one (Jesus) shall many be made righteous.

Revelation 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

In order to enter heaven, we need to be righteous and sinless body (a new body that does not want to sin) Everyone who accepts Jesus as savior and trust in Jesus' finished work is enough to save them will receive Jesus' righteousness just as Jesus' received our sin and condemnation on the cross and paid fully for it. It is a divine exchange and a free gift for our benefit.

1 Corinthians 1:30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.

As for our new and sinless body, we will receive it on the day of the rapture.

1 Corinthians 15:53-56 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

So do you still believe that a sinner can clean himself and go heaven? I do not think so. You can pretend and act like a saint but you are still a sinner by nature and nothing you do can change that. Only God can save us.

Edited March 27, 2022 by alaric_w

[Riverwalker]

Truth 

We are not saved by words, but to them

Ephesians 2:. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

And our works will be judged, those that remain will be worthy of reward, those that don't will be burned and even if all are burned we will be saved, (although a bit scorched) because while works are a sign and a fruit of salvation they do not bring it about

1 Corinthians 3:11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

[Wayne222]

We are saved by Jesus. That's why he is called savior. Our works  show if we really know God. No one will be perfectly sinless but we can put to death sin. And walk in righteousness. We are born again. So we can live by the spirit. It's a battle at times because we still are in the flesh. John 1 says I write these things so you don't sin. So we can not walk in sin. It's a battle. 

[steve morrow]

TRUTH  --JESUS  CHRIST  DOES  NOT  LIE  NOR  CAN  HE--   TEACH  ALL  THE  WORDS  OF  THIS  LIFE

2 THESSALONIANS 2:10 and with all deceiveableness of unrighteousness ---in them that perish--- because they received not the love of the ---truth  --  that they might be saved---

MARK 8:35  for whosoever will save his life shall lose it but whosoever shall lose his life ---for  MY  sake  --and the gospels--  the same shall save it---

JOHN 5:34  but I receive not testimony from man but these things I say   ---that you might be saved---

1 JOHN 3:10  in this the children of  GOD  are manifest ---and the children of the devil--- whosoever doeth not righteousness  ---is not of  GOD--- neither he that loveth not his brother 

LUKE 8:21  and  HE  answered and said unto them ---MY  mother and  MY  brethren are these which hear the word of  GOD  --and do it---

PSALM 119:155  salvation is far from the wicked  ---for they seek not thy statutes---

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  

[missmuffet]

On 3/22/2022 at 6:49 PM, alaric_w said:

We are born in a fallen body that will keep on sinning even if we do not want to.

Romans 7:18-20 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

Everyone is born a sinner (with compliment from Adam) and no sinner can enter heaven. It is our nature that prevent us from going to heaven, NOT what we do. We do what we do because of our nature.

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's (Adam) disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one (Jesus) shall many be made righteous.

Revelation 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

In order to enter heaven, we need to be righteous and sinless body (a new body that does not want to sin) Everyone who accepts Jesus as savior and trust in Jesus' finished work is enough to save them will receive Jesus' righteousness just as Jesus' received our sin and condemnation on the cross and paid fully for it. It is a divine exchange and a free gift for our benefit.

1 Corinthians 1:30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. As for our new and sinless body, we will receive it on the day of the rapture.

1 Corinthians 15:53-56 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

So do you still believe that a sinner can clean himself and go heaven? I do not think so. You can pretend and act like a saint but you are still a sinner by nature and nothing you do can change that. Only God can save us.

Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works?

https://www.gotquestions.org

This is perhaps the most important question in all of Christian theology. This question is the cause of the Reformation, the split between the Protestant churches and Catholic Church. This question is a key difference between biblical Christianity and most of the “Christian” cults. Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works? Am I saved just by believing in Jesus, or do I have to believe in Jesus and do certain things?

