First Resurrection, is it of Time Place or Rank?

[truth7t7]

45 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

When you asked yourself "Who was Jesus talking to,  and when was it,  and what happened right after,  and what else did He say and what was taking place?"


And you went back and did a real study on it and found out HE was speaking to the very last people who knew anyone who died under the law of sin and death,

and it was taking place RIGHT BEFORE before His crucifixion and resurrection, and the New Covenant was coming into being while the old one was being put away,  and to ACCOMPLISH that He preached to all those who had died under the law and were in their graves, and when you continued on deeper into that study,  you found out the graves were opened and EVEN that many of those saints appeared to others

HOW DID THAT EFFECT WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU KNEW BEFORE YOU WERE GIVEN THAT INFORMATION from the words of God?

Or had you become so sure in what you thought you knew that your mind closed off  to the SPIRIT OF TRUTH and instead CHOSE to remain in ignorance so you could be comfortable with your present beliefs or did you instead drop to your knees and pray God would give you even more insight and wisdom to KNOW HIS TRUTH like I did?  I am guessing the former by your reply.  

How is it,

THE DEAD, in the graves who heard and rose out of the graves  (2000 years ago)

got to go to heaven BUT 

those who were living and would hear and would believe,  would never die

ARE BEING PLACED BACK  into the same graves those under the law ROSE UP OUT OF?  

 YOU 'DIDN'T' BELIEVEST JESUS WHEN HE SAID NEVER DIE, as you said they are   AWAITING A FUTURE RESURRECTION

or

You do you have them 'bodyless',  (even though GOD GIVES EVERY SEED A BODY) and coming back for rot, decomp and the typically anaerobic splitting of proteins by bacteria and fungi with the formation of foul-smelling incompletely oxidized products to be RAISED IN GLORY? 


Or maybe I mis understood what point you were making


 

Scripture is very clear as seen below, Jesus Christ was the firstfruit of the glorified bodily resurrection, then it will be the dead in Christ at his "Future" return, the living in Christ will be changed, all receiving "Glorified Bodies" just as Jesus Christ maintains

Yes Paul in 1 Corinthians below wrote long after the Lord's resurrection

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Edited April 18, 2022 by truth7t7

[DeighAnn]

5 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Scripture is very clear as seen below, Jesus Christ was the firstfruit of the glorified bodily resurrection, then it will be the dead in Christ at his "Future" return, the living in Christ will be changed, all receiving "Glorified Bodies" just as Jesus Christ maintains

Yes Paul in 1 Corinthians below wrote long after the Lord's resurrection

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

HOW IS IT  

ALL OF YOU ALWAYS MANAGE TO MISS THE EXACT SAME THING?

IT DOESN'T MAKE IT GO AWAY.  SO WHY NOT JUST DEAL WITH IT?
 

1Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.


NO ONE gets to SKIP or LESSEN or PRETEND that this verse isn't here or it doesn't mean anything


NO ONE gets to DEAL WITH 'AFTERWARDS'

UNTIL THEY HAVE DEALT WITH

THEM THAT SLEPT.   


because 
THEM THAT WERE 'SLEEPING'  WERE ALL UNDER THE OLD COVENANT.  THOSE WHO WOULD BE THE 

FIRST TO RESURRECT UNDER THE NEW COVENANT.  

WE DON'T GET TO 'DISCARD' THIS
 

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Talk to me about WHAT HAPPEN TO THEM and when we get FINISHED with them then we can move on to AFTERWARDS.  

And I do realize how ANGRY it makes you.  And NO, I don't care.  I give you my other cheek. 

IT'S WHAT IT TOOK FOR ME AND I AM BEGINNING TO THINK IT IS THE ONLY WAY.  



 

1Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

1Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.




