First Resurrection, is it of Time Place or Rank?

[truth7t7]

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[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die.


Believest thou this?


Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;



 

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying,




Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of His saints,

 

Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken AGAINST HIM

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

Revelation 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

Revelation 11:18
And the nations were angry,

1.  and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged

2.  and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great;

3.  and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


 

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

We Agree, the "saved" believers in faith are of the living

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Final Judgement (The End)

1.) The sea gave up the dead?

That would be the living "unsaved" on earth at the Lord's return, "Sea" represents people on earth

2.) Death and hell delivered up the dead?

This represents the "unsaved" that are physically dead in the grave at the Lord's return

Edited April 20, 2022 by truth7t7

[DeighAnn]

11 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

We Agree, the "saved" believers in faith are of the living

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Final Judgement (The End)

1.) The sea gave up the dead?

That would be the living "unsaved" on earth at the Lord's return, "Sea" represents people on earth

2.) Death and hell delivered up the dead?

This represents the "unsaved" that are physically dead in the grave at the Lord's return

I don't understand what you are saying.  I can't 'follow' 

If we could, could we SKIP those who are SAVED and just deal with those who are not? 

SO everyone we discuss is SPIRITUALLY DEAD, NOT SAVED. 

This way when you say ALIVE it is because they are NOT IN THE GRAVE, they are walking and talking and making decisions....


and when you say DEAD it is because they ARE IN THE GRAVE, NOT walking and talking and making decisions. 


If so here are my questions


At the beginning of the Lords Day

1.  When Christ returns what happens to those who have 'taken the mark of the beast'?

2.  What happens to those who are in the 'graves'?




At the end of the Lords Day

1.  Who are the 'dead' who stand in judgment? 

2.  When did they resurrect?

3.  How did some of them get their names in 'the book of life' and avoid the 2nd death?

4.  Who are the 'dead' who the sea and death and hell 'deliver up'?

5.  When do those who are 'delivered up' rise and get judged or do they go straight from 'grave to lake of fire' without judgment?




You wrote
Final Judgement (The End)

1.) The sea gave up the dead?

"That would be the living "unsaved" on earth at the Lord's return, "Sea" represents people on earth"

HERE is where I run into a problem.  

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1.  The alive and remaining will be changed

2.  so shall we be ever with the Lord

3.  all shall be changed


You take those things written there and what we have is 


ALL THOSE WHO ARE LEFT ALIVE AND REMAINING,  AFTER THE DEAD RISE,  WILL BE CHANGED,  AND BE EVER WITH THE LORD.  

AGREED?   


Do you see WHY 'the UNSAVED' can't be amongst the 'ALIVE AND REMAINING'?  


BECAUSE ALL THE ALIVE AND REMAINING ARE CHANGED



"AND BE EVER WITH THE LORD" 
AND 
THAT IS CALLED IMMORTALITY


SO

THE 'UNSAVED' can't be amongst
"the alive and remaining"

or else, there would be

UNSAVED   SOULS   BECOMING   IMMORTAL.  



 

[truth7t7]

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I don't understand what you are saying.  I can't 'follow' 

If we could, could we SKIP those who are SAVED and just deal with those who are not? 

SO everyone we discuss is SPIRITUALLY DEAD, NOT SAVED. 

This way when you say ALIVE it is because they are NOT IN THE GRAVE, they are walking and talking and making decisions....


and when you say DEAD it is because they ARE IN THE GRAVE, NOT walking and talking and making decisions. 


If so here are my questions


At the beginning of the Lords Day

1.  When Christ returns what happens to those who have 'taken the mark of the beast'?

2.  What happens to those who are in the 'graves'?




At the end of the Lords Day

1.  Who are the 'dead' who stand in judgment? 

2.  When did they resurrect?

3.  How did some of them get their names in 'the book of life' and avoid the 2nd death?

4.  Who are the 'dead' who the sea and death and hell 'deliver up'?

5.  When do those who are 'delivered up' rise and get judged or do they go straight from 'grave to lake of fire' without judgment?




You wrote
Final Judgement (The End)

1.) The sea gave up the dead?

"That would be the living "unsaved" on earth at the Lord's return, "Sea" represents people on earth"

HERE is where I run into a problem.  

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1.  The alive and remaining will be changed

2.  so shall we be ever with the Lord

3.  all shall be changed


You take those things written there and what we have is 


ALL THOSE WHO ARE LEFT ALIVE AND REMAINING,  AFTER THE DEAD RISE,  WILL BE CHANGED,  AND BE EVER WITH THE LORD.  

