Ancient Posted April 4, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 165 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 104 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2022 25 minutes ago, backontrack said: Still does not answer the question of fruit and fruit of the womb Something needs to take place first my friend to have that fruit you are talking about. That something was Adam knew his wife Eve and she conceived (the fruit). She did not conceive by Satan. It is troubling that you are thinking and even entertaining these ideas and giving them air time. Maybe you need to consider the fruit you are listening to or getting your information from. Shalom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted April 4, 2022 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 244 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,018 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,938 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted April 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said: Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. [emphasis added] I assume the Tree of Life would be the same as the fruits in the Garden of Eden. If @George has the time, I'd like him to chime in and give me his thoughts also; he is a wise man. I can see the reasoning; it could be representative or symbolic. However, Adam & Eve did physically partake of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which was literal. Therefore, if that tree was literal, why not the other, and if so, that leads me back to the original question; why didn't they? Things were different before the Fall of Creation so what we consider to be literal now is not the same as it was preFall. The purpose of the Tree of Life is to keep people alive as long as they keep partaking of it. One consequence of disobeying God was denial of access to the Tree of Life, the result being spiritual death and eventually physical death. Adam and Eve were ignorant of the difference between good and evil before they disobeyed God's instruction. We are not told the extent of the knowledge of good and evil that they gained from eating of the forbidden fruit, but we can be sure it was experiential. An immediate change took place. They knew they were guilty of disobeying God and were ashamed now that they had lost their covering of innocence and the countdown was on for their bodies to age and die. It was not only Adam and Eve's experience that changed, the whole of Creation changed. It went from being free of decay or corruption to being contaminated by sin. The Bible reveals that Adam's disobedience brought judgment on everyone, but Christ's obedience brought justification, and renewed access to the Tree of Life for the Redeemed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backontrack Posted April 4, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 139 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,213 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/10/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Ancient said: Something needs to take place first my friend to have that fruit you are talking about. That something was Adam knew his wife Eve and she conceived (the fruit). She did not conceive by Satan. It is troubling that you are thinking and even entertaining these ideas and giving them air time. Maybe you need to consider the fruit you are listening to or getting your information from. Shalom Ok I will consider that but I am a free thinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backontrack Posted April 4, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 139 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,213 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/10/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Sower said: "I'll get lots of flak from my opinion here" Isn't that what you are after? Why else would you post what you did? Thanks for the loving reply so what you are saying if one thinks different then someone else it not permitted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backontrack Posted April 4, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 139 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,213 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/10/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Ancient said: All life comes from God, you know the one who creates and gives life, the one who breathes the breath of life into each person. No fruit of the womb comes from Satan. There is nowhere in God's word that even remotely or comes close to that disgraceful abominable doctrine that has been presented. You need Book, Chapter and Verse. You need to put up or.....!!! Shalom Nephilim Gen 6:1-6 Num 13:30-31 Hum I thought Satan to was a fallen Angle then came Gen:1-11 the flood Cane's decedents and the Nephilim so wicked it Grieved God! Son of Satan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted April 4, 2022 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.25 Content Count: 27,793 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,513 Days Won: 130 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted April 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said: I assume the Tree of Life would be the same as the fruits in the Garden of Eden. If @George has the time, I'd like him to chime in and give me his thoughts also; he is a wise man. I can see the reasoning; it could be representative or symbolic. The tree of life in Revelation would seem to be the SAME as in Genesis to fulfill the cyclical pattern of the Bible. It's a physical tree ... and when Adam and Eve ate of the fruit they died. What died? Their Spirit! To be birthed into the Kingdom ... it is of the Spirit that must be birthed. 12 x 12 would be total fulfillment ... 144 ... study this out and you'll find some cool things out! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted April 4, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,256 Content Per Day: 3.32 Reputation: 16,671 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Michael37 said: We are not told the extent of the knowledge of good and evil that they gained from eating of the forbidden fruit, but we can be sure it was experiential. An immediate change took place. They knew they were guilty of disobeying God and were ashamed now that they had lost their covering of innocence and the countdown was on for their bodies to age and die. They had disobeyed God's spoken word so they knew evil. Period. We have no need of knowing the extent of the knowledge of good and evil. Satan lied when he said God knew both good and evil. God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. Only satan and his minions knew both and he became evil because of his pride. We avoid pride by being thankful. Being curious about sin, or forbidden fruit, just gets us into trouble. It is temptation. We can't seek God with all our hearts, souls, strength and minds if we are curious about evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted April 4, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,269 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,891 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2022 1 hour ago, backontrack said: 2 hours ago, Sower said: "I'll get lots of flak from my opinion here" Isn't that what you are after? Why else would you post what you did? Thanks for the loving reply so what you are saying if one thinks different then someone else it not permitted! So then, if I think differently than you, (reading something appearing to mock scripture), is it not also permitted? If you are sincere in that you felt inspired by the holy spirit to post what you did, cool. Then I misunderstood. Why not show us how you arrived to the ("where things get sorta weird") conclusions, as God has showed you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted April 4, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,306 Content Per Day: 7.10 Reputation: 13,341 Days Won: 99 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, backontrack said: I do not know if the tree of life was really fruit. I'll get lots of flak from my opinion here. I think it was what i call fruit of the womb. I think Eve had a sexual encounter with Satan and as a result of that encounter she had twins Cane and Able and that's where things get sorta weird. I also think Adam had a homosexual encounter with Satan as well. Result Cane Satan's off spring killed Able. Thus here we are transexuals, Gays, Lesbians, beastiality and sexual sins so far out of Wack one can only imagine. Sodom and Gamora paid the price for this to as Adam and Eve did except they were banned from the Garden. That's my take! Also known as the "serpent seed" doctrine of the Christian Identity cult and others who share much in common with it. Certain schismatic groups of the Aryan Brotherhood also espouse this heresy (those who aren't "Odinists," that is). It's common in those circles. Edited April 4, 2022 by Marathoner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted April 4, 2022 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.25 Content Count: 27,793 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,513 Days Won: 130 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted April 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Marathoner said: Also known as the "serpent seed" doctrine of the Christian Identity cult and others who share much in common with it. Certain schismatic groups of the Aryan Brotherhood also espouse this heresy (those who aren't "Odinists," that is). It's common in those circles. It's also a doctrine of Shepherd's Chapel. https://carm.org/shepherds-chapel/the-serpent-seed-and-the-kenites/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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