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[Uriah]

15 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @Uriah.

The purposes of the 70 Sevens ("Weeks") of years (490 years or 10 Jubilees), are listed for us in Daniel 9:24:

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
(1) to finish the transgression, and
(2) to make an end of sins, and
(3) to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
(4) to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
(5) to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
(6) to anoint the most Holy. (Daniel 9:24).

Some see these fulfilled in the First Advent of the Messiah Yeshua` (the Christ Jesus), but actually, they were merely begun at that time ...

 

Hi Retro,

I understand your point. I say say it differently: these things were indeed fulfilled, and continue to be so. They are ongoing.

Luke 24:44- And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

John 19:28 -After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Acts 3:18-But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

Acts 13:32,33- And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again 

[Uriah]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

As I see it, the tribulation of the saints in Israel begins when the king of the north gives Israel an army comprised of gentiles to occupy and protect Israel. About  this time the mark of the Israeli goverment will be administered in Israel. This persecution of the saints in Israel lasts 42 months. At the end of the 42 months the Islamic beast attacks the king of the norths army overwhelming them and killing them. The unbelieving jews are led away into captivity and are killed by the sword at this time. The king of the north responds by destroying the middle east. All of the unbelieving occupants of the promised land are destroyed in this war. The saints of Israel are resurrected and inherit the promised land and reign with Christ. 

Hi Shilosfoal,

Tell me a bit more about a "Islamic" beast.

[Shilohsfoal]

11 minutes ago, Uriah said:

Hi Shilosfoal,

Tell me a bit more about a "Islamic" beast.

The beast in the Bible is a kingdom. This kingdom consists of ten horns(countries). There is another smaller horn(country) that is diverse from its fellows and this little country appears to be stouter. This is how Daniel describes this beast which he states is a kingdom. 

The kingdom Daniel is describing fits the description of a kingdom known as the promised land which dwells between the Euphrates river and the Nile. 

According to Daniel, after this beast (kingdom) is destroyed, it will then be given to the saints of God for an everlasting possession. 

PS, the harlot which sits upon the beast with seven heads and ten horns represents Jerusalem which sits upon seven hills. It is written the ten horns hate the harlot and with burn her flesh. That's why the beast attacks Jerusalem. 

[Keras]

What WILL happen:

The enemies of the Lord gather - Micah 4:11-12, Ezekiel 36:2

They conspire to attack Israel - Psalms 83:1-8, Isaiah 21:2

They prepare their weapons - Psalms 7:12, Ezekiel 7:14   

This is the situation today.

 

At the moment of attack, God will use His Creation, the sun to send fire - Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-43, Isaiah 30:26 & 30, Psalms 11:4-6, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, Amos 1:1-15 & 2:1-5 , Psalms 50:1-3, Zephaniah 3:8, Revelation 6:12-17

The sun will explode with an extremely bright flash and the moon will reflect bright red - Isaiah 30:26, Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20, Habakkuk 3:4-5

The Lord will make their weapons recoil upon themselves, the Electro-Magnetic Pulse hit will cause them to explode - Psalms 7:13-16, Joel 3:4, Obadiah 15

Then the sun, moon and stars will be obscured by the approaching Coronal Mass Ejection - Psalms 18:11-12, Isaiah 13:9-13, Ezekiel 32:7-8, Amos 8:9

A huge superhot mass of hydrogen plasma approaches the earth – Joel 1:15-20, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 1:14-18

Everyone on earth will be shocked and terrified - Jeremiah 6:24-26, Ezekiel 21:5-7a, Isaiah 13:6-8, Revelation 6:15-17

The atmosphere will be pushed aside – Revelation 6:14, 2 Peter 3:10, Isaiah 34:4

The whole earth will be enveloped by fire - Isaiah 66:15, Zeph. 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7

In the Holy Land, only a remnant will survive - Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 6:11-13

 He will punish His enemies, the attackers of Israel- Psalms 83, Isaiah 63:1-6, Habakkuk 3:12, Revelation 14 18-20, Isaiah 66:17, Isaiah 29:20-21, Hebrews 10:27

His enemies will become ashes - Malachi 4:3, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 49:2, Matthew 3:12b

Millions will die around the world - Psalms 97:3-5, Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 13:12

The Lord will protect those who call to Him - Isaiah 43:2, Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

But most people will take shelter until it passes. Isaiah 2:19, Revelation 6:15

The survivors will form a One World Govt. - Daniel 7:23-24, Revelation 17:12

The Holy Land will be regenerated - Ezekiel 36:8, Joel 2:21-24, Isaiah 35:1-10, Amos 9:13-15, Jeremiah 33:12-14

