Question about Babylon

[Heleadethme]

47 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Jerusalem is the whore. She literally sits on the beast just as revelation says. 

The beast is a kingdom. 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/7-23.htm

 

The ten horns share the same kingdom with the whore. If you simply look around Jerusalem, you won't have to look very far to find her enemies. 

If your looking in the United States or Europe for the beast you won't find it. If you look at the same kingdom where the whore sits, there you will find it. 

Yes, that is the "mystery" about Mystery Babylon....she is the collective body of God's people in bed with and compromised with the world, deceived and spreading deception....Israel and the great city Jerusalem (Sodom/Egypt/Babylon) back in the first century and I believe it applies to the apostate church in the last days as well, as well as may involve Jerusalem a second time, sadly  (double unto her double).  The beast/world kingdom turns on the harlot in the end....that is how God judges her.

[Heleadethme]

17 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

The WHOLE WORLD is being judged not ONE CITY !! The rest of the chapter is mere prose. Its God describing MANKIND and how they trusted in Babylon (Satan's Dark Kingdom on earth) and all of her VAIN DELECACIES. The whole world is being Judged, not one city called Babylon.

I don't rule out the possibility of prophetic words speaking in spirit and having more than one layer to what they are saying.  I was just sharing my part of what the Lord was kind to open to me.  But keep in mind what the harlot being in bed with the world/beast kingdom means....spiritual adultery and being ONE with the world.  Ancient Babylon in scripture was a type and figure of Israel BECOMING Babylon in essence because of being taken "captive" by it spiritually speaking. 

Nevertheless I am wondering how can the merchants who trade with Babylon be standing back watching her burn if it specifically involves the whole world?  They would be caught up in the burning of judgment  too one would think.  Bible says judgment begins with God's house.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

I strongly disagree, the beast is a "He" personal pronoun, a human man

Kingdoms are never referred to in the first person singular "He"

Good try, no cigar

Revelation 17:11KJV

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Im not he one saying the beast is a kingdom here. 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/7-23.htm

That is the explanation given to Daniel of the beast. You may just as  well be telling the angel of God, Good try, no cigar. 

Do you honestly believe the angel speaking to Daniel is wrong here? 

Edited May 12, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[Revelation Man]

18 hours ago, nobody said:

For instance they can use the same word to describe many things but using the rest of the text gives it its place

Exactly, which is why YOWM doesn't mean ONE DAY, it can mean Day, Month, Year, 2 years, Season, or any TIME PERIOD, them a DESCRIPTION is placed into the context, I have been bumping my head against the wall trying to get people to understand this. The Universe is not 6000 years old, Gen 1 is God giving us His POV to Creation, one YOWM or the first YOWM is only described for us, it fits between the Universes Sudden Creation (by God) to the Earth coming into existence, and thus only modern day man could understand the TIME FRAME, and since the Universe is 13.7 Billion years old and the Earth is 4.5 Billion year old, that means the FIRST YOWM lasted for 9.2 Billion Years (LOL...long time). 

The verse that says Darkness was on the face of the Deep PROVES this, that God is giving us a play by play, because after the initial INFLATION/Afterglow (lasted 400,000 years) there was nothing but DARKNESS for 400 million Years, THEN Stars started forming, so God is giving us this "Play by Play of Creation" and we can't get past the word YOWM meaning one day.

Gen. 1:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; (1.)and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the (2)face of the waters.

3 And God said, (3)Let there be light: and there was light.

So, the mapped out the Universe in the early 2000s with radar, and it shows us there was 400 million years of Darkness, just like God described to us.

1.) We ca only now understand THE DARKNESS on the face of the Deep.

2.) God moved on the Face of the Waters meant God entrapped Moisture in our atmosphere in order to reflect the light, thus outside our atmosphere it gets much darker, but inside light can illuminate our earth because of our atmosphere.

3.) Only afterwards does God say Let there be Light.

Oh well, off subject, but it backs up your point on Hebrew and I stud both the Greek and Hebrew, those who stick to only the English translations are never going to be able to get past a lot of obstacles placed in their way, no translations are perfect and words morph over time.

[nobody]

4 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Exactly, which is why YOWM doesn't mean ONE DAY, it can mean Day, Month, Year, 2 years, Season, or any TIME PERIOD, them a DESCRIPTION is placed into the context, I have been bumping my head against the wall trying to get people to understand this. The Universe is not 6000 years old, Gen 1 is God giving us His POV to Creation, one YOWM or the first YOWM is only described for us, it fits between the Universes Sudden Creation (by God) to the Earth coming into existence, and thus only modern day man could understand the TIME FRAME, and since the Universe is 13.7 Billion years old and the Earth is 4.5 Billion year old, that means the FIRST YOWM lasted for 9.2 Billion Years (LOL...long time). 