AGREED?   


Do you see WHY 'the UNSAVED' can't be amongst the 'ALIVE AND REMAINING'?  


BECAUSE ALL THE ALIVE AND REMAINING ARE CHANGED



"AND BE EVER WITH THE LORD" 
AND 
THAT IS CALLED IMMORTALITY


SO

THE 'UNSAVED' can't be amongst
"the alive and remaining"

or else, there would be

UNSAVED   SOULS   BECOMING   IMMORTAL.  



 

The Lord returns in the last day resurrection of all, John 5:28-29, John 6:40, eternal life, eternal damnation

The Lord returns in fire and final judgement, all men's works will be judged by this fire, the righteous pass through the fire in the glorified body received to the Eternal Kingdom, the wicked are caught in it 1 Corinthians 3:13

Once Again:

1.) The sea gave up the dead?

That would be the living humans who are "unsaved" on earth at the Lord's return, "Sea" represents people on earth

2.) Death and hell delivered up the dead?

This represents the "unsaved" that are physically dead in the grave at the Lord's return, resurrection of damnation 

Edited April 20, 2022 by truth7t7

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The Lord returns in the last day resurrection of all, John 5:28-29, John 6:40, eternal life, eternal damnation

The Lord returns in fire and final judgement, all men's works will be judged by this fire, the righteous pass through the fire in the glorified body received to the Eternal Kingdom, the wicked are caught in it 1 Corinthians 3:13

Once Again:

1.) The sea gave up the dead?

That would be the living humans who are "unsaved" on earth at the Lord's return, "Sea" represents people on earth

2.) Death and hell delivered up the dead?

This represents the "unsaved" that are physically dead in the grave at the Lord's return, resurrection of damnation 

Rev 20: 12,13, 

 

12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

It says the dead were judged according to what they had done. 

For that reason the Sea gave up the dead and Death gave up the dead and Hades gave up the dead. 

Why you say where the scripture says that "the sea gave up thedead, and you say, "That would be the living humans who are "unsaved" on earth at the Lord's return, "Sea" represents people on earth)

You say that they are not dead and that they were still alive...and why this is the Judgment of the dead according to their works, without making any reference to what they believe.  

This day of Judgment is referring to people who were not Judged by the Lord at the time of their death.

And at the time when Jesus Christ was made the Judge of all the living and the dead.

This is the time he judged all those who had died and were waiting Judgment. 

They could not be Judge because God did not have appointed a judge to Judge them.

They were waiting for God to appoint Jesus Christ first as the judge of all. 

Jesus said that God has appointed the son of man to judge all people, even to judge the secret thoughts of all. 

Since the time God made  Jesus Christ the Judge of all, Jesus judges all people not only the believers while they live, his own believers, he has the right to, and the unbelievers according to specific situations...no one can forbid him to Judge them whether they are believers or unbelievers when they do or plan to do things to hurt his elect while they lived, how else can protect them. 

It is appointed to man to die first and then to be judged accordingly for Heaven or Hell. Because anytime an unbeliever can believe because God is calling him to believe till the last sound of the trumpet that announce his death...or his last breath on earth.

Even if he is incapable of speaking, a notion in his heart it is good for God because the faith is recorded in the heart of anyone who believes. 

So God can save everyone who believes in Jesus Christ, whether he can confess or not. Whether he can ask for forgiveness or not, whether he can say thank you or not..

Please try not to read scripture with a plan in your mind.

Just read carefully, check the context and other relevant scriptures and still be careful, because often when the context changes often the scenario changes.

Greetings 

 

[truth7t7]

30 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Rev 20: 12,13, 

 

12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

It says the dead were judged according to what they had done. 

For that reason the Sea gave up the dead and Death gave up the dead and Hades gave up the dead. 

Why you say where the scripture says that "the sea gave up thedead, and you say, "That would be the living humans who are "unsaved" on earth at the Lord's return, "Sea" represents people on earth)

You say that they are not dead and that they were still alive...and why this is the Judgment of the dead according to their works, without making any reference to what they believe.  

This day of Judgment is referring to people who were not Judged by the Lord at the time of their death.

And at the time when Jesus Christ was made the Judge of all the living and the dead.

This is the time he judged all those who had died and were waiting Judgment. 

They could not be Judge because God did not have appointed a judge to Judge them.

They were waiting for God to appoint Jesus Christ first as the judge of all. 

