Those Who Are Convinced Christ Will Return In Their Lifetime

[Revelation Man]

On 6/1/2022 at 4:21 PM, Charlie744 said:

Can you explain where the 7 years of tribulation comes from?

Yes, in John 16:33 we are told by Jesus that all time on this earth is troubles. So, we have a Church Age Tribulation that John describes as the great (as in 2000 is GREATER than 7 as in 2000>7) tribulation where those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 came out of (Rapture of the Church). Then the 70th week is a final week/7 years of judgment against Israel, designed to get Israel to repent. So, that 7 years like Jesus stated is also troubles. Then there is a final 3.5 years in which mankind is under Satan's last days of rule, it has 1260 days of Gods Wrath combined with 1260 days of Satan's anger that he is losing his possession of earth once and for all, both run concurrent with each other. 

So, all time is troubles, the Church Age AND the 70th week, AND the last 3.5 years. Its up to us all to understand why they are troubles and what each represents. 

What you seem to be doing is not understanding that ALL TIME on this earth is seen as troubles by God, thus all of these factions need to be separated, but they also need to be understood. We have a Church Age TROUBLES, we have a coming 70th week of Jacob's Troubles, AND finally we have a 3.5 years in which Jesus stated those will be the GREATEST EVER TROUBLES seen on this earth. They are ALL TROUBLES, do not get caught up in ONLY the last 3.5 years are troubles because Jesus said THOSE TROUBLES were greater than OTHER TROUBLES !!

So, were the 1930s the only HOT SUMMERS ever recorded because they were the HOTTEST ever recorded, or should we understand that every Summer is usually pretty dang hot? Catch my drift? So, if I stated we just had 100 years of the hottest summers ever on record, and all you can think about is the 1930s because they were the hottest decade ever recorded, and 1933-37 were the four hottest ever years, you could therefore likewise say where do the 100 years come from etc. etc. It is semantics, all time are troubles according to Jesus. Including the Church Age AND the 70th week.

On 6/1/2022 at 4:21 PM, Charlie744 said:

Can you explain the entering of the covenant in 9?

 

Covenant simply means AGREEMENT in Hebrew. So, Israel and THE MANY (other nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region) all come into an Agreement with the Anti-Christ who will be the head of the E.U. So, it simply means Israel will join the European Union. Once this happens it will be the E.U. who has Israel's protection in their hands because they will mandate Israel give up her Nukes. Thus Israel will be unto the E.U. what Hawaii is unto the United States, we would never give Hawaii Nukes for the Gov. or for any Gov. of a state for that matter. 

On 6/1/2022 at 4:21 PM, Charlie744 said:

Can you explain the context of the “time, times, and 1/2 time? What does this refer or speak to? 

The time, times and half simply means 1260 days. So, from the time the Anti-Christ decides too go forth Conquering Israel and THE MANY nations in the Mediterranean Sea Coastline Region, he will have authority over THAT CERTAIN AREA for only 1260 days, as allowed by God. So, when Jesus in Matt. 24 says he will cut this END TIME PERIOD SHORT, he is speaking about God's PRE PLANNED AGENDA, they give this Beast Man/Anti-Christ ONLY 1260 days to rule as a Beast over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region. People who do not understand Eschatology think Jesus is saying the end times 1260 days will be CUT SHORT, which makes no sense, that way God would have to be a liar one way or the other. But it is just them failing to understand Jesus' words. Thus all of these wonders Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45 will end when Jesus shows up 1260 days after the Beast comes to power, at the Second Coming, and he will wipe out all evil on this earth at that time.

Likewise the 1290 happens 1290 days before Jesus Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS (False Prophet) and the 1335 happens 1335 days before the Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45. (Two-witnesses)

So, the 1335 comes FIRST (Two-witnesses) they get Israel to repent. Then after 3-5 million Jews start worshiping Jesus, many coming to the Tempe of God to do so, a Jewish High Priest (False Prophet) will STOP Jesus Worship in the temple (TAKES AWAY the Sacrifice) and he will then out of spite place an IMAGE of the Beast (E.U. President) up in the temple of God, all at the 1290, then LASTLY the Beast goes forth Conquering Jerusalem/Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region 30 days later at the 1260 event, which is the exact day God's wrath falls via an asteroid, he goes forth conquering on that day for strategic purposes.

On 6/1/2022 at 4:21 PM, Charlie744 said:

What caused the “dividing” of the 4th kingdom? When did this occur?

The Church could not be OVERCOME BY THE PITS OF HELL. Jesus told this to Peter. Thus the Church, working with the Holy Spirit, BLOCKS the Beast System from operating. We turned Rome from a Beast unto a Conveyor belt of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Only after we have DEPARTED (which is what 2 Thess. 2:3 means) will the Beast be able to ARISE AGAIN, once the Holy Spirits ability to use the Church is no longer available the Beast is then allowed t go forth, but only after the Departure or Rapture.

Thus, TAKE OUT the Church Age and the Forth Beast went from a Beast Kingdom (Rome) to a final Beast Kingdom (Anti-Christ/E.U.) ruled by ONE MAN who the European Nations who were/are now DIVIDED & SEPARTE NATIONS (Iron & Clay) give all of their power over unto this ONE MAN  via a group of representatives (Elections via their Parliament) Electing this ONE MAN as their President. 

On 6/1/2022 at 4:21 PM, Charlie744 said:

When did the little horn show itself and why? 

He is on earth now, he is not Revealed as the Beast until after the Rapture. But Scriptures say he must be born in Greece(Dan. 8:9). Then he comes to power in the E.U. (Fourth Beast/Dan. 7:7-8) and Isaiah 10 says he must have Assyrian bloodlines. 