AND THEN WE WILL GET TO THESE GUYS AND ONLY AFTER THEM WILL WE GET TO THE ALIVE AND REMAINING

1Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order:







Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Scripture is very clear as seen below, Jesus Christ was the firstfruit of the glorified bodily resurrection, then it will be the dead in Christ at his "Future" return, the living in Christ will be changed, all receiving "Glorified Bodies" just as Jesus Christ maintains

Yes Paul in 1 Corinthians below wrote long after the Lord's resurrection

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

You have to pay attention to what you say to be from what you read in the 1 Corinthians 15. 

If you want to find out what 1 Corinthians 15 says you should make a study of the Greek text. 

I do not to sound the bell of how far off you are from the text, just read it in the Greek to find out for your self.

Please do not just say, this is what I read in English because even the English you have mistranslated, reading one thing and saying another thing....

You have posted one whole paragraph from line one to line twelve without any scripture reference for the Key words in that paragraph..

Word by word, line upon line, precept upon precept you have wondered away from what is written in 1 Corinthians 15. 

Paul did not say many of the things you have him saying.

Compared what you are saying with what Paul has written, not only in the Greek but also in the English. 

You have brought a lot of things in the text from other sources into Paul's source that are not in Paul. 

This is what is called "adulteration of the word of Paul".  In ignorance, and thinking that you are not.

 

[truth7t7]

44 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

HOW IS IT  

ALL OF YOU ALWAYS MANAGE TO MISS THE EXACT SAME THING?

IT DOESN'T MAKE IT GO AWAY.  SO WHY NOT JUST DEAL WITH IT?
 

1Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.


NO ONE gets to SKIP or LESSEN or PRETEND that this verse isn't here or it doesn't mean anything


NO ONE gets to DEAL WITH 'AFTERWARDS'

UNTIL THEY HAVE DEALT WITH

THEM THAT SLEPT.   


because 
THEM THAT WERE 'SLEEPING'  WERE ALL UNDER THE OLD COVENANT.  THOSE WHO WOULD BE THE 

FIRST TO RESURRECT UNDER THE NEW COVENANT.  

WE DON'T GET TO 'DISCARD' THIS
 

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Talk to me about WHAT HAPPEN TO THEM and when we get FINISHED with them then we can move on to AFTERWARDS.  

And I do realize how ANGRY it makes you.  And NO, I don't care.  I give you my other cheek. 

IT'S WHAT IT TOOK FOR ME AND I AM BEGINNING TO THINK IT IS THE ONLY WAY.  



 

1Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

1Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.




AND THEN WE WILL GET TO THESE GUYS AND ONLY AFTER THEM WILL WE GET TO THE ALIVE AND REMAINING

1Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order:







Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

 

Big Smiles, there will be one future resurrection of all, this will take place at the Lord's return, just as scripture clearly teaches below

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

 

[DeighAnn]

6 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

CAME

[truth7t7]

52 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

CAME

Adam came death, human Jesus came the resurrection of the dead, its that simple

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Adam came death, human Jesus came the resurrection of the dead, its that simple

 

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

(If Lazarus would have 'remained dead' for a couple more days, then he too would have had his grave opened and rose)
 

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened;

and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

 

 

PRAISE YE THE LORD
                   Came resurrection of the DEAD 2000 years ago!!! 


WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT ALL WHO BELIEVED WERE RAISED THAT DAY, (so we will both know it isn't 'hath God said').  

Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Therefore it says:  Having ascended on high, He led captive captivity and gave gifts  to men

 162. aichmalóteuó ►
Strong's Concordance
aichmalóteuó: to lead captive
Original Word: αἰχμαλωτεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: aichmalóteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (aheekh-mal-o-tew'-o)
Definition: to lead captive
Usage: I take captive, captivate.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from aichmalótos
Definition
to lead captive
NASB Translation
led captive (1).

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 162: αἰχμαλωτεύω

αἰχμαλωτεύω; 1 aorist ἠχμαλώτευσα; a later word (cf. Lob. ad Phryn., p. 442; (Winers Grammar, 92 (88).)); to make captive, take captive: 2 Timothy 3:6 Rec.; frequent in the Sept. and O. T. Apocrypha; to lead captive: Ephesians 4:8 (Ezekiel 12:3; (1 Esdr. 6:15)).

