WOMEN PASTORS

[Vickilynn]

And for today, I believe it is used by insecure men and women who have been fed a bunch of malarchy all of their lives in the church or by some overbearing man in their life.

And please don't suggest that I don't like men. I love them a whole lot, I just don't care for chauvinistic attitudes or passive people pleasing attitudes. I stand for the Lord, I will teach, preach, and use authority where ever and when ever I believe the Lord is urging me to do so.....

It does not say "over Christ". It says, "over the man".

and in Christ there is neither male nor female. So who really is the Man being spoken of?

love and blessings

I usually stay out of these type of debates now, but you might wanna watch your blanket statment of passive people, or women who are evidently to stupid to understand the clear meaning of scripture. I am neither passive nor stupid and I find the scriptures very clear that woman are not to preach or be in authority over men. If we can make blanket statements of our opinions and call them truth, here is mine! I find that people who make statements like yours are usually woman who want to find a reason, any reason for not doing something the Bible clearly states is wrong, because it doesn't suit them and therefore scirpture has to be twisted to suit their purpose, so they can justify what they want, instead of obeying the Lord!

Shalom AP,

I agree, 100% Thank you!

[Massorite]

If a woman is not submitting or refuses to submit where she is Biblicially required, she has nothing worth hearing. Now interpreting when she is pushing herself into a leadership role that is not hers rightfully depends on the particular situation. My grandmother is in a church in rural eastern NC where there are no qualified males to teach or lead. What do u do? The community is full of old widows and children and they can't afford a pastor but own the building.

You do what I expect they are doing. The women arE preaching and teaching. As I have already said. God has always used a woman when there was not a qualified man.

[Vickilynn]

If a woman is not submitting or refuses to submit where she is Biblicially required, she has nothing worth hearing. Now interpreting when she is pushing herself into a leadership role that is not hers rightfully depends on the particular situation. My grandmother is in a church in rural eastern NC where there are no qualified males to teach or lead. What do u do? The community is full of old widows and children and they can't afford a pastor but own the building.

Shalom David,

What do you do?

You pray and ask G-d to provide and you trust HIM, not man's thinking, the same way Abraham did concerning Isaac. You don't justify violating Scripture.

As long as women are in the men's roles, men will not step up.

G-d qualifies the man.

[Guest LadyC]

bib, i absolutely believe all scripture is inspired by God. but i also understand that there are many times in scripture where a certain group of people were addressed. kinda like the should men be allowed to have long hair debate. or kinda like laws that were written affecting hebrews but not necessarily all mankind.

i've made my thoughts on this subject quite clear, and in no way does what i say oppose scripture. not even does it oppose paul's letter addressing a specific church crisis. a woman who delivers a sermon should be subject to the authority of a male, and should not hold the office of being the head honcho.

I was simply making an observation, based on personal experience, LadyC.

bib, i'm sorry, i think i meant to direct my response to exrockstar, not to you.... i must have read something you posted before i got around to responding. no wonder why you're shrugging your shoulders LOL. (unless you asked the same question of me that rockstar did, i'd have to go back and look!)

[Scarletprayers]

And for today, I believe it is used by insecure men and women who have been fed a bunch of malarchy all of their lives in the church or by some overbearing man in their life.

And please don't suggest that I don't like men. I love them a whole lot, I just don't care for chauvinistic attitudes or passive people pleasing attitudes. I stand for the Lord, I will teach, preach, and use authority where ever and when ever I believe the Lord is urging me to do so.....

It does not say "over Christ". It says, "over the man".

and in Christ there is neither male nor female. So who really is the Man being spoken of?

love and blessings

I usually stay out of these type of debates now, but you might wanna watch your blanket statment of passive people, or women who are evidently to stupid to understand the clear meaning of scripture. I am neither passive nor stupid and I find the scriptures very clear that woman are not to preach or be in authority over men. If we can make blanket statements of our opinions and call them truth, here is mine! I find that people who make statements like yours are usually woman who want to find a reason, any reason for not doing something the Bible clearly states is wrong, because it doesn't suit them and therefore scirpture has to be twisted to suit their purpose, so they can justify what they want, instead of obeying the Lord!

Shalom AP,

I agree, 100% Thank you!

Thanks Vickilynn , but did ted come by and change my name again when I wasn't lookin???

[Vickilynn]

And for today, I believe it is used by insecure men and women who have been fed a bunch of malarchy all of their lives in the church or by some overbearing man in their life.

And please don't suggest that I don't like men. I love them a whole lot, I just don't care for chauvinistic attitudes or passive people pleasing attitudes. I stand for the Lord, I will teach, preach, and use authority where ever and when ever I believe the Lord is urging me to do so.....

It does not say "over Christ". It says, "over the man".

and in Christ there is neither male nor female. So who really is the Man being spoken of?

love and blessings

I usually stay out of these type of debates now, but you might wanna watch your blanket statment of passive people, or women who are evidently to stupid to understand the clear meaning of scripture. I am neither passive nor stupid and I find the scriptures very clear that woman are not to preach or be in authority over men. If we can make blanket statements of our opinions and call them truth, here is mine! I find that people who make statements like yours are usually woman who want to find a reason, any reason for not doing something the Bible clearly states is wrong, because it doesn't suit them and therefore scirpture has to be twisted to suit their purpose, so they can justify what they want, instead of obeying the Lord!