Edited June 3, 2022 by Revelation Man

[Charlie744]

22 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Yes, in John 16:33 we are told by Jesus that all time on this earth is troubles. So, we have a Church Age Tribulation that John describes as the great (as in 2000 is GREATER than 7 as in 2000>7) tribulation where those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 came out of (Rapture of the Church). Then the 70th week is a final week/7 years of judgment against Israel, designed to get Israel to repent. So, that 7 years like Jesus stated is also troubles. Then there s a final 3.5 years  which mankind is under Satan's last days of rule, it has 126 days of Gods Wrath combined with 1260 days of Satan's anger that he is losing his possession of earth once and for all.  

So, all time is troubles, the Church Age AND the 70th week, AND the last 3.5 years. Its up to us all to understand why they are troubles and what each represents. 

Yes there will be troubles, but where does your 7 year period come from? Are you saying the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy in chapter 9 is the 7 years in the far future? 

If so, you have decided the "he" in chapter 9 is some anti-Christ figure that could not be identified (so far), consequently, they have thrown this figure some 2500 years into the future since they could not identify him. Do you know this was specifically generated by the Jesuits in the late 1500's in order to remove the papacy from its label as the little horn? 

The 70 years of weeks prophecy was fulfilled by the Messiah. The book of Daniel is all about HIs plan of salvation for mankind.. there is no anti-Christ or boogeyman in Daniel or His plan. God has definitely identified the one who will go against Him and He is abundantly clear it is the "little horn". This is the nasty little one who Daniel is speaking of in chapter 8, 9 and so on....

 

22 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

What you seem to be doing is not understanding that ALL TIME on this earth is see as troubles by God, thus all of these factions need to be separated, but they also need to be understood.

 

What I seem to be doing is simply asking  you a few questions... that is all.

22 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

 

We have a Church Age TROUBLES, we have a com in 70th week of Jacob's Troubles, AND finally we have a 3.5 years in which Jesus stated those will be the GREATEST EVER TROUBLES seen on this earth. They are ALL TROUBKES, do nit get caught up in ONLY the last 3.5 years are troubles because Jesus said THOSE TROUBLES were greater than OTHER TROUBLES !!

So, were the 1930s the only HOT SUMMERS ever recorded because they were the HOTTEST ever recorded, or should we understand that every Summer is usually pretty dang hot? Catch my drift? So, if I stated we just had 100 years of the hottest summers ever on record, and all you can think about is the 1930s because they were the hottest decade ever recorded, and 1933-37 were the four hottest ever years, you could therefore likewise say where do the 100 years come from etc. etc. Is semantics, all time are troubles.

No idea here... I am going to move along.

22 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Covenant simply means AGREEMENT in Hebrew. So, Israel and THE MANY (other nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region) all come into an Agreement with the Anti-Christ who will be the head of the E.U. So, it simply means Israel will join the European Union. Once this happens it will b e the E.U. who has Israel's protection in their hands because they will mandate Israel give up her Nukes. Thus Israel will be unto the E.U. what Hawaii is unto the United States, we would never give Hawaii Nukes fir the Gov. or for any Gov. of a state for that matter. 

Covenant does mean agreement. Now, who is making the agreement? No where does it tell you or infer anything about Israel, the EU, Nukes, Hawaii, etc., This did not come from Scripture but your imagination. Sorry.

First, identify who "he" is as the one making the Covenant,

What Covenant are we talking about? 

Is God making a Covenant with mankind? 

Could this be the Covenant in Jeremiah?

Can anyone make a Covenant with Israel / mankind other than God?

Is Daniel about Nukes, the EU, etc., or about the coming Messiah and His plan of salvation or restoration for not only the Jews but mankind?

In the "midst of the last week" (Daniel's 70 weeks), did the Messiah become "cut off" (3.5 years)? 

Did the Messiah complete His mission given by His Father before He was crucified? not allowing Him the full 7 years in Daniel's prophecy?

Was not ALL OF THIS PROPHECIZED BEFORE IT HAPPENED?

Israel was chosen by God to be the priests and teach the world of the One true God throughout the earth - they failed. They rejected their Messiah and now God would turn that responsibility over to the Holy Spirit - man would never again be given such a role to play in His plan of salvation. The Jews of today are no different than the Gentiles of today. ANYONE and EVERYONE who places their faith in the Messiah will be saved. There is one more role the Jews have to play before the second coming - they are a marker or a sign..... when they turn and accept the Messiah as their Lord and Savior THEN THE END WILL COME. Except for that role, there is no longer any Jew, Greek, male or female... we are all one in Jesus. 

As far as the nation of Israel and the Jews of today - they have ALWAYS BEEN HATED AND WILL ALWAYS BE HATED BY OTHERS... NEVER GOING TO CHANGE, but the WAR AT THE END OF DAYS IS BETWEEN GOD AND SATAN. Man will always continue to murder themselves... 

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The time, times and half simply means 1260 days. So, from the time the Anti-Christ decides too go forth Conquering Israel and THE MANY nations in the Mediterranean Sea Coastline Region, he will have authority over THAT CERTAIN AREA for only 1260 days, as allowed by God. So, when Jesus in Matt. 24 says he will cut this END TIME PERIOD SHORT, he is speaking about God's PRE PLANNED AGENDA, they give this Beast Man/Anti-Christ ONLY 1260 days to rule as a Beast over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region. People who do nit understand Eschatology think Jesus is saying the end times 1260 days will be CUT SHORT, which makes no sense, that way God would have to be a liar one way or the other. But is just them failing to understand Jesus' words. Thus all of these wonders Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45 will end when Jesus shows up 1260 days after the Beast comes to power, at the Second Coming, and he will wipe out all evil on this earth at that time.

Sorry, there is nothing in the Scriptures that speaks of this.... nothing. You have take a date and built a complete story around it....

First, let's go back to the actual writing of "time, times, and 1/2 times". This is in Daniel. Before you construct a Hollywood mini-series around this time element ask yourself:

What is the time, times, and 1/2 times referring to? (Daniel 7:25)

What is happening, how long will this "whatever it is" thing last for? Don't worry about converting it to years or months or days or whatever. What is it speaking about?