And the Lord's faithful Christian people will gather there. - Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9-14

They will become the new nation of Beulah - Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 36:3-38, Jeremiah 31

They will build a new Temple – Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:9, Ezekiel 40 to 48

The attack by a Northern army will be won by the Lord – Ezekiel 38:22, Joel 2:20

The leaders of Beulah will break the Covenant with the Lord and sign a 7 year peace treaty with the leader of the O.W.G. Daniel 9:27, Isaiah 28:14-15

At the midpoint he will break the treaty and conquer Beulah-Daniel 9:27, Zechariah 14:1-2

This commences the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls of the Great Tribulation - Rev 8:2 onward.

Those who kept their faith in God will be taken to a safe place on earth. Daniel 11:32b, Revelation 12:14

3.5 years later, Jesus will Return in His glory, for His Millennial reign - Revelation 19:11-21, Matthew 24:30-31, Zechariah 14:3-4 

 

The Lord has told us His plans and He will not relent or change them - Jeremiah 4:28

There are plenty more prophecies and scriptures to prove this scenario.

Believe it or not it’s up to everyone to decide!  Psalms 19:11-12, Isaiah 48:6

[Retrobyter]

On 4/14/2022 at 12:32 AM, Keras said:

What WILL happen:

The enemies of the Lord gather - Micah 4:11-12, Ezekiel 36:2

They conspire to attack Israel - Psalms 83:1-8, Isaiah 21:2

They prepare their weapons - Psalms 7:12, Ezekiel 7:14   

This is the situation today.

 

At the moment of attack, God will use His Creation, the sun to send fire - Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-43, Isaiah 30:26 & 30, Psalms 11:4-6, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, Amos 1:1-15 & 2:1-5 , Psalms 50:1-3, Zephaniah 3:8, Revelation 6:12-17

The sun will explode with an extremely bright flash and the moon will reflect bright red - Isaiah 30:26, Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20, Habakkuk 3:4-5

The Lord will make their weapons recoil upon themselves, the Electro-Magnetic Pulse hit will cause them to explode - Psalms 7:13-16, Joel 3:4, Obadiah 15

Then the sun, moon and stars will be obscured by the approaching Coronal Mass Ejection - Psalms 18:11-12, Isaiah 13:9-13, Ezekiel 32:7-8, Amos 8:9

A huge superhot mass of hydrogen plasma approaches the earth – Joel 1:15-20, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 1:14-18

Everyone on earth will be shocked and terrified - Jeremiah 6:24-26, Ezekiel 21:5-7a, Isaiah 13:6-8, Revelation 6:15-17

The atmosphere will be pushed aside – Revelation 6:14, 2 Peter 3:10, Isaiah 34:4

The whole earth will be enveloped by fire - Isaiah 66:15, Zeph. 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7

In the Holy Land, only a remnant will survive - Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 6:11-13

 He will punish His enemies, the attackers of Israel- Psalms 83, Isaiah 63:1-6, Habakkuk 3:12, Revelation 14 18-20, Isaiah 66:17, Isaiah 29:20-21, Hebrews 10:27

His enemies will become ashes - Malachi 4:3, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 49:2, Matthew 3:12b

Millions will die around the world - Psalms 97:3-5, Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 13:12

The Lord will protect those who call to Him - Isaiah 43:2, Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

But most people will take shelter until it passes. Isaiah 2:19, Revelation 6:15

The survivors will form a One World Govt. - Daniel 7:23-24, Revelation 17:12

The Holy Land will be regenerated - Ezekiel 36:8, Joel 2:21-24, Isaiah 35:1-10, Amos 9:13-15, Jeremiah 33:12-14

And the Lord's faithful Christian people will gather there. - Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9-14

They will become the new nation of Beulah - Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 36:3-38, Jeremiah 31

They will build a new Temple – Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:9, Ezekiel 40 to 48

The attack by a Northern army will be won by the Lord – Ezekiel 38:22, Joel 2:20

The leaders of Beulah will break the Covenant with the Lord and sign a 7 year peace treaty with the leader of the O.W.G. Daniel 9:27, Isaiah 28:14-15

At the midpoint he will break the treaty and conquer Beulah-Daniel 9:27, Zechariah 14:1-2

This commences the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls of the Great Tribulation - Rev 8:2 onward.