161. aichmalósia ►
Strong's Concordance
aichmalósia: captivity
Original Word: αἰχμαλωσία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: aichmalósia
Phonetic Spelling: (aheekh-mal-o-see'-ah)
Definition: captivity
Usage: captivity; a captive multitude.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from aichmalótos
Definition   captivity

NASB Translation
captivity (2), host of captives (1).

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 161: αἰχμαλωσία

αἰχμαλωσία, (ας, ἡ (αἰχμάλωτος, which see), captivity: Revelation 13:10; abstr, for concr, equivalent to αἰχμάλωτοι (cf. ἀδελφότης above), Ephesians 4:8 (from Psalm 67:19 () (cf. Buttmann, 148 (129); Winer's Grammar, 225 (211)); also εἰ τίς αἰχμαλωσίαν συνάγει (according to the common but doubtless corrupt text), Revelation 13:10 (as in Numbers 31:12, etc.). (Polybius, Diodorus, Josephus, Plutarch, others.)

 

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.


Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

 

1Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him,
and to every seed his own body.
 

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


 

Isaiah 26:16 LORD, in trouble have they visited thee, they poured out a prayer when thy chastening was upon them.

Isaiah 26:17 Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD.

Isaiah 26:18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Isaiah 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Ecclesiastes 9:12 For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.

 

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

John 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.

John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

 

 

 

 

Psalm 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

Psalm 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Big Smiles, there will be one future resurrection of all, this will take place at the Lord's return, just as scripture clearly teaches below

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

 

What first Corinthians 15 says and what it does not say.

We need the Greek to better understand what Paul said and what he did not say.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 

By man it is referring to Adam when he disobeyed God and ate from the tree. 

God inherited death not from God or as a punishment for his disobedience, but because he partook from the tree of death.

The children of Adam inherit from Adam what he had.

What Adam had he gave to his children. 

At that time we see two things Adam without death and Adam with death.

He had his children when he was in death so his children inherited death from him.

Everyone from Adam was in the inherited death from Adam. Not all at the same time but everyone in his time as they were born..everyone in the order they were born, there destiny was to be born in the death of Adam.

Even if they lived a righteous life and they were in favor with God like Abel, they still remain in the death Inheritance of Adam because the death in Adam did not come as a just reward from God because he disobeyed his command, no it did not it came from the tree, from the tree of death. 

God only told him what will happen to him if he eats from the tree. The Lord knew that the tree was the tree of death. 

God never promised that Adam will be cured from the bite of the snake, so to speak.

And I said that because the Lord said later on that when Adam ate from the tree it was if the serpent had bitten him and infected him with death.  

This infection remained in man.

Even in the man Abraham, something happened with Abraham it was as if the Serpent was just waiting on the stand by.

In the same way Adam was in the garden before he was bitten by the Serpent. 

This is what we are taught by the scriptures.  

Adam was alive to the Lord, because of righteousness, imputed righteousness so he can remain alive to him, and live without fear, in the promise of the Covenant of Circumcision. 

And the same for his children till the time the Law of God was given to them which included the Covenant of Circumcision. 

 

[truth7t7]

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

(If Lazarus would have 'remained dead' for a couple more days, then he too would have had his grave opened and rose)
 

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened;

and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

 

 

PRAISE YE THE LORD
                   Came resurrection of the DEAD 2000 years ago!!! 


WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT ALL WHO BELIEVED WERE RAISED THAT DAY, (so we will both know it isn't 'hath God said').  

Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Therefore it says:  Having ascended on high, He led captive captivity and gave gifts  to men

 162. aichmalóteuó ►
Strong's Concordance
aichmalóteuó: to lead captive
Original Word: αἰχμαλωτεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: aichmalóteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (aheekh-mal-o-tew'-o)
Definition: to lead captive
Usage: I take captive, captivate.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from aichmalótos
Definition
to lead captive
NASB Translation
led captive (1).