25He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[j] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

Before you address the time element please try and define theses hi-lited or bold items:

Who is "he",

Why is this "he" speaking pompous words against God,

Why is this "he" persecuting the saints?

Why does "he" change times and laws? (what times and laws)

Who are the saints this "he" has  been GIVEN into his hand?

Then after you answer the above can you determine the time element.

None of this is EU, Israel, Nukes or end time events.... "see the "little horn" in all of this?

 

22 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Likewise the 1290 happens 1290 days before Jesus Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS (False Prophet) and the 1335 happens 1335 days before the Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45. (Two-witnesses)

So, the 1335 comes FIRST (Two-witnesses) they get Israel to repent. Then after 3-5 million Jews start worshiping Jesus, many coming to the Tempe of Gid to do so, a Jewish High Priest (False Prophet) will STOP Jesus Worship in the temple (TAKES AWAY the Sacrifice) and he will then out of Spite place an IMAGE of the Beast (E.U. President) up in the temple of God, all at the 1290, then LASTLY the Beast goes forth Conquering Jerusalem/Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region.

The Church could not be OVERCOME BY THE PITS OF HELL. Jesus told this to Peter. Thus the Church, working with the Holy Spirit, BLOCKS the Beast System from operating. We turned Rome from a Beast unto a Conveyor belt of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Only after we have DEPARTED (which is what 2 Thess. 2:3 means) will the Beast be able to ARISE AGAIN, once the Holy Spirits ability to use the Church is no longer available.

Thus TAKE OUT the Church Age and the Forth Beast went from a Beast Kingdom to a final Beast Kingdom ruled by ONE MAN who the European Nations who were/are now DIVIDED NATIONS (Iron & Clay)give all of their power over unto this ONE MAN  via a group of representatives (Elections via their Parliament) Electing this ONE MAN. 

He is on earth now, he is not Revealed as the east until after the Rapture. But Scriptures say he must be born in Greece. Then he comes to power in the E.U. (Fourth Beast) and Isaiah 10 says he must have Assyrian bloodlines. 

I think I will pass on the rest of this..  Charlie

 

 

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6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Thanks fir your response. I “think” I understand what you are saying but it seems to be conflated with the necessity of including “man” in the equation. It should not. The Cross and the history of the Jews show us that everything man touches he corrupts and defiles- everything. 

We are by grace and not by works.

If you take people out of the equation altogether then who will preach the gospel?

Who will witness about Jesus on this planet to save souls.

God has invited souls to share in His glory in the next "world" and in this one by gospel preaching.

Don't Christians witness about Jesus all the time? The believing kingdom of Israel branches?

 

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Man can not be any part of the solution because man and his penchant for disobedience and idolatry, etc., ARE the problem. 

Men are sinners for sure.

There are 2 sides to men (people).

The first man is the flesh and the second man is spirit.

The man after the flesh is corrupt and cannot refrain from sin. There is a physical body that is subject to the powers of this world, the lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, and the vain pride of life (ego). A body tells us that it is hungry, then we must eat, when a body tells us it needs water, we drink. So much of the time we are prisoners in our bodies, governed by the demands of the material world with sin and guilt.

The man after the spirit cares for the things of the spirit, the mind, heart, and strength of the spirit. A relationship with God, guilt, joy, peace of mind, heartbreak, patience, sympathy, depression, all these things those who are of the spirit are concerned about, primarily, instead of what the body demands.

The material part of man, the flesh, is passing away. The spirit of man will live on. That is when sin and temptation will end and souls will have guilt and spiritual pain removed, after the last judgment.

Now we do not have to wait for the time of judgment to become free from sin. As Christians we are free now when we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit Acts 2:38, by the grace of God.

It is that Spirit with our spirit, within us, that drives us to preach the gospel and love God.

Isn't that Holy Spirit perfect? Isn't it everything that you have required that the witnesses be?

The flesh is corrupt yes, but the spirit can be made free from sin.

Our spirits, with the HS in us, are witnesses of Jesus.

1 Jn 5:10, "He that believeth  on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: ..."

It is the spiritual side of man who witnesses, the HS, not the corrupt flesh.

 

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

No amount of time will change that. Which is why God would never again trust His plan of salvation over to man - even in the smallest manner! 

I missed your scripture on this, I think you said that it was in Daniel some where?

 

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

No, the Jews nor the Gentiles who believe in Jesus could possibly be the “witnesses”.

Who are the 2 olive trees in Zech 4:11-14, Rev 11:4?

 

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

 They are either believers and followers of God or they are not. No man can ride one inch above another in His Kingdom.

The least in the kingdom is greater than he, Matt 11:11

 

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

 The two witnesses must be not if this world because they could not be corrupted. They can not be made common. They can not be molded or altered by man.

The Law and the Prophets are given to Israel by God. Are they corrupt?

 

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

 They can not be of this world and are not… they are symbolic yet more real than the world itself. 

Ok, expand what you have said.

They are not of this world, they are symbolic, and yet real.

Now tell how they relate to the children of Israel.

The Rev is about Israel isn't it?

So how are these 2 witnesses involved with the events concerning Israel?

For example, the 2 witnesses must wander in sackcloth for 1260 days, what are they witnessing about. why are they wearing sackcloth? How do those thing relate to the story about the children of Israel?

 

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

The two witnesses are the Scriptures (Tanakh), and the Testimony of Jesus.

Yes, I agree.

But the scriptures live in us, the Pentecost gospel kingdom of Israel by the Holy Spirit.

If the two witnesses are the scriptures,

Then how do they accomplish a wandering, a return to Jerusalem to be killed by the beast nation, and then are resurrected after 3 1/2 days? 

How can the scriptures alone do those things? 

 

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

  Jesus, our Lord and Savor, and His Word. 

Charlie

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[Charlie744]

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

We are by grace and not by works.

If you take people out of the equation altogether then who will preach the gospel?

Who will witness about Jesus on this planet to save souls.

God has invited souls to share in His glory in the next "world" and in this one by gospel preaching.