Jesus said that God has appointed the son of man to judge all people, even to judge the secret thoughts of all. 

Since the time God made  Jesus Christ the Judge of all, Jesus judges all people not only the believers while they live, his own believers, he has the right to, and the unbelievers according to specific situations...no one can forbid him to Judge them whether they are believers or unbelievers when they do or plan to do things to hurt his elect while they lived, how else can protect them. 

It is appointed to man to die first and then to be judged accordingly for Heaven or Hell. Because anytime an unbeliever can believe because God is calling him to believe till the last sound of the trumpet that announce his death...or his last breath on earth.

Even if he is incapable of speaking, a notion in his heart it is good for God because the faith is recorded in the heart of anyone who believes. 

So God can save everyone who believes in Jesus Christ, whether he can confess or not. Whether he can ask for forgiveness or not, whether he can say thank you or not..

Please try not to read scripture with a plan in your mind.

Just read carefully, check the context and other relevant scriptures and still be careful, because often when the context changes often the scenario changes.

Greetings 

 

Once again Jesus returns in fire and judgement Nahum 1:5, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10, all living humans will be judged by this fire 1 Corinthians 3:13, all dead will be resurrected at this time of fire judgement John 5:28-29, John 6:40, John 12:48

The righteous will pass through the fire in receiving glorified bodies entering the eternal kingdom, the wicked will be caught in this fire for eternity, Lake Of Fire

Edited April 21, 2022 by truth7t7

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The Lord returns in the last day resurrection of all, John 5:28-29, John 6:40, eternal life, eternal damnation

That PROPHECY, the PROPHECY you KEEP CLAIMING is future, has already taken place. 

HOW CAN WE BE POSITIVE?  BEYOND a shadow of a doubt?  Because HE ROSE.  And if you listen to  the prophecy THAT IS  'THE WHEN' we are told of the DEAD 'living' again.  WHEN is answered by HIS BODY RISING AND THEM RISING WITH HIM. 

THAT IS OVER AND DONE WITH.


You can pretend it's future, but that is what it would be just pretend.  
 

THERE ARE NO MORE DEAD AFTER THE DEAD ROSE BECAUSE JESUS TOLD US THAT AFTER THAT THOSE WHO LIVETH
ARE LIVING

EVERYONE WHO COMES TO LIFE FROM THAT POINT ON NEVER DIES.  

5 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The Lord returns in the last day resurrection of all, John 5:28-29, John 6:40, eternal life, eternal damnation

The Lord returns in fire and final judgement, all men's works will be judged by this fire, the righteous pass through the fire in the glorified body received to the Eternal Kingdom, the wicked are caught in it 1 Corinthians 3:13

Once Again:

1.) The sea gave up the dead?

That would be the living humans who are "unsaved" on earth at the Lord's return, "Sea" represents people on earth

2.) Death and hell delivered up the dead?

This represents the "unsaved" that are physically dead in the grave at the Lord's return, resurrection of damnation 

 Can't think of another way to say it?  You thought I read it once and made a comment, I didn't follow what you were saying?   Well I read it a bunch of times and you re posting what I DIDN'T FOLLOW THE FIRST TIME does NOTHING to help. 

So
thanks for your time.  





 

Edited April 21, 2022 by DeighAnn

[Robtay7123]

There can only be 1 first resurrection.  However there are multiple resurrection in scripture,  especially if you count the individual ones that many people in the Bible experienced.

[DeighAnn]

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

AND THEY DID.  

ONCE CHRIST RISES

THERE WILL

NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER EVER EVER

BE A 'DEAD' IN CHRIST EVER EVER AGAIN,


BECAUSE


WHO SO EVER LIVETH  AND BELIEVES NEVER DIES.  

NEVER DIES.  DOESN'T DIE.  DOESN'T BECOME AMONGST THE DEAD

EVERYONE WHO HEARS AND BELIEVES NEVER DIES.  THOSE WHO WERE DEAD WHEN CHRIST WAS ALIVE, THOSE DEAD ROSE.  SINCE NO ONE CAN BELIEVE IN HIM AND DIE AFTER THAT POINT,

THE DEAD HAVE ALREADY RISEN



THERE ARE NEVER AGAIN TO BE ANY WHO BELIEVE IN HIM THAT CAN EVER BE DEAD AGAIN.  THOSE WHO WERE DEAD ROSE AND THOSE WHO WERE AND ARE ALIVE NEVER DIE.  NEVER DIE MEANS CAN'T BE DEAD.  