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 162: αἰχμαλωτεύω

αἰχμαλωτεύω; 1 aorist ἠχμαλώτευσα; a later word (cf. Lob. ad Phryn., p. 442; (Winers Grammar, 92 (88).)); to make captive, take captive: 2 Timothy 3:6 Rec.; frequent in the Sept. and O. T. Apocrypha; to lead captive: Ephesians 4:8 (Ezekiel 12:3; (1 Esdr. 6:15)).

161. aichmalósia ►
Strong's Concordance
aichmalósia: captivity
Original Word: αἰχμαλωσία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: aichmalósia
Phonetic Spelling: (aheekh-mal-o-see'-ah)
Definition: captivity
Usage: captivity; a captive multitude.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from aichmalótos
Definition   captivity

NASB Translation
captivity (2), host of captives (1).

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 161: αἰχμαλωσία

αἰχμαλωσία, (ας, ἡ (αἰχμάλωτος, which see), captivity: Revelation 13:10; abstr, for concr, equivalent to αἰχμάλωτοι (cf. ἀδελφότης above), Ephesians 4:8 (from Psalm 67:19 () (cf. Buttmann, 148 (129); Winer's Grammar, 225 (211)); also εἰ τίς αἰχμαλωσίαν συνάγει (according to the common but doubtless corrupt text), Revelation 13:10 (as in Numbers 31:12, etc.). (Polybius, Diodorus, Josephus, Plutarch, others.)

 

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.


Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

 

1Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him,
and to every seed his own body.
 

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


 

Isaiah 26:16 LORD, in trouble have they visited thee, they poured out a prayer when thy chastening was upon them.

Isaiah 26:17 Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD.

Isaiah 26:18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Isaiah 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Ecclesiastes 9:12 For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.

 

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

John 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.

John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

 

 

 

 

Psalm 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

Psalm 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

We Disagree

Those that came out of their Graves at the Lord's death on Calvary were "Raised From The Dead" just as Lazarus and Tabitha were, they didn't experience the "Resurrection"

There is one time in a future resurrection, where the dead in Christ will receive "Glorified" immortal bodies such as Christ maintains, this resurrection takes place at the "Future" second coming

We Disagree, The Horse Is Dead

Jesus Is The Lord 

[truth7t7]

6 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

What first Corinthians 15 says and what it does not say.

We need the Greek to better understand what Paul said and what he did not say.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 

By man it is referring to Adam when he disobeyed God and ate from the tree. 

God inherited death not from God or as a punishment for his disobedience, but because he partook from the tree of death.

The children of Adam inherit from Adam what he had.

What Adam had he gave to his children. 

At that time we see two things Adam without death and Adam with death.

He had his children when he was in death so his children inherited death from him.

Everyone from Adam was in the inherited death from Adam. Not all at the same time but everyone in his time as they were born..everyone in the order they were born, there destiny was to be born in the death of Adam.

Even if they lived a righteous life and they were in favor with God like Abel, they still remain in the death Inheritance of Adam because the death in Adam did not come as a just reward from God because he disobeyed his command, no it did not it came from the tree, from the tree of death. 

God only told him what will happen to him if he eats from the tree. The Lord knew that the tree was the tree of death. 

God never promised that Adam will be cured from the bite of the snake, so to speak.

And I said that because the Lord said later on that when Adam ate from the tree it was if the serpent had bitten him and infected him with death.  

This infection remained in man.

Even in the man Abraham, something happened with Abraham it was as if the Serpent was just waiting on the stand by.

In the same way Adam was in the garden before he was bitten by the Serpent. 

This is what we are taught by the scriptures.  

Adam was alive to the Lord, because of righteousness, imputed righteousness so he can remain alive to him, and live without fear, in the promise of the Covenant of Circumcision. 

And the same for his children till the time the Law of God was given to them which included the Covenant of Circumcision. 

 

Thanks for the response I disagree, my belief is seen in the response above

Jesus Is The Lord