Don't Christians witness about Jesus all the time? The believing kingdom of Israel branches?

 

Men are sinners for sure.

There are 2 sides to men (people).

The first man is the flesh and the second man is spirit.

The man after the flesh is corrupt and cannot refrain from sin. There is a physical body that is subject to the powers of this world, the lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, and the vain pride of life (ego). A body tells us that it is hungry, then we must eat, when a body tells us it needs water, we drink. So much of the time we are prisoners in our bodies, governed by the demands of the material world with sin and guilt.

The man after the spirit cares for the things of the spirit, the mind, heart, and strength of the spirit. A relationship with God, guilt, joy, peace of mind, heartbreak, patience, sympathy, depression, all these things those who are of the spirit are concerned about, primarily, instead of what the body demands.

The material part of man, the flesh, is passing away. The spirit of man will live on. That is when sin and temptation will end and souls will have guilt and spiritual pain removed, after the last judgment.

Now we do not have to wait for the time of judgment to become free from sin. As Christians we are free now when we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit Acts 2:38, by the grace of God.

It is that Spirit with our spirit, within us, that drives us to preach the gospel and love God.

Isn't that Holy Spirit perfect? Isn't it everything that you have required that the witnesses be?

The flesh is corrupt yes, but the spirit can be made free from sin.

Our spirits, with the HS in us, are witnesses of Jesus.

1 Jn 5:10, "He that believeth  on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: ..."

It is the spiritual side of man who witnesses, the HS, not the corrupt flesh.

I believe I mentioned the identity of the "two witnesses" are the Messiah and His Word. They are not of this world and "witness" to mankind the One true God. They attest / certify / guarantee / speak of / speak about / confirm / etc., to the One God. Man must FOLLOW these two witnesses - they can not be the two witnesses. They certainly can be a follower of Christ and preach to the world and assist others in their walk but they / we are of this world and are "filthy rags". 

Also, the two witnesses have been around a lot longer than the little horn. It almost seems you are trying to raise the level of man to something it is not - because they believe in the Messiah. Until God perfects man, we are dung. 

 

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

I missed your scripture on this, I think you said that it was in Daniel some where?

Daniel 2:44

 

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

Who are the 2 olive trees in Zech 4:11-14, Rev 11:4?

Don't know yet... have not studied.

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

The least in the kingdom is greater than he, Matt 11:11

And...

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

The Law and the Prophets are given to Israel by God. Are they corrupt?

Who ever said that?  Where did this come from?

 

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

They are not of this world, they are symbolic, and yet real.

Is God of this world?  Are His Words of this world?

 

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

Now tell how they relate to the children of Israel.

The Rev is about Israel isn't it?

So how are these 2 witnesses involved with the events concerning Israel?

For example, the 2 witnesses must wander in sackcloth for 1260 days, what are they witnessing about. why are they wearing sackcloth? How do those thing relate to the story about the children of Israel?

NO, Revelation is not about Israel.... it is about the salvation of man. After the Cross there is neither Jew nor Greek nor male or female..... God has sent His Holy Spirit to all who will accept Him... not Jews. They had their specific mission from God and they failed. Jew and Gentile are the same in God's eyes.

I would suggest you might want to go back and study Daniel and then bring that interpretation forward to Revelation - there is so much in Daniel that carries forward to understand and interpret Revelation.

Has not the little horn thrown down the Word of God and Jesus the Messiah? Has he declared himself God on earth and equal to God. Has he changed times and laws, has he corrupted the 10 commandments? Are the two witnesses wandering the earth in sackcloth? 

Revelation is all symbolic and figurative not literal.

 

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

Yes, I agree.

But the scriptures live in us, the Pentecost gospel kingdom of Israel by the Holy Spirit.

If the two witnesses are the scriptures,

Then how do they accomplish a wandering, a return to Jerusalem to be killed by the beast nation, and then are resurrected after 3 1/2 days? 

How can the scriptures alone do those things? 

 

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These things are all symbolic. Read Daniel - the Scriptures / 10 commandments and even God has been trampled on for 2000 years. What more does the little horn have to do to God and His Word than what he has already and continues to do?

I said the two witnesses are Jesus and the Scriptures. 

Charlie

 

[Revelation Man]

8 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Yes there will be troubles, but where does your 7 year period come from? Are you saying the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy in chapter 9 is the 7 years in the far future? 

If so, you have decided the "he" in chapter 9 is some anti-Christ figure that could not be identified (so far), consequently, they have thrown this figure some 2500 years into the future since they could not identify him. Do you know this was specifically generated by the Jesuits in the late 1500's in order to remove the papacy from its label as the little horn? 

Of course its is the coming Anti-Christ, that's a no brainer. This was generated by Jesus, the Man in Linen and Gabriel the angel who gave al this to Daniel. 

8 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

The 70 years of weeks prophecy was fulfilled by the Messiah. The book of Daniel is all about HIs plan of salvation for mankind.. there is no anti-Christ or boogeyman in Daniel or His plan. God has definitely identified the one who will go against Him and He is abundantly clear it is the "little horn". This is the nasty little one who Daniel is speaking of in chapter 8, 9 and so on....

This is believed only by people who do not understand Prophecy, nor how to add simple numbers. AFTER 69 weeks is After 69 weeks, nit 69 1/2 weeks. Don't add to the bible or God's Word, that not on is a NO, NO, its very very dangerous for those spreading this kind of stuff. Israel HAS TO REPENT before the 70th  week can come to an end, not knowing this via he simple reading of Dan. 9:24-27 is on you brother. You guys allow some old false teachings (which I discounted in the 1980s) to reel you in and the hook gets set in the mouth.

The book of Daniel is about the Jewish/Israeli people, those two are one and the same, they are all Jews because they now live in Judah. If all Americans were forced to move to New York they would become New Yorkers. But they would still be Montanans, Alabamans, Georgians, Kansans but just living in New York, and thus after many many years they would simply be New Yorkers. 