The verse that says Darkness was on the face of the Deep PROVES this, that God is giving us a play by play, because after the initial INFLATION/Afterglow (lasted 400,000 years) there was nothing but DARKNESS for 400 million Years, THEN Stars started forming, so God is giving us this "Play by Play of Creation" and we can't get past the word YOWM meaning one day.

Gen. 1:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; (1.)and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the (2)face of the waters.

3 And God said, (3)Let there be light: and there was light.

So, the mapped out the Universe in the early 2000s with radar, and it shows us there was 400 million years of Darkness, just like God described to us.

1.) We ca only now understand THE DARKNESS on the face of the Deep.

2.) God moved on the Face of the Waters meant God entrapped Moisture in our atmosphere in order to reflect the light, thus outside our atmosphere it gets much darker, but inside light can illuminate our earth because of our atmosphere.

3.) Only afterwards does God say Let there be Light.

Oh well, off subject, but it backs up your point on Hebrew and I stud both the Greek and Hebrew, those who stick to only the English translations are never going to be able to get past a lot of obstacles placed in their way, no translations are perfect and words morph over time.

 Waters meaning few items depending on text. The darkness of space (waters above) as God has made with all building blocks needed to create us and the stars. The finger of God set in motion the cosmos as the building blocks combined, stars are formed then became light and planets became dry land. The same can be understood as a planet is created also, (waters below) can confuse many.

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

I don't rule out the possibility of prophetic words speaking in spirit and having more than one layer to what they are saying.  I was just sharing my part of what the Lord was kind to open to me.  But keep in mind what the harlot being in bed with the world/beast kingdom means....spiritual adultery and being ONE with the world.  Ancient Babylon in scripture was a type and figure of Israel BECOMING Babylon in essence because of being taken "captive" by it spiritually speaking. 

Yes, no one is saying Israel did not prostitute herself, Hosea was ordered to marry a Prostitute, not to divorce her when she cheated, then when she got old and no ne wanted her. he took her back in. That was God painting us a picture of Israel and the end times. No one says Israel didn't prostitute herself, that is why God saw her as "Dead Men's Bones" for nigh 2000 years and forsook her until 1948.

But Jerusalem IS NOT the Harlot of Revelation 17, ALL False Religion of All Time is the Harlot. Israel were not even a nation in God's eyes for 2000 years so how can she have all the Martyrs of Jesus' Blood on her hands? Its just bad eschatology and IMHO, people who refuse tp move off of that are just in error.

The Harlot = FALSE REIGION  and se rode the Beast with 7 Heads and 10 Horns until they KILLED HER OFF in Rev. 17. SIMPLE TRANSLATION.

False Religion was a mainstay in Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome BUT not in the last Beast System pe se because they have moved past Diana, Jupiter, Sun Gods, etc. they are way "too smart" (LOL) for that, they now worship MANKIND or Humanism. They all think alike, their is "NO CREATOR" at all we just got here, I mean they don't thing even Jupiter created us, much less God Almighty, thus the Last Beast and his 10 Kings (Complete Europe) will KIL OFF all Religions, thus this is the Harlot being Judged, Islam will be wiped out, Buddhism, Hinduism et al and they will kill all the Christians who come to Christ after the Rapture, and will try to wipe out all the Jews, but we know 1/3 (which is 3-5 million Jews) of them Repent and God thus protects them in the Wilderness for 1260 days.

So, like Hosea, God will accept Israel when she is Old and no one wants her anymore, or everyone hates her. Israel played the Harlot, but we can see throughout scripture God is going to save ALL Israel, not every Jew. He promised this to Abraham, we can see in Zechariah 13:8-9 that 2/3 of the Jews refuse to repent and will perish but 1/3 repents and calls God God again and He calls them His sons again. No City is the Harlot, the whole World is Babylon the Harlot, we have all sinned, but only those who refuse to repent will be judged  via God's Righteous Wrath.