CAN'T BE DEAD HERE.  CAN'T BE DEAD THERE. 


CAN NOT  BE DEAD,   NOT ABLE TO JOIN THE DEAD,     CAN NOT REMAIN IN THE GRAVE,  AREN'T ALLOW TO STOP IN THE GRAVE,  CAN'T REST IN THE DUST, CAN'T RISE FROM  IT EITHER, 

WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT. 


                 THEY CAN'T BE DEAD 


A            N           Y          W       H       E         R       E 


ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN SAVED CAN BE DEAD.  THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO COULD DIE, WERE ABLE TO DIE, THE ONLY ONES DEATH COULD BIND, THE ONLY ONES DEATH COULD HOLD CAPTIVE.  


DEATH COULD NO LONGER HOLD THOSE WHO CAME TO FAITH BECAUSE THOSE WHO LIVED AND BELIEVED NEVER DIED SO THEY COULD RESURRECT ON A LAST DAY AS THEY RESURRECT WHEN THEIR FLESH DIES.  

 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?  

ALL THOSE WHO 'HEAR' THE WORDS OF GOD AND COME TO FAITH FROM THE DAY CHRIST RISES  ALL THE WAY UNTIL NOW

 CAN'T GO BE AMONGST THE DEAD.  

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO BE AMONGST THE DEAD.  THEY CAME TO LIFE WHILE LIVING AND SO THEY NEVER DIE.  


ONLY THOSE WHO DIDN'T COME TO LIFE WHILE LIVING CAN DIE.  

THOSE ARE JUST THE FACTS.  THESE ARE THE WORDS OF GOD.  THESE WORDS CAN NOT BE ARGUED ABOUT THEM BEING TRUTH OR NOT, THEY JUST ARE.  IT IS STATED AS A FACT IT MUST BE TAKEN AS A FACT.  


THE FACT IS, IF YOU HEAR THE WORDS OF GOD AND COME TO FAITH YOU CAN NEVER DIE AND SO NO ONE SINCE THE DAY THE GRAVES WERE OPENED WHO IS SAVED
CAN BE DEAD.  

And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?

DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY WANT TO DIE, IF THEY ARE SAVED THEY NEVER DIE SO THEY ARE NEVER DEAD, SO THEY CAN NEVER WAIT UNTIL A 

LAST DAY TO RISE FROM THE DEAD 


BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AMONGST THE DEAD.  
 

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?



liveth and believeth in me shall never die




IF ANYONE KNOWS HOW TO SAY THIS IN A DIFFERENT MORE SIMPLE EASY TO UNDERSTAND WAY, PLEASE BY ALL MEANS JUMP ON IN BECAUSE ALL I HAVE LEFT IS MAKING IT BIGGER AND MORE COLORFUL 


IN HOPES OF IT BEING SEEN  IN THE SUPER SUPER SUPER SIMPLE EASY TO READ SENTENCE IN WHICH IT IS WRITTEN.  

and all of you who will finally see it, will THEN UNDERSTAND, and finally, what is REALLY going on will be understood.  BUT once you see that that FIRST TIME,  it's like the SCALES coming off of Pauls eyes.  It's humiliating and liberating all at the same time.  And everyone of us has gone through it.  You feel shame and embarrassment and repentance and excitement and born YET AGAIN. 

or not.  There is a thousand years, if it is done through innocence.  Not sure what's up if it isn't.   

[Your closest friendnt]

44 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

That PROPHECY, the PROPHECY you KEEP CLAIMING is future, has already taken place. 

HOW CAN WE BE POSITIVE?  BEYOND a shadow of a doubt?  Because HE ROSE.  And if you listen to  the prophecy THAT IS  'THE WHEN' we are told of the DEAD 'living' again.  WHEN is answered by HIS BODY RISING AND THEM RISING WITH HIM. 

THAT IS OVER AND DONE WITH.


You can pretend it's future, but that is what it would be just pretend.  
 

THERE ARE NO MORE DEAD AFTER THE DEAD ROSE BECAUSE JESUS TOLD US THAT AFTER THAT THOSE WHO LIVETH
ARE LIVING

EVERYONE WHO COMES TO LIFE FROM THAT POINT ON NEVER DIES.  

 Can't think of another way to say it?  You thought I read it once and made a comment, I didn't follow what you were saying?   Well I read it a bunch of times and you re posting what I DIDN'T FOLLOW THE FIRST TIME does NOTHING to help. 

So
thanks for your time.  





 

Got you.