Yes, the HE is he Anti-Christ, you can call him whatsoever you so desire, bothers me not, just because you can't dig it out and/or see it doesn't mean anything tbh. God is not required to check His prophesies with us human beings for approval.

The Little Horn, Anti-Christ, Man of Sin, The Assyrian, the Wicked One, and about 33 names in total, are ALL THE SAME man.

8 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

What I seem to be doing is simply asking  you a few questions... that is all.

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I am calling out why you asked the question, I have seen all this in my 37 years as a Christian called unto Eschatology, I can see what, why and where before you even ask the question.

 

8 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

No idea here... I am going to move along.

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

May be above your pay grade here brother. 

8 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Covenant does mean agreement. Now, who is making the agreement? No where does it tell you or infer anything about Israel, the EU, Nukes, Hawaii, etc., This did not come from Scripture but your imagination. Sorry.

No, it comes from the Holy Spirit, try it out, God still speaks to us today, but He wont if you doubt that He will. When Gods sees the tme is right He reveals all things unto Hs servants. These are SIMPLE TRUTHS which come with OBSERVATION. Just like a few knew Jesus was being born as the Savior/Messiah when the masses were CLUELESS !! The Wisemen knew, so did Simeon, but HOW? The Holy Ghost, that is how, it was not so clear in the scriptures, which is why the Pharisees an d scribes missed it, bit it was there nevertheless, and the Holy Spirit revealed it unto certain men, those who sought God's face al the day long.

Luke 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

So, how did this man Simeon knw Jesus was the Messiah while others did not? The Holy Spirit showed him in a manifestation. So, just because I can look at scriptures an SEE what you cant see doesn't mean its not there !! https://worthychristianforums-h45go6maxh5rpepgu.netdna-ssl.com/uploads/emoticons/default_whistling.gif

Hawaii was a JUXTAPOSITION, if you were being totally honest that would have bee stated as obvious. Nukes are just as OBVIOUS to those like me who are led like Simeon by the Holy Spirit (doesn't mean you do not have the Holy Spirit, maybe it just means End Time Eschatology was NOT YOUR CALLING). Thus I understand that Israel have to be TRICKED into giving up their Nuclear Arsenal, or else this an could not SWAMP THEM so fast and he probably wouldn't even try. As per the E.U. that also is obvious, the 10 ARISE out of the Fourth Beasts Head !! He will look just like Papa (Rome) on a map when the WOUND is healed.

Roman Empire circa 117 A.D.

European Union in Blue, the nations in Orange currently have 7 year agreements with the E.U. and it is called the European Neighborhood Policy. The Agreements ran from 2007-2013 and from 2014-2020. These nations include Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. (So, Israel and THE MANY spoken of in Dan. 9:27, Dan. 8:25 and in Dan. 11:40-43 so, we understand who they are. 

European Neighborhood Policy Map

So, now go read Dan. 11:40-43, and you will then understand who and what the Anti-Christ conquers at that future point in time. SEE how Old Rome will be Healed? The two maps will cover almost the exact same earth. Now go look at a Grecian map or Babylonian map, none of them covered EVERY SQUARE INCH of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline except for Rome AND his son the Anti-Christ/European Union. The DARK BLUE (E.U.) conquers the ORANGE (Israel and THE MANY) and thus he REVIVES the Fourth Beast again, over Israel AND the MANY (Mediterranean Sea Region Coastline). You seem I don't just guess, I am led like Simeon by the Holy Spirit. 

Why can't you see it? I do not know and do not care, God did not call me according toy your approval. As a matter of fact if you are not called unto something but try to go down that road it will ore than likely not be fruitful, we ALL have to do Gods will, a man  trying to d his own thing will never understand why he doesn't succeed at the things he is trying to do for God. Jesus went into the desert led by the Holy Spirit as Luke 4 states but he CANE OUT in the POWER of the spirit because he obeyed God the Father in all things. We must obey our calling in order to fall under the power of the spirit.

8 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

First, identify who "he" is as the one making the Covenant,

HE is the prince to come (Anti-Christ/Little Horn) of the people (Europeans) who destroyed Israel (Rome/Europe) in 70 AD. Go look on Wikipedia now, under The European Neighborhood Policy.

9 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

What Covenant are we talking about? 

Is God making a Covenant with mankind? 

Could this be the Covenant in Jeremiah?

I am not into GUESSING, we know it the Anti-Christ, Israel and THE MANY, not just Israel. SEE BELOW. Covenant simply means AGREEMENT, you try to make it mean Holy Covenant. 

Dan. 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

{{Remember the European Policy Map ABOVE? Now look at WHO this Anti-Christ and Europe Conquers BELOW:}}

Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south (THE MANY/Egypt/Jordan etc. etc.) push at him: and the king of the north(Anti-Christ) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. {{ To get at Israel he must needs go through Syria, Jordan and Lebanon}}

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land,(Israel) and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. {{ So, Edom, Moab and Ammon just so happen to be in the Central and Southern Jordan Mountainous Area where Petra and Bozrah is, or where Israel FLEES unto Judea and where God PROTECTS the Woman (Rev. 12) or Israel for 1260 days, and in this passage, this Anti-Christ conquers Israel and TE MANY nations surrounding her, but is NOT ALLOWED to conquer the area where Israel flees unto !! Need another MAP to show this? Look at the bottom after the scriptures. }}

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

Understand Daniel 11:40-43 now? THE MANY are not just Israel, but it is Israel and THE MANY that the Anti-Christ Conquers. I am just good at my calling, because I have been blessed by God because of my hard work, prayers and refusal to take no for an Answer, so when I don't hear, I keep going like a dog on a bone until I get an answer. 

CONTINUED...............

[Charlie744]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Of course its is the coming Anti-Christ, that's a no brainer. This was generated by Jesus, the Man in Linen and Gabriel the angel who gave al this to Daniel. 

This is believed only by people who do not understand Prophecy, nor how to add simple numbers. AFTER 69 weeks is After 69 weeks, nit 69 1/2 weeks. Don't add to the bible or God's Word, that not on is a NO, NO, its very very dangerous for those spreading this kind of stuff. Israel HAS TO REPENT before the 70th  week can come to an end, not knowing this via he simple reading of Dan. 9:24-27 is on you brother. You guys allow some old false teachings (which I discounted in the 1980s) to reel you in and the hook gets set in the mouth.

The book of Daniel is about the Jewish/Israeli people, those two are one and the same, they are all Jews because they now live in Judah. If all Americans were forced to move to New York they would become New Yorkers. But they would still be Montanans, Alabamans, Georgians, Kansans but just living in New York, and thus after many many years they would simply be New Yorkers. 

Yes, the HE is he Anti-Christ, you can call him whatsoever you so desire, bothers me not, just because you can't dig it out and/or see it doesn't mean anything tbh. God is not required to check His prophesies with us human beings for approval.

The Little Horn, Anti-Christ, Man of Sin, The Assyrian, the Wicked One, and about 33 names in total, are ALL THE SAME man.

I am calling out why you asked the question, I have seen all this in my 37 years as a Christian called unto Eschatology, I can see what, why and where before you even ask the question.

 

May be above your pay grade here brother. 

No, it comes from the Holy Spirit, try it out, God still speaks to us today, but He wont if you doubt that He will. When Gods sees the tme is right He reveals all things unto Hs servants. These are SIMPLE TRUTHS which come with OBSERVATION. Just like a few knew Jesus was being born as the Savior/Messiah when the masses were CLUELESS !! The Wisemen knew, so did Simeon, but HOW? The Holy Ghost, that is how, it was not so clear in the scriptures, which is why the Pharisees an d scribes missed it, bit it was there nevertheless, and the Holy Spirit revealed it unto certain men, those who sought God's face al the day long.

Luke 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

So, how did this man Simeon knw Jesus was the Messiah while others did not? The Holy Spirit showed him in a manifestation. So, just because I can look at scriptures an SEE what you cant see doesn't mean its not there !! https://worthychristianforums-h45go6maxh5rpepgu.netdna-ssl.com/uploads/emoticons/default_whistling.gif

Hawaii was a JUXTAPOSITION, if you were being totally honest that would have bee stated as obvious. Nukes are just as OBVIOUS to those like me who are led like Simeon by the Holy Spirit (doesn't mean you do not have the Holy Spirit, maybe it just means End Time Eschatology was NOT YOUR CALLING). Thus I understand that Israel have to be TRICKED into giving up their Nuclear Arsenal, or else this an could not SWAMP THEM so fast and he probably wouldn't even try. As per the E.U. that also is obvious, the 10 ARISE out of the Fourth Beasts Head !! He will look just like Papa (Rome) on a map when the WOUND is healed.

Roman Empire circa 117 A.D.

European Union in Blue, the nations in Orange currently have 7 year agreements with the E.U. and it is called the European Neighborhood Policy. The Agreements ran from 2007-2013 and from 2014-2020. These nations include Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. (So, Israel and THE MANY spoken of in Dan. 9:27, Dan. 8:25 and in Dan. 11:40-43 so, we understand who they are. 

European Neighborhood Policy Map

So, now go read Dan. 11:40-43, and you will then understand who and what the Anti-Christ conquers at that future point in time. SEE how Old Rome will be Healed? The two maps will cover almost the exact same earth. Now go look at a Grecian map or Babylonian map, none of them covered EVERY SQUARE INCH of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline except for Rome AND his son the Anti-Christ/European Union. The DARK BLUE (E.U.) conquers the ORANGE (Israel and THE MANY) and thus he REVIVES the Fourth Beast again, over Israel AND the MANY (Mediterranean Sea Region Coastline). You seem I don't just guess, I am led like Simeon by the Holy Spirit. 

Why can't you see it? I do not know and do not care, God did not call me according toy your approval. As a matter of fact if you are not called unto something but try to go down that road it will ore than likely not be fruitful, we ALL have to do Gods will, a man  trying to d his own thing will never understand why he doesn't succeed at the things he is trying to do for God. Jesus went into the desert led by the Holy Spirit as Luke 4 states but he CANE OUT in the POWER of the spirit because he obeyed God the Father in all things. We must obey our calling in order to fall under the power of the spirit.

HE is the prince to come (Anti-Christ/Little Horn) of the people (Europeans) who destroyed Israel (Rome/Europe) in 70 AD. Go look on Wikipedia now, under The European Neighborhood Policy.

I am not into GUESSING, we know it the Anti-Christ, Israel and THE MANY, not just Israel. SEE BELOW. Covenant simply means AGREEMENT, you try to make it mean Holy Covenant. 

Dan. 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

{{Remember the European Policy Map ABOVE? Now look at WHO this Anti-Christ and Europe Conquers BELOW:}}

Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south (THE MANY/Egypt/Jordan etc. etc.) push at him: and the king of the north(Anti-Christ) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. {{ To get at Israel he must needs go through Syria, Jordan and Lebanon}}

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land,(Israel) and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. {{ So, Edom, Moab and Ammon just so happen to be in the Central and Southern Jordan Mountainous Area where Petra and Bozrah is, or where Israel FLEES unto Judea and where God PROTECTS the Woman (Rev. 12) or Israel for 1260 days, and in this passage, this Anti-Christ conquers Israel and TE MANY nations surrounding her, but is NOT ALLOWED to conquer the area where Israel flees unto !! Need another MAP to show this? Look at the bottom after the scriptures. }}

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

Understand Daniel 11:40-43 now? THE MANY are not just Israel, but it is Israel and THE MANY that the Anti-Christ Conquers. I am just good at my calling, because I have been blessed by God because of my hard work, prayers and refusal to take no for an Answer, so when I don't hear, I keep going like a dog on a bone until I get an answer. 

CONTINUED...............