Shalom AP,

I agree, 100% Thank you!

Thanks Vickilynn , but did ted come by and change my name again when I wasn't lookin???

Shalom Scarlet,

No honey, I just have very painful hands today and I am making all sorts of typos. Sorry SP!!

[Scarletprayers]

And for today, I believe it is used by insecure men and women who have been fed a bunch of malarchy all of their lives in the church or by some overbearing man in their life.

And please don't suggest that I don't like men. I love them a whole lot, I just don't care for chauvinistic attitudes or passive people pleasing attitudes. I stand for the Lord, I will teach, preach, and use authority where ever and when ever I believe the Lord is urging me to do so.....

It does not say "over Christ". It says, "over the man".

and in Christ there is neither male nor female. So who really is the Man being spoken of?

love and blessings

I usually stay out of these type of debates now, but you might wanna watch your blanket statment of passive people, or women who are evidently to stupid to understand the clear meaning of scripture. I am neither passive nor stupid and I find the scriptures very clear that woman are not to preach or be in authority over men. If we can make blanket statements of our opinions and call them truth, here is mine! I find that people who make statements like yours are usually woman who want to find a reason, any reason for not doing something the Bible clearly states is wrong, because it doesn't suit them and therefore scirpture has to be twisted to suit their purpose, so they can justify what they want, instead of obeying the Lord!

Shalom AP,

I agree, 100% Thank you!

Thanks Vickilynn , but did ted come by and change my name again when I wasn't lookin???

Shalom Scarlet,

No honey, I just have very painful hands today and I am making all sorts of typos. Sorry SP!!

Oh honey I was just playing it didn't bother me at all! Whats wrong with your hands???

[patricia1]

Oh... My precious father..Take Vickilyns hands into yours I pray, relieve the aches and pains she has and give her warmth of your Glorious Light, keep them warm.,Lord. Lubricate the joints,strengthen those bones..build up the cartilage and the muscles to be less infammed in Jesus Precious name I pray... Amen

[jackie d]

scarletprayers said:

usually stay out of these type of debates now, but you might wanna watch your blanket statment of passive people, or women who are evidently to stupid to understand the clear meaning of scripture. I am neither passive nor stupid and I find the scriptures very clear that woman are not to preach or be in authority over men. If we can make blanket statements of our opinions and call them truth, here is mine! I find that people who make statements like yours are usually woman who want to find a reason, any reason for not doing something the Bible clearly states is wrong, because it doesn't suit them and therefore scirpture has to be twisted to suit their purpose, so they can justify what they want, instead of obeying the Lord!

I might but I won't....I'm pretty straight forward so please don't put words in my mouth. The words stupid people never came out of my mouth nor did it enter my mind.

You find scripture very clear with muddied eyes. And not once did I say that I wanted to have authority over man. What I did say is that no one has authority over me but Christ. And it is His authority that I would never dream of usurping. Yet I hear people doing it all the time. Telling me how clear this verse or that verse is, yet those verses are debated to DEATH....so what's clear about that?

anywaysssss....sorry you felt offended by what I had to say. Next time refrain from yelling at me or stating I said something when I did not. Your feathers really don't need to get so ruffled.

This is a prime example of the blind leading the blind.

[Scarletprayers]

scarletprayers said:

usually stay out of these type of debates now, but you might wanna watch your blanket statment of passive people, or women who are evidently to stupid to understand the clear meaning of scripture. I am neither passive nor stupid and I find the scriptures very clear that woman are not to preach or be in authority over men. If we can make blanket statements of our opinions and call them truth, here is mine! I find that people who make statements like yours are usually woman who want to find a reason, any reason for not doing something the Bible clearly states is wrong, because it doesn't suit them and therefore scirpture has to be twisted to suit their purpose, so they can justify what they want, instead of obeying the Lord!

I might but I won't....I'm pretty straight forward so please don't put words in my mouth. The words stupid people never came out of my mouth nor did it enter my mind.

You find scripture very clear with muddied eyes. And not once did I say that I wanted to have authority over man. What I did say is that no one has authority over me but Christ. And it is His authority that I would never dream of usurping. Yet I hear people doing it all the time. Telling me how clear this verse or that verse is, yet those verses are debated to DEATH....so what's clear about that?

anywaysssss....sorry you felt offended by what I had to say. Next time refrain from yelling at me or stating I said something when I did not. Your feathers really don't need to get so ruffled.

This is a prime example of the blind leading the blind.

First I never yelled at you, where in anything that I posted is it in bold or all caps, except for where you did it above. As for the rest, no you didn't say stupid, just that people that are insecure were being fed malarchy and too passive, might not have said stupid but its kinda implied. As for feathers being ruffled maybe you should check to make sure it isn't yours. I'm not upset at all, and my opinion listed above is no more out of line than yours was. As for those verses being debated to death, yes your right they are. And since you could be the wrong one and not me, well I'll pass on claiming the muddied eyes title. I and many others however find them quite clear. And yes your right about the blind leading the blind.............maybe you should stop that.