The question of faith alone or faith plus works is made difficult by some hard-to-reconcile Bible passages. Compare Romans 3:28, 5:1 and Galatians 3:24 with James 2:24. Some see a difference between Paul (salvation is by faith alone) and James (salvation is by faith plus works). Paul dogmatically says that justification is by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), while James appears to be saying that justification is by faith plus works. This apparent problem is answered by examining what exactly James is talking about. James is refuting the belief that a person can have faith without producing any good works (James 2:17-18). James is emphasizing the point that genuine faith in Christ will produce a changed life and good works (James 2:20-26). James is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but rather that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his/her life. If a person claims to be a believer, but has no good works in his/her life, then he/she likely does not have genuine faith in Christ (James 2:14, 17, 20, 26).

Paul says the same thing in his writings. The good fruit believers should have in their lives is listed in Galatians 5:22-23. Immediately after telling us that we are saved by faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8-9), Paul informs us that we were created to do good works (Ephesians 2:10). Paul expects just as much of a changed life as James does: “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come” (2 Corinthians 5:17). James and Paul do not disagree in their teaching regarding salvation. They approach the same subject from different perspectives. Paul simply emphasized that justification is by faith alone while James put emphasis on the fact that genuine faith in Christ produces good works.

Edited March 24, 2022 by missmuffet

[steve morrow]

LOTS  TO  DO  ---  WORKS

 

ISAIAH 46:12  hearken unto  ME  you ---stouthearted that are far from righteousness---

 

2 TIMOTHY 3:4  traitors heady highminded lovers of pleasures more than lovers of  GOD 

--3:5--  having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof  ---from such turn away---

--3:6--  for of this sort are they which creep into houses and lead captive silly women laden with sins  ---led away with diverse lusts ---

--3:7-- ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth --

 

2 CORINTHIANS 11:13  for such are false apostles ---deceitful workers--- transforming themselves into the apostles of  CHRIST

--11:14-- and no marvel for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light 

--1:15-- therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as ministers of righteousness ---whose end shall be according to their works---

 

ACTS 3:22  for moses truly said unto the fathers a prophet shall  THE  LORD  YOUR  GOD  raise up unto you of your brethren like unto me  ---HIM  shall you hear in all things whatsoever  HE  shall say unto you 

--3:23-- and it shall come to pass ---that every soul -- which will not hear that prophet  --  shall be destroyed from among the people 

 

MATTHEW 12:36  but I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak ---they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement---

*******12:37 --- for by thy words thou shalt be justified and by thy words thou shalt be  --  condemned *******

 

JOHN 3:19  ---and this is the condemnation--- that light is come into the world and men loved darkness rather than light because ---THEIR  DEEDS  --  were evil ---

--3:20-- for every one that doeth evil hateth the light neither cometh to the light ---lest  --HIS  DEEDS-- should be reproved---

--3:21--  but he that doeth truth cometh to the light that ---HIS  DEEDS  --  may be made manifest  --  THAT  THEY  WROUGHT  IN   GOD ---

 

PSALM 33:4  for the word of  THE  LORD  is right and ---all  HIS  works are done in truth---

PROVERBS 14:7  go from the presence of a foolish man ---when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge---

PROVERBS 12:17  he that speaketh truth showeth forth righteousness ---but a false witness deceit---

 

*******ROMANS 10:3 --- for they being ignorant of  GODS  righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of  GOD*******

 

PSALM 15:1  LORD  who shall abide in thy tabenacle who shall dwell in thy holy hill 

--15:2-- he that walketh uprightly and   --WORKETH  RIGHTEOUSNESS--  and speaketh the truth in his heart--

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

 

 

 

[AdHoc]

On 3/23/2022 at 2:49 AM, alaric_w said:

We are born in a fallen body that will keep on sinning even if we do not want to.

Romans 7:18-20 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

Everyone is born a sinner (with compliment from Adam) and no sinner can enter heaven. It is our nature that prevent us from going to heaven, NOT what we do. We do what we do because of our nature.

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's (Adam) disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one (Jesus) shall many be made righteous.