And there is a reason the CODE WORD Babylon was used. If the word World had been used. Rome would have seen that as treason, but since Babylon was used, they laughed. these people say a Dead City is going to be Judged, Ha ha ha. Harlotry is all false religion, she was co-mingled at the hip with False Governance. As a matter of fact Google Scarlet and Purple, it expressly says these were very expensive dyes to create in olden times and thus were used exclusively by Royals and the Priesthood (Israel's High Priests used Purple) and thus when God uses Scarlet and Purple in Rev. 17 He is saying this is False Religion (Harlot) and False Governance (Beast she is co-mingled with Egypt, to Rome to the Anti-Christ and his 10 or Europe reunited). The Harlot rides The Beast.

2 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Nevertheless I am wondering how can the merchants who trade with Babylon be standing back watching her burn if it specifically involves the whole world?  They would be caught up in the burning of judgment  too one would think.  Bible says judgment begins with God's house.

The Church is in Heaven at this time God LEFT the 5 Virgins, she has been Judged. God says in Zechariah 13:8-9 that 2/3 of the Jews will refuse to repent and will be CUT-OFF or perish, but 1/3 will repent, thus Judgment in both cases are God starting to Judge the Church and Israel BEFORE the Day of the Lord arrive because in Zechariah 14:1 (the very next verse) it says Behold the Day of the Lord has Arrived.

As per the Merchants, lets look at this from 10,000 feet, In told you it was Prose. Now look at this in a different light.

1/3 of the World is on fire, smoke blots out the sun by 1/3 around the world, what God is doin is conveying the sense of SEE, SEE, SEE, you trusted in this evil world, in gold, in money, in your own wealth, in your own ideologies, now they are all gone, they are burning up, your riches mean nothing, your vain glory means nothing, the Merchants cry and wail, all of there buyers are dying, the Wealth the trusted in is USELESS !! God is just showing us a PAINTED PICTURE of the THOUGHTS of their hearts sister. 

Rev. 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:(Dying)

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her,(This Evil World...Porn sells, Drugs sell, wickedness sells) shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment,(Simply means men are trying to HIDE in caves etc. like Seal #6 says) weeping and wailing,...........

20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. (Wicked World)

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. {Satan is bound and loses his Kingdom over men}

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Everyone on earth that was Murdered was done so under the LIARS Satan's Kingdom of Babylon the Great.

Babel means confusion, what greater description of this than Babylon the Great? Satan so CONFUSED the masses that they go to war against their own loving Creator. Nothing says Babylon like that a WORLD DECIVED and sadly CONFUSED.

Amen. Glory to God, we will be victorious, even via our own blood and trials we win in the end.

[Sister]

2 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Nevertheless I am wondering how can the merchants who trade with Babylon be standing back watching her burn if it specifically involves the whole world?  They would be caught up in the burning of judgment  too one would think.  Bible says judgment begins with God's house.

Heleadethme

The whore is the trade and commerce side of Babylon.

The whole world is involved in trade and commerce.

The ten kings burn that system we currently have, to make way for a new system.  Everyone will work for the beast and not for themselves.  The poor will have not much to lose in terms of wealth, but the rich will be wailing.  All will be taken from them.

In 'One hour' Babylon will be no more.  3.5 yrs to her end.

Revelation 18:17   For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

  Revelation 18:18   And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

  Revelation 18:19   And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

[truth7t7]

8 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Im not he one saying the beast is a kingdom here. 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/7-23.htm

That is the explanation given to Daniel of the beast. You may just as  well be telling the angel of God, Good try, no cigar. 

Do you honestly believe the angel speaking to Daniel is wrong here? 

"Once again" the subject is (The Beast) seen in Revelation 17:11 as seen below

I strongly disagree, the beast is a "He" personal pronoun, a human man

Kingdoms are never referred to in the first person singular "He"

Good try, no cigar

Revelation 17:11KJV

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

 

Edited May 12, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

6 hours ago, Sister said:

Heleadethme

The whore is the trade and commerce side of Babylon.

The whole world is involved in trade and commerce.

The ten kings burn that system we currently have, to make way for a new system.  Everyone will work for the beast and not for themselves.  The poor will have not much to lose in terms of wealth, but the rich will be wailing.  All will be taken from them.

In 'One hour' Babylon will be no more.  3.5 yrs to her end.

Revelation 18:17   For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

  Revelation 18:18   And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

  Revelation 18:19   And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

The "Woman" who is the "Whore" is a great city "She" and that great city is Jerusalem

[Shilohsfoal]

9 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

"Once again" the subject is (The Beast) seen in Revelation 17:11 as seen below

I strongly disagree, the beast is a "He" personal pronoun, a human man

Kingdoms are never referred to in the first person singular "He"

Good try, no cigar

Revelation 17:11KJV

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

 

OK, I still already know who the little horn is though. Tough little feller.