Those who kept their faith in God will be taken to a safe place on earth. Daniel 11:32b, Revelation 12:14

3.5 years later, Jesus will Return in His glory, for His Millennial reign - Revelation 19:11-21, Matthew 24:30-31, Zechariah 14:3-4 

 

The Lord has told us His plans and He will not relent or change them - Jeremiah 4:28

There are plenty more prophecies and scriptures to prove this scenario.

Believe it or not it’s up to everyone to decide!  Psalms 19:11-12, Isaiah 48:6

Shalom, Keras.

Be careful that you're not reading fulfilled prophecy as though it must be fulfilled again or for the first time. Context will reveal much of this. For instance, most of Jeremiah is not about the distant future, but was about Judah's future after the Captivity.

Also, be very careful in using "nebulous generalities and universals." If you do this, you will find many places that seem to contradict what you feel the Scriptures were saying. Sometimes, particulars and local views are more applicable. For instance, one will often read the English words "the earth," and think of the whole planet when the Hebrew word is "haa'aarets," meaning "the LAND," and often refers to the Land of Israel, rather than the whole earth.

I'll go through them all eventually, but the verses I've already gone through are not about the distant future, like Amos (Amots) 1:1-15. These verses are about the time of Israel's capture! Some ways to check yourself is to look for the names of places and cities within the context. For instance, 

Amos 1:1 (KJV)

1 The words of Amos, who was among the herdmen of Tekoa, which he saw concerning Israel in the days of Uzziah king of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash king of Israel, two years before the earthquake.

[Keras]

43 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

I'll go through them all eventually, but the verses I've already gone through are not about the distant future, like Amos (Amots) 1:1-15. These verses are about the time of Israel's capture! Some ways to check yourself is to look for the names of places and cities within the context. For instance, 

Amos 1:1 (KJV)

1 The words of Amos, who was among the herdmen of Tekoa, which he saw concerning Israel in the days of Uzziah king of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash king of Israel, two years before the earthquake.

Obviously, plainly and indisputably, the Prophesies of Amos 1:1-15 and 2:1-5, did not happen in the days of King Jeroboam. That denotes the time in which Amos received his vision.  The Lord did not send fire against all His enemies, including Judah, Amos 2:4-5  There is just no record of anything like what is described by Amos and all the other prophets, about the Day the Lord will destroy His enemies by fire.  2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, +

I see the Prophesies of Jeremiah and all the rest, except Jonah; as being mainly about the end times.  They simply are not yet fulfilled. Some, maybe; partially fulfilled, the final and complete fulfillment, yet to come. 

God judged and punished the world in the days of Noah. Jesus said there will be another event of similar magnitude, Matthew 24:37-40   It hasn't happened yet, but be sure that it will and to know about it, to be ready for it; will be a great help to get thru it all and to stand before the Lord, trusting in Him. 

[Retrobyter]

4 hours ago, Keras said:

Obviously, plainly and indisputably, the Prophesies of Amos 1:1-15 and 2:1-5, did not happen in the days of King Jeroboam. That denotes the time in which Amos received his vision.  The Lord did not send fire against all His enemies, including Judah, Amos 2:4-5  There is just no record of anything like what is described by Amos and all the other prophets, about the Day the Lord will destroy His enemies by fire.  2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, +

I see the Prophesies of Jeremiah and all the rest, except Jonah; as being mainly about the end times.  They simply are not yet fulfilled. Some, maybe; partially fulfilled, the final and complete fulfillment, yet to come. 

God judged and punished the world in the days of Noah. Jesus said there will be another event of similar magnitude, Matthew 24:37-40   It hasn't happened yet, but be sure that it will and to know about it, to be ready for it; will be a great help to get thru it all and to stand before the Lord, trusting in Him. 

Shalom, Keras.

Okay, but just remember that the picture that you paint over and over again about "the CME destroying the earth" is overkill! First, that would be an ENORMOUSLY ACCURATE strike (which, of course, is within God's power to do), but that is also not necessary for a God who is a "CONSUMING FIRE" to do. God's plan is NEVER to "destroy the planet." He burns off the SURFACE of the earth, where all the works of men are found!

[Spock]

I will do a simple one as I see it…..

1. Jesus ascends to heaven around 32 AD- Takes the scroll, 4 horsemen + 5 released (Rev 5); Church being formed for nearly 2000 years

2. Seal 6 released simultaneous with rapture (Rev 6:17)(1 Thess 4)

3. undetermined gap of time interval (up to 3 or so years)…10 toes being formed Daniel 2 and 7); Gog/Magog (Ez 38)

4. covenant confirmed with the many (Daniel 9:27)

5. 3.5 years of pretty much peace, sacrifices resumed in rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem, then cut off (Daniel 9:27)

6. abomination of desolation (Matt 24:15)

7. 3.5 years of Great Trib (Matt 24:16 on); Jewish remnant flee to Petra (Rev 12); trumpets and bowls released

8. 2nd coming of Christ (Rev 19; Matt 24:29-31)

9. 75 days to clean up and Sheep and Goats Judgment (Matt 25:31-45)

10. 1000 Millennial rule

11. Satan released from abyss, 2nd Gog massacre around Jerusalem (Rev 20:7-10)

12. Great white throne judgment (Rev 20:11)

13. The rest is obvious…..

shalom,

spock

[Retrobyter]

On 4/13/2022 at 9:57 PM, Uriah said:

Hi Retro,

I understand your point. I say say it differently: these things were indeed fulfilled, and continue to be so. They are ongoing.

Luke 24:44- And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

John 19:28 -After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Acts 3:18-But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

Acts 13:32,33- And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again 

Shabbat Uriah.

I was reading through this, and I discovered a little inconsistency I wanted to clear up:

Luke 24:44 (KJV)

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

The Greek is ...

44 Εἶπεν δὲ πρὸς αὐτούς “Οὗτοι οἱ λόγοι μου οὓς ἐλάλησα πρὸς ὑμᾶς ἔτι ὢν σὺν ὑμῖν, ὅτι δεῖ πληρωθῆναι πάντα τὰ γεγραμμένα ἐν τῷ νόμῳ Μωϋσέως καὶ τοῖς προφήταις καὶ ψαλμοῖς περὶ ἐμοῦ.”

The transliteration of the Greek is ...

44 Eipen de pros autous, "Houtoi hoi logoi mou hous elaleesa pros humas eti oon sun humin, hoti dei pleerootheenai panta ta gegrammena en too nomoo Moouseoos kai tois profeetais kai psalmois peri emou."

And, a word-for-word translation into English is ...

44 He-said but to them, "These-things [are] the words of-me which I-spoke to you still being with you, that must be fulfilled all the things-written in the Law of Moses kai of the prophets and of-psalms about me."

The "all of the things-written" are qualified by the "about me." It's not just "all of the things-written!" Furthermore, in this sentence, they are further qualified by the fact that they were Yeshua`s words which He spoke to them while still being with them before His crucifixion! They were the ones specifically written about Yeshua`. The point is this: Not all prophecy is about the Messiah Yeshua`. HOWEVER, all the things written about the Messiah Yeshua` during His First Advent were indeed fulfilled. That's in the vicinity of 400 specific prophecies. However, they do NOT include the prophecies about the Messiah Yeshua`s SECOND Advent, nor do they include prophecies about anything else! Furthermore, there are some prophecies written about TIME SPANS rather than EVENTS. Those prophecies might be talking about the BEGINNING of the time span being fulfilled, while the rest of the time span must be fuifilled in the future, eventually reaching a conclusion.

[Retrobyter]

6 hours ago, Spock said:

I will do a simple one as I see it…..

1. Jesus ascends to heaven around 32 AD- Takes the scroll, 4 horsemen + 5 released (Rev 5); Church being formed for nearly 2000 years

2. Seal 6 released simultaneous with rapture (Rev 6:17)(1 Thess 4)

3. undetermined gap of time interval (up to 3 or so years)…10 toes being formed Daniel 2 and 7); Gog/Magog (Ez 38)

4. covenant confirmed with the many (Daniel 9:27)

5. 3.5 years of pretty much peace, sacrifices resumed in rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem, then cut off (Daniel 9:27)

6. abomination of desolation (Matt 24:15)

7. 3.5 years of Great Trib (Matt 24:16 on); Jewish remnant flee to Petra (Rev 12); trumpets and bowls released

8. 2nd coming of Christ (Rev 19; Matt 24:29-31)

9. 75 days to clean up and Sheep and Goats Judgment (Matt 25:31-45)

10. 1000 Millennial rule

11. Satan released from abyss, 2nd Gog massacre around Jerusalem (Rev 20:7-10)

12. Great white throne judgment (Rev 20:11)

13. The rest is obvious…..

shalom,

spock

Shalom, Spock.

I would contend that #13 is NOT so obvious (although it should be, IMO). I believe a LOT can be said about the eternal state that many gloss over. See, this is our ultimate GOAL, and as such, it is important that we keep it in mind to encourage us to our destination.