Revelation 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

In order to enter heaven, we need to be righteous and sinless body (a new body that does not want to sin) Everyone who accepts Jesus as savior and trust in Jesus' finished work is enough to save them will receive Jesus' righteousness just as Jesus' received our sin and condemnation on the cross and paid fully for it. It is a divine exchange and a free gift for our benefit.

1 Corinthians 1:30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. As for our new and sinless body, we will receive it on the day of the rapture.

1 Corinthians 15:53-56 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

So do you still believe that a sinner can clean himself and go heaven? I do not think so. You can pretend and act like a saint but you are still a sinner by nature and nothing you do can change that. Only God can save us.

Please add works to salvation! A man, for him to be fully saved, must undergo five different "salvations"!

1. A man must have his sin and sins paid for. This done by Jesus and is gained through FAITH
2. His spirit must be born again (Jn.3:6). At this time it becomes the "abode" of God. This is through FAITH
3. His soul must be saved (1st Pet.1:9). This is by being exercised by sufferings. This the Christian must experience
4. His body must be saved from corruption. This is done by Christ through resurrection and is guaranteed (1st Cor.15:22).
5. He must, by his WORKS, and his OBEDIENCE, show that he is qualified to manage God's affairs (Matt.7:21-23, 24:35-51)
6. A man is saved in points 1 to 4 FOR THE PURPOSE of ruling this earth. If he is not promoted at the judgment Seat of Christ to be a co-king, HE IS NOT FULLY SAVED (Matt.19:25)

A man's POSITION is saved by FAITH, A man's DISPOSITION is saved by his WORKS. A Man is forgiven, justified and enlivened with the divine life by FAITH. A man EARNS a crown to rule with Christ through SUFFERINGS, OBEDIENCE; SELF DENIAL and his WORKS.

[steve morrow]

KEEP  ON  SINNING  EVEN  IF  WE  DO  NOT  WANT  TO ????

 

PHILIPPIANS 4:13  ---I can do all things through  CHRIST  which strengtheneth me---

JOHN 15:5  I am the vine you are the branches ---he that  --abideth--  in ME-- and I in him--- the same bringeth forth much fruit 

REVELATION 22:18 for I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book  ---IF  ANY  MAN -- shall add unto these things -- GOD -- shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book---

--22:19--  AND  IF  ANY  MAN -- shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy  --GOD--  shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the holy city and from the things which are written in this book

 

JEREMIAH 26:2  thus saith  THE  LORD  stand in the court of  THE  LORDS  house and speak unto all the cities of judah which come to worship in  THE  LORDS  HOUSE  ---all the words that I command thee to speak unto them  -- diminish not a word---

ACTS 5:20  ---go stand and speak in the temple to the people  --all the words of this life---

 

JOHN 14:15  --IF-- you love  ME  keep  MY commandments 

 

1 PETER 4:1  forasmuch then as  CHRIST  hath suffered for us in the flesh ---arm yourselves likewise with the same mind--- for he that hath suffered in the flesh ---hath ceased from sin---

--4:2-- that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men ---but to the will of  GOD---

LUKE 1:37  ---for with  GOD  nothing shall be impossible

 

JOHN 14:13  and whatsoever you shall ask in  MY  name that will I do that  THE  FATHER  may be glorified in  THE  SON 

1 JOHN 5:14  and this is the confidence that we have in  HIM  ---that if we ask anything  --according to  HIS  will-- he heareth us---

--5:15-- and if we know that  HE hear us --whatsoever we ask-- we know that we have the petitions that we desired of  HIM

JOHN 14:14  --if-- you shall ask anything in  MY  name I will do it 

 

PROVERBS 28:9  he that turneth away his ear from hearing the law even his prayer shall be abomination

REVELATION 21:27  and there shall in no wise enter into it anything that defileth neither whatsoever worketh abomination --or maketh a lie -- but they which are written in the lambs book of life

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST