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Apophis, Bible Prophesy, and the Year 2029

by Dr. Danny R. Faulkner on January 17, 2020

 

There has been some recent interest in the asteroid 99942 Apophis and its close encounter with earth expected in 2029. When discovered in 2004, the preliminary orbit for Apophis indicated that it might crash onto earth on April 13, 2029 (yes, that is a Friday). However, as is always the case, follow-up observations improved our knowledge of the orbit. We now know that Apophis will pass close very close to the earth that day, but it will miss. How close will Apophis come? Its closest approach will be about 20,000 miles (about one-tenth of the distance between the earth and the moon). Apophis’ longest dimension is nearly 1,500 feet. No object of such size is known to have passed that close to the earth. When nearest to the earth, Apophis ought to appear as a third magnitude star moving about 40 degrees per hour. It would be quite a sight for people with moderately dark skies that night.

Source: https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/apophis-bible-prophesy-2029/

31 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Be ready, Apophis will be the DOTL.

....what do you think of the above article by AoG, @Revelation Man? 

Edited May 20, 2022 by B-B

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9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

These preterists believe that all Prophesies have been fulfilled fir the most part, and thus Jesus has is now the king of this world. Of course they are all over the place because t is an incoherent understanding tbh.

The understanding comes from pinning down the details.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Fire only cones after the 1000 year reign, I think this earth will be HELL.

We are at the end of the 1000 year reign and the fire is headed this way, now. Not in 1007 years, now Jerusalem is being surrounded.

The gospel kingdom that started on Pentecost is almost over.

It will end after this present Jerusalem falls and then the resur/rapt second coming for salvation will happen, Rev 11:11-12, Rev 20:9.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No its not, else Jesus would nit have taught his Disciples to pray "Thy Kingdom Come".

Matt 6:10, Lk 11:2, The kingdom that Jesus was referring to is the completed spiritual kingdom of souls that Jesus delivers up to the Father, not an earthly kingdom as in a land mass. 1 Cor 15:23-28. 

Once the Pentecost gospel kingdom of Israel is delivered up to the Father, then it is fully the Fathers kingdom that Jesus made the prophecy about.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The coming Kingdom Age was well known to the Jews to be a time of a Conquering King, that is why the missed the Suffering Servant !!

I think that the people did know that Jesus was the king. All those who witnessed the miracles surly did and the entry into Jerusalem showed that the people believed He was king.

Personally, I think that the higher powers of Jerusalem also believed that He was king, then murdered Him anyway.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Only when Jesus returns does he rule over this earth, Rev. 11 tells us he takes back power from Satan at THAT MOMENT.

The 7th trumpet is when Jesus comes for the kingdom. In Dan. 2, this moment is seen as the stone striking the statue.

When the stone strikes, the statue is broken into wheat and chaff. 

The wheat and chaff are separated and judged and the chaff blows away.

Then the new earth is shown.

This parallels Rev 20:11-15, 21:10 

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

God says in a this in Psalm 110:1

The Lord said unto my Lord, “Sit Thou at My right hand, until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool.”

THAT IS FUTURE.

The process has been underway and will end at the eternal throne of God.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Satan is the god is this world now, Peter told us that, that's why we have murders, hate, lies, hopelessness etc.

As long as there is flesh as we know it now, there will be sin. All around us there is sin.

But within us, we can be free from the power of sin through Jesus.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The 7th Trump is the 3rd Woe which contains al 7 Vials. That has nothing to do with Jesus' 1000 year reign. You take a word/verse just like SHORTLY in Rev. 1 and misunderstand it, Jesus does not BURN this earth up as he returns on THE DAY HE RETURNS, the Day of the Lord/God's Wrath begins on ONE DAY (of course) runs not only fir 1260 days in which he judged mankind on this earth, but then lasts 1000 years, THEN he will burn this earth up. So, yes the Day of the Lord is Jesus taking over, AND Jesus judging mankind, AND Jesus reigning over mankind AND The Second Resurrection of the Wicked after a 1000 years AND Jesus setting this earth on fire as New Jerusalem takes its place. You take Peters verbiage and do not understand the Day of the Lord is nit ONE DAY, its ONE DAY in which Gid DECIDES to start taking back over His authority over this earth. God Speak is not like MAN SPEAK. To fully understand God speak we have to put many, many, many verses together, He wants it that way, so only we via the holy spirit can understand these things. When we get bogged down in one or two verses and don't weigh out everything in the overall balance we trip ourselves up.  For instance, is Dan. 7:11 correct or Rev. 19:20? Does the Beast get KILLED and then cast in to hell or does he get cast into hell ALIVE? Or WHAT GIVES? There is a correct answer, God doesn't want us just guessing or accepting half truths. What is the one and only correct answer? Likewise with Peters answer, he understand that Jesus will rule 1000 years so he understand Jesus' DOTL is when God's vengeance starts the taking back control process. But he also understand the DOTL is Jesus 1000 year reign.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, that DOTL will see Fire engulf this whole world. 

Yes, this is where we are now.

Not looking forward to the millennium, but looking at the coming end of the mill at the second coming for salvation resur/rapt.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

preterist
[ pret-er-ist ]

noun
a person who maintains that the prophecies in the Apocalypse have already been fulfilled. Compare futurist (def. 2), presentist.

It is pretty simple stuff, its WAY OUT THERE STUFF.

Some is, some is not. Like I said, the answer is in the middle.

Basically, the identification and labeling of the 70 AD-1967 time period. 

Both preterists and per-trib avoid the time period in their theories.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Satan BELIVES and trembles, but he's gonna lie to us still, and those who fall for his lies have to be shown the correct answers by those who hear the holy spirits voice, Peter heard Satan who told him to FIGHT fir Jesus that night, but Jesus REBUKED HIM !! Its OK to be in error, but not to be i  a position where one becomes dull to the voice of the holy spirit, even when its being told to them by other Saints in the know.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, this again is taking ONE VERSE and creating bad Eschatology. The Church Age ENDS in Rev. 4:1 when Jesus voice sounds as a TRUMP.

This is a great misunderstanding that is popular.

Rev 4:1, does not show a resurrection, the rapture, or the end of the Pentecost gospel kingdom of Israel on planet earth, the "church".

It shows only John, taken through the door. 

This is one reason that shows that the pre-trib timeline needs adjustment.  

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

We see the raptured Church in Heaven in Rev. 4:4 and 5:9. And now its evident why Satan wants to lie about the timing of the Rapture so so much. 

The souls seen in heaven with Jesus and John are from the first resurrection when Jesus was resurrected in 33 AD.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Seals are opened in the presence of the Church, read Revelation 2:10, 3:5 and 3:21, all three show what PROMISED gifts the Saints

OT saints, not the spiritual kingdom of Israel "church".

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

who OVERCOME receive, and we can see them in Revelation 4:4, they have on CROWNS....ROBES...and sit at God's THRONE. Then, only after the Rapture are the Seals opened. Wat do you think the Time of the Gentiles is? Its the Gentile Church Age or The SUMMER HAVEST of Souls. 

2 resurrections only,

1st, Jesus and the OT saints

2nd, when He comes for the spiritual Pentecost gospel kingdom of Israel/"church"

That's it, no more, no less, 2 only.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Seals only OPEN UP the 7 Trumpet Judgments from a Sealed Scroll anyway, the DO NOTHING !! That is why Seal #7 is over in Rev. 8 with the Trumps !!

The scroll was open and its content known in 96 AD ish. That is when Jesus broke the seals. The trumpets continue the timeline from 70 AD onward.

When the 7th trumpet blows, that ends the seals/trumpets timeline.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

TBH, its worse trying to teach someone these types have gotten ahold of, its like trying to teach a 5th grader 2 + 2 = 4 after he's been taught for four years that 2 + 2 = 5. 

11=3

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No one crosses the Euphrates, it is  Metaphoric in nature.

Why would you think that it is not armies that are crossing the Euphrates to attack Jerusalem at the 6th trumpet?

It is happening right now.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, if you would take the time to read it VERY, VERY carefully and forget what SOMEONE taught you, cause I heard this stuff 30 plus years ago and heard the holy spirit say this is false doctrine in my ears, been there done that. But if you would just SLOW DOWN, you might see that those Martyrs under the Altar can not be raised and Judged unto all of their brothers have been killed in like manner as they have, then in Rev. 20:4 we see they all REUSED the Mark of the Beast and ONLY THEY can live and reign with Jesus for 1000 years on this earth. Not understanding the timing of the rapture makes you easy prey for this type of stuff brother, I mean most who believe the Rapture is mid or post still don't fall for this, but it does make one more of a candidate by nature, all the end time timing understandings have to be pure guesswork.

There will  be 1260 days in which God Wrath falls that POINT starts the DOTL, and that reign of Jesus will last 1000 years.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No Seals have been opened, I don't just guess brother, I know.

The seals were broken by Jesus in 96 AD, the Revelation shows it already happened at that time.

If the seals were not broken yet, how is it that we know what the scroll says? (2 witnesses)

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

In people like your case who believes the Seals have been opened I see a lot of them say SEE, SEE, SEE, Jesus was NOWHERE to be seen and John wept, SEE, SEE, SEE, Jesus only came to Heaven AFTER THAT, thus the Seals have to have already been opened before he died.

That is someone else, who has different beliefs, reasons, and a different timeline.

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Then I destroy this these and they never reply. 

It ALSO SAYS No man in Heaven, ON EARTH or UNDER THE EARTH could open the Seals, so, its just God painting a picture in PROSE, it took a Sacrificial Lamb, not a man, not an Angel, but a sacrificed Lamb or God. Jesus was slain BEFORE the Foundations of the earth, that is why Abraham knew I Am that I Am. So, was Jesus a NOWHERE MAN? Because NO MAN was found in Heaven, on earth nor under the earth. Its just prose, Jesus was the Sacrificial Son of God, the Lamb of God.

Rev 5:6, Jesus could not be found because He was "in" God the Father, on the throne. 

 

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Some people take ONE WORD some ONE VERSE, but I have already heard all of these things long ago brother. 

Some once said to me that they had heard it all.

That was before we really began to talk about things.

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11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

These preterists believe that all Prophesies have been fulfilled for the most part, and that Jesus is now the king of this world. Of course they are all over the place because it is an incoherent understanding tbh.

I'm not a preterist...however, if the Lord is not currently Sovereign/ King, then what does the following Scripture mean?

12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing, 15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

1 Timothy 6

The Scriptures declare that He is King of kings. In your opinion, Who are the other kings, that He is King of, if not the kings of the Earth?

Also...

18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Matthew 28

 

God bless

 

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by B-B

[Marathoner]

3 hours ago, B-B said:

Afternoon @Revelation Man 😊

(Hoping your mum is well).

Re: the above quotation from your post, I'm not quite sure whether you are being fair here. .? if you are making this claim...then it's quite a claim to state that a person is not recognising 1/3 of the Bible, just because they may not be sure that the Lord is returning in their lifetime.

I'm sure you can see for yourself, just from this Worthy Forum alone, that folks don't agree on the interpretation of Scriptures. One believes this eschatology, another believes the other, both fully convinced in their own minds that they are correct and the other incorrect. (I personally don't know which of pre-, mid, or post-trib eschatology is the correct interpretation of Scripture, but neither do I lose any sleep over this.  I'm confident that the Lord is definitely going to return one day, and so I shall continue to look for Him on a daily basis 😊).

Again...I'm afraid that it could be possible that you may have misunderstood the OP post. (Obviously I too could have misunderstood it). From my perspective,  it was made clear in the opening post, that the Author believes that we should all be desiring the Lords return, and that it could be imminent. He just isn't sure if it will be in his lifetime.

I think this is reasonable.

To me it seems that his main issue was about those who gave him an 'ear bashing' over the eschatological issues, being almost OTT/fanatical/maniacal about them, going as far as date setting the actual Return date of our Lord (date, month, year!).

(from my past experience, what I have found, is that the best way to find out what another person really means in their writings, is to ask them. 😀 Sometimes we can presume to know someone else's meaning,  but get it very wrong). 

God bless 

 

 

A fair-minded assessment, sister. We're in agreement.  

What I have found is that eschatological matters among brethren often prove to be a contentious pursuit and this is most unfortunate, seeing as how one's eschatology isn't essential to our faith in Jesus Christ. We know that He is returning and this, I believe, is the foundation of a sound eschatology. 

The time of His return, according to the words of the Lord Himself, is known only to our Father in heaven ('only the Father knows the hour'). Those who insist that "the season is upon us" must concede that they join themselves to a lengthy tradition of the faithful who declared this very thing over the centuries. Men and women looked to the times wherein they lived and believed the same. 

A number of schismatic sects were spawned as a result of these prognostications. For example, the Seventh Day Adventist church has its roots in the Millerite "Great Disappointment" of the mid-19th century. William Miller preached that Jesus Christ was returning in 1844 and when this didn't come to pass, a chain of events were set in motion which spurred disillusioned Millerites (such as Ellen White and her husband) to establish syncretic sects which shed those teachings of Miller they believed were error in favor of their own peculiar doctrines. 

In this way, the error of the Great Disappointment led to further error: former Millerites declared that Jesus Christ would return at various dates, such as 1914 and again, in 1918. The date-setting fetish didn't stop there, of course. It continues to the present day!

Regardless of one's eschatological camp, many agree that date-setting is something we ought to studiously avoid. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with believing that our Savior will return during the course of our time upon this earth but as @Michael37 points out, an earbashing is indicative of an obsession with such things.    

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11 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Many prophecies have immediate local or regional manifestations which foreshadow broader future fulfillments.  

In the context, the "day" in Matt 24, Mk 13, Lk 21, is the destruction of Jerusalem and not the day of the second coming for salvation resur/rapt.

The day of the resur/rapt is happening just before Matt 25:31, at the end of the parables timeline.

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1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

She's better, she's 87, had COVID 19 and overcame it, she has a sister living in her hometown (Tuscaloosa Al.) who is 106 or 107, I forget, lol. 

I'm so pleased to hear that your mum has recovered! 😊 

Gosh! 106/107!!! That is some age!!

God bless

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8 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

A fair-minded assessment, sister. We're in agreement.  

What I have found is that eschatological matters among brethren often prove to be a contentious pursuit and this is most unfortunate, seeing as how one's eschatology isn't essential to our faith in Jesus Christ. We know that He is returning and this, I believe, is the foundation of a sound eschatology. 

The time of His return, according to the words of the Lord Himself, is known only to our Father in heaven ('only the Father knows the hour'). Those who insist that "the season is upon us" must concede that they join themselves to a lengthy tradition of the faithful who declared this very thing over the centuries. Men and women looked to the times wherein they lived and believed the same. 

A number of schismatic sects were spawned as a result of these prognostications. For example, the Seventh Day Adventist church has its roots in the Millerite "Great Disappointment" of the mid-19th century. William Miller preached that Jesus Christ was returning in 1844 and when this didn't come to pass, a chain of events were set in motion which spurred disillusioned Millerites (such as Ellen White and her husband) to establish syncretic sects which shed those teachings of Miller they believed were error in favor of their own peculiar doctrines. 

In this way, the error of the Great Disappointment led to further error: former Millerites declared that Jesus Christ would return at various dates, such as 1914 and again, in 1918. The date-setting fetish didn't stop there, of course. It continues to the present day!

Regardless of one's eschatological camp, many agree that date-setting is something we ought to studiously avoid. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with believing that our Savior will return during the course of our time upon this earth but as @Michael37 points out, an earbashing is indicative of an obsession with such things.    

Thanks for sharing this information @Marathoner 😊

It's very helpful.

I've never heard of the Millerites, or the 'Great Disappointment'.

A very interesting share! 😀

God bless you!

 

 

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11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Nothing continues,

The iron of Dan. 2 is clearly without any "gaps" in the timeline.

This is just the opposite of what you are saying.

The iron does not stop, have a gap, and then start up again.

The Rome that began in 63 BC continues through the centuries right into the toes.

Rome changes form, the 8th head is one of the seven, but all the iron to the toes is Rome.

One piece of iron from beginning to end. Some mixed clay, yes, but the iron is one piece, continual.

This can only be the Roman Empire and the RCC.

Pretrib and preterism are designed to point away from this and hide that that Caesar and Bishop of Rome are the Antichrist.

 

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

the Beast received a Mortal Wound via the Church,

This is true. The Roman nation did become Christian in the 3rd century ish.

 

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

the Gates of hell could not overcome the Church. 

 

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Rome was the Iron nation, but it returns as the Iron and Clay Beast Nation. A collective of MANY nations.

The Roman beast nation has been ruling the people of Israel since 63 BC. Its rule ended in 1967.

 

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

It is NOT the RCC or the Papacy.

It is Rome.

 

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

More bad Eschatology brother.

 

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

It is also NOT Islam.

Islam is the kings of the east from across the Euphrates and Magog.

 

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

It is the E.U. Nations. Psstt, the Agreement (Covenant) of Dan. 9:26-27 is simply Israel joining the E.U. It is that simple. 

The Dan. 9:26-27 covenant confirmed is between God and Israel ending in 37 AD when Israel rejected the Pentecost gospel kingdom.

Gal 3:17 says that Jesus was the one who confirmed the covenant.

 

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, abcdef said:

In the context, the "day" in Matt 24, Mk 13, Lk 21, is the destruction of Jerusalem and not the day of the second coming for salvation resur/rapt.

The day of the resur/rapt is happening just before Matt 25:31, at the end of the parables timeline.

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Some only see the immediate context, others the future also.

e.g. Heb 11:24-27  By faith, Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter,  (25)  choosing rather to share ill treatment with God’s people, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a time;  (26)  accounting the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for he looked to the reward.  (27)  By faith, he left Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

[Michael37]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

if they know Jesus will be ruling earth within 10 years (he will)

According to you . . . and the fallacy of appeal to your own authority.

What date do you have for the withdrawal of the restrainer?  

2Th 2:6-7  Now you know what is restraining him, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season.  (7)  For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way.