Best wishes, Charlie 

[WilliamL]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I am just good at my calling,

Proverbs 27:2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

[Revelation Man]

9 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Can anyone make a Covenant with Israel / mankind other than God?

Yes !! Of course other nations can make AGREEMENTS with Israel, the Abraham Accords were AGREEMENTS with Israel. The European Neighborhood Policy are AGREEMENTS between Israel and the E.U. Your mind goes to "Holy Agreements", that is wrong think by you. That is not what the passage says my brother, it says HE makes a Covenant or AGREEMENT with Israel then BREAKS IT in the middle of the week, not God but HE, and its nit not Jesus. Jesus and Gd don't renege on their promises in the middle of the week, or at any time. Even assuming they were of God (they aren't) why would they be 7 YEAR AGREEMENTS instead of ETERNAL AGREEMENTS !! It makes ZERO SENSE brother, because it is not of God. Men have had this stuff out there long before you came along. Satan is very good at half truths. 

9 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Is Daniel about Nukes, the EU, etc., or about the coming Messiah and His plan of salvation or restoration for not only the Jews but mankind?

Dan. 9:27 is about the coming Anti-Christ. Jesus gets CUT OFF a verse before. You conflate the two people in the two verses. And yes, the end time Israel Kingdom has NUKES, so the AGREEMENT has to be an AGREEMENT where Israel becomes DEFENSELESS or else this man could not conquer them. And the E.U. is where the 10 (ALL or COMPLETE Europe resides) kings resides.

9 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

In the "midst of the last week" (Daniel's 70 weeks), did the Messiah become "cut off" (3.5 years)? 

NO......He was CUT OFF after 69 weeks, you made it after 69 1/2 weeks. In error I might add or I should say you repeat men from long ago who stated the same things, that are factually inaccurate.

 

9 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Did the Messiah complete His mission given by His Father before He was crucified? not allowing Him the full 7 years in Daniel's prophecy?

The 70 weeks Prophecy is about Israel, NOT Jesus. It is about 70 weeks of Judgments against Israel. RABBIT HOLES ARE DEEP and thus we can't not get off course brother. Jesus was a MARKER in the 70 weeks judgment as were THE WALL, and the coming AGREEMENT between this MAN and Israel, and THE MANY. 

9 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Was not ALL OF THIS PROPHECIZED BEFORE IT HAPPENED?

Of course, but you are conflating the LAST WEEK to come with things Jesus did in the 69th and 1/2 week, and there was no such thing, Jesus DIED and the 69th week ENDED. Now we await the FINAL WEEK of Israel judgment designed to get Israel to repent in the Middle of the Week. 

14 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Israel was chosen by God to be the priests and teach the world of the One true God throughout the earth - they failed.

Not so, they were called to bring forth the Savior, and to usher in the Kingdom Age. They will do both, they failed to bring in the Kingdom Age in in a timely manner, but as Paul says, God's CALLINGS are WITHOUT REPENTANCE, so they will meet their calling, but it has to wait until after the Time of the Gentiles is over, thus the Mantle was taken from them and given unto the Gentile Church, the ELDER is to serve the YOUNGER, why do you think God chose Jacob over Esau? Why do you think Paul references that in Romans chapters 9-11 ?  We are ALL kings and priests unto Christ, Paul and Peter tells us this. 

14 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

They rejected their Messiah and now God would turn that responsibility over to the Holy Spirit - man would never again be given such a role to play in His plan of salvation. The Jews of today are no different than the Gentiles of today. ANYONE and EVERYONE who places their faith in the Messiah will be saved. There is one more role the Jews have to play before the second coming - they are a marker or a sign..... when they turn and accept the Messiah as their Lord and Savior THEN THE END WILL COME. Except for that role, there is no longer any Jew, Greek, male or female... we are all one in Jesus. 

You totally misconstrue this passage in Gal. ch. 3. I understand why, but the KEY is their is neither Jew nor Greek, MALE nor FEMALE, Slave nor Freeman. It doesn't mean what you think it does tbh. There are of course Male and Females, and thus Jews and Greeks/Gentiles. So, what does it really mean?

Reread the chapter, Paul says WHO HAS BEWITCHED you that starting out in the Spirit (FAITH) you are now living in the FLESH (Laws of the Old Testament). Then he goes on a diatribe explaining how no one can be justified under the law because we all have broken the law and thus we can ONLY be Justified by FAITH ALONE. Then he points out that THE LAW only came 430 years AFTER THE PROMISE.

So, in Galatians Paul was pointing out unto them that they dd not have to act like Jews in order to make it into Heaven !! Thus they had been told that by some "Christian Jews" no doubt, thus Paul was scolding them for falling for this untruth. Thus at the end when he says there is nether Jew NOR Greek, Male NOR Female, he is not saying that there are no Males and Females ( sounds silly right? ) nor that there are no Jews and Greeks/Gentiles, he is saying that in order to make it to Heaven it doesn't matter of you are MALE or FEMALE, Greek or Jew, Slave or Freeman ALL God sees is your FAITH ALONE !! There are still MALES & FEMALES, and there are STILL Jews and Greeks/Gentiles. And the Jews calling is DIFFERENT from ours as a Nation.

Some Jews will be a part of the Raptured Church, of course, but as a Nation, Israel has a DIFFERENT CALLING, they have to be on this earth in order to set up the Kingdom Age. Whilst only the Christians killed during the 70th week for refusing the Mark of the Beast will live and Reign on this earth for 1000 years with Jesus, Rev. 20:4 tells us that very, very clearly. The Raptured Church no doubt will thus return to Heaven during the 1000 year reign. By the way, THE END is only referring to the 70th Week which ENDS Mankind and Satan's rule over them on this earth. Jesus then takes over for his 1000 year rule. Amen.

14 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

As far as the nation of Israel and the Jews of today - they have ALWAYS BEEN HATED AND WILL ALWAYS BE HATED BY OTHERS... NEVER GOING TO CHANGE, but the WAR AT THE END OF DAYS IS BETWEEN GOD AND SATAN. Man will always continue to murder themselves... 

Satan THNKS by destroying Israel he can make God's Prophesies NULL & VOID. Bit he is mistaken, of course.

14 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Sorry, there is nothing in the Scriptures that speaks of this.... nothing. You have take a date and built a complete story around it....

Pssstttt, you just can't comprehend it brother. 

14 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

First, let's go back to the actual writing of "time, times, and 1/2 times". This is in Daniel. Before you construct a Hollywood mini-series around this time element ask yourself:

What is the time, times, and 1/2 times referring to? (Daniel 7:25

I know what it is referring unto already. The 1260 days in which the Anti-Christ rules as THE BEAST over Israel and THE MANY nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region. 

14 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

25He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[j] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

Before you address the time element please try and define theses hi-lited or bold items:

Who is "he",

Why is this "he" speaking pompous words against God,

Why is this "he" persecuting the saints?

Why does "he" change times and laws? (what times and laws)

Who are the saints this "he" has  been GIVEN into his hand?

Then after you answer the above can you determine the time element.

None of this is EU, Israel, Nukes or end time events.... "see the "little horn" in all of this?

1.) HE is the Anti-Christ/Little Horn/Man of Sin.

2.) He speaks POMPOUS WORDS against God of course he's a braggart who thinks he is god.

3.) He will kill 2/3 of the Jews who do not repent and flee Judea, he will also kill those Gentiles who become Christians AFTER the Rapture of the Church.

4.) Times and Laws means Cultures and Norms, not Sunday Worship etc. (SMILE I see it coming). Research Jason (real name Yeshua) who was a High Priest under Antiochus Epiphanes, he welcomed Antiochus into the temple of God to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus on the altar of God, then MANDATED that all Jews become Hellenized, which led to the Maccabean Revolt. He also bribed Antiochus in order to be named the High Priest, having his Pious High Priest brother Onias III killed. Thus HE SOUGHT to change TIMES & LAWS during his times in the exact same way the future False Prophet will do under the coming Anti-Christ. The Greeks were big proponents of Homosexuality, they built Gyms (Greek word is Gymnasium)where the ran around all day in the nude with other men playing sports !! So, TIMES & LAWS refer to the Culture and Norms of the time. We see this happening now, the Trans Movement, the Homosexual Marriage movement is very, very telling stuff. 

5.) Israel is given into this Anti-Christs hands for 1260 days. 

All of this is about Israel and the E.U. who will AGREE to allow Israel to become an E.U. Member State, then the E.U. Leader will conquer them in the middle of the week. 

The TIME ELEMENT can bee seen in Dan. 12:7, Jesus (Man in Linen) tells us tat from the time the holy peoples (Jews) are conquered there will be 1260 days until ALL THESE WONDERS Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45 comes to AN END (Via the Second Coming of Jesus of course).

15 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I think I will pass on the rest of this..  Charlie

 

You do not understand the 1260, so there is no way you can grasp the 1290 and 1335. Its quite simple, but complex at the same time. 

God Bless.

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

Proverbs 27:2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

MY CALLING........and the Holy Spirit providing me with Answers is A-OK with me. I am Good at my calling because we are SUPPOSED to understand our calling. If only all men hearkened in full unto our callings the world would be a much different place. I like being OBEDIENT and thus GOOD at my calling, Jesus gave us a great example, to be Christian means to be Christ like, and Jesus obeyed in ALL THINGS. So, I like being obedient unto God, by being so this makes me good at my calling. But of course, obeying allows the Holy Spirit to operate fully in us. God would rather have OBIDIENCE than SACRIFICE. 

1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Abel obeyed, Cain slew Abel because he was Jealous. God is happier with obedience than sacrifice. 

God Bless

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On 6/2/2022 at 9:09 PM, Charlie744 said:

Sorry for jumping into the middle of this but perhaps you might consider the following:

The 4th kingdom is indeed Rome but which Rome?

The legs of iron is clearly pagan Rome but there is a significant change to their empire. It becomes divided!

The fact that the iron becomes divided and smaller, eventually ending with the toes, shows the weakening power of the Roman iron nation. Observe that the toes do not reunite and grow large again as the beginning of the iron legs are.

 

On 6/2/2022 at 9:09 PM, Charlie744 said:

The symbolic “Stone” (Messiah) strikes the feet and “divides” it. He literally cuts time itself into two.

I think that Dan. 2:34-35 shows the dividing of the legs and toes, and the toes ending, have already happened by the time the stone strikes.

Dan 2:34-35 also shows that when the stone strikes, that the statue is pulverized to become as chaff/(wheat). Since the statue is nations of people, it could be assumed that the chaff/(wheat) is individual souls. This seems confirmed by the judgment scene that follows the stone striking.

 

On 6/2/2022 at 9:09 PM, Charlie744 said:

After the Cross pagan Rome will begin to decline while the eventual successor (papal Rome) climbs to power.

What is the date when the Roman Empire fell and then led to the rise of the little horn? Let's just say 476 ish.

But that was centuries ago. What does that do to the timeline when the toes divide from the feet, if the division is the fall of Rome?

It means that the toes are centuries long and that we are not waiting for them to divide from feet into toes in the future.

 

On 6/2/2022 at 9:09 PM, Charlie744 said:

In Daniel 2 , it still will have the “power or strength of the iron” within it-

The iron is a nation, who does the iron nation have power over? At the beginning? At the end of the toes?

 

On 6/2/2022 at 9:09 PM, Charlie744 said:

but it will no longer be a pagan military type Rome

I don't see where it says this directly. It is implied in places in the Revelation, I believe, but I haven't seen a scripture that says it.

 

On 6/2/2022 at 9:09 PM, Charlie744 said:

. And, the little horn will rise right along and sit atop this new 4th beast. 
Charlie

It is not really a "new" beast, it is just the old beast, changed, divided.

 

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