What if the true nature of God will surprise us?

[Jayne]

21 minutes ago, Amigo42 said:

Did Moses literally pen the five books of the OT?  I highly doubt it......................... Most of here including myself are not experts in Biblical studies, but in the academic world the view of even Christian academics varies from the theological perspective.  For example, in some Biblical circles of academic study, it is believe that the the Books of Moses were actually a compilation of material from various priestly and scribal sources.  I believe the sources are J, P,H, and E as the generic names.

Brother, you have just copied this off of the internet.

I've heard this countless times.

The Bible says that Moses wrote Genesis through Deuteronomy and Jesus Christ, in the New Testament, refers to the Old Testament as "Moses and the Prophets".  

I'll believe this before I believe the opposite taught by people who are doing nothing  more than trying to discredit the Bible.

PLEASE - do you own research by reading your Bible yourself.

I've very sorry that you don't believe in the truths of the Bible.  Very sorry indeed.

Edited May 24, 2022 by Jayne

[B-B]

5 hours ago, Amigo42 said:

What if all righteous souls return to heaven and to God who made them? 

As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;

Romans 3:10

[Amigo42]

10 minutes ago, B-B said:

Hi @Amigo42 😊

Would you mind clarifying what you mean here, when you state that the central message is love. Please could you share your understanding of what God's love is?

 

Hi no problem at all.  Thank you for asking.  Well, when Jesus came, the entire message seemed to change when compared to the OT.  Jesus showed that the true face of God is love and he desires that no one will perish.  Jesus said you could hang the entire commandments and the Law on Love because that what they all sum to.  

The interesting thing is if you read or listen to people's NDE testimonies on youtube or elsewhere that's exactly what they say.  Even people who had no faith at all were changed after their NDEs when they experienced  the being of pure love.  These people have in some cases had veridical NDEs where it was confirmed that they saw events and places in totally different locations when they were sitting on a hospital bed being operated on.  These people's souls temporarily left their bodies, and they were able to experience the true nature of God which is love.

[Jayne]

20 minutes ago, Amigo42 said:

However, if you talk to a well informed atheist they can point out what appear to be two different stories in the Bible which is not really a big deal to me, but for some they might be surprised.  Again, I don't think it's a big deal even if true. 

Well-informed atheist?  Are you sure that there is one?

I've spoken to MANY of those "well-informed" people want to teach all the contradictions in the Bible.  They speak of what they do not know.  I have corrected the mistruths of what they say.  Most I have spoken to choose not to believe what I tell them.

Just as you are doing here.

And here you are believing them and not the Bible.  I don't understand.

[Amigo42]

9 minutes ago, Heaven_Bound said:

 So somewhere, North Koreans are seeing something that should say to them, this is God.

 

Oh I agree.  However, I think in environments that are so closed up as this that God's spirit himself directly intervenes in people's souls whether they even realize it or not.  In the end, no one can truly escape God because we are all a part of him since we are his creation.  

[B-B]

4 minutes ago, Amigo42 said:

Jesus showed that the true face of God is love and he desires that no one will perish

Thanks for responding 😊

....If I may focus on your quote here. Do you believe that God made a Way for mankind, so that they could avoid the perishing/punishment/wrath?

...and if you do believe He made a Way, what in your opinion was the way..?

Edited May 24, 2022 by B-B

[Amigo42]

7 minutes ago, B-B said:

As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;

Romans 3:10

Indeed, I agree.  Not a single human is righteous in their own right.  However, sometimes people live up to the knowledge that they have and follow that inner voice that God put in them.

[B-B]

1 minute ago, Amigo42 said:

Indeed, I agree.  Not a single human is righteous in their own right.  However, sometimes people live up to the knowledge that they have and follow that inner voice that God put in them.

Thanks for responding 😊

How, in your opinion, can a person become righteous/be made righteous, before God?

[Jayne]

23 minutes ago, Amigo42 said:

The irony is that at the time of that writing Paul didn't consider his own writings to be "scripture."  He just considered them to be letters to the followers of Jesus that he had led to Christ.  It wasn't till later generations that his letters were considered scripture, but in reality he was just a person like you or I who was inspired by God, though at the time he would not have considered his words to be infallible.

See, here you go just copying stuff off the internet again.  

Peter, himself, includes Paul's writings with scripture.

Many times Paul calls his writings from God, God's commands and ergo divine.  How could he not believe this inspiration from God was divine?

Amigo - I have to ask you - are you a follower of Jesus Christ?  Are you a Christian?

If you are, why do you discredit the Bible?

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[Amigo42]

2 minutes ago, B-B said:

Thanks for responding 😊

....If I may focus on your quote here. Do you believe that God made a Way for mankind, so that they could avoid the perishing/punishment/wrath?

...and if you do believe He made a Way, what in your opinion was the way..?

 

Well, as a Christian, I of course believe Jesus is the way.  However, there are various schools of thought on the meaning of the death of Jesus on the cross.  Some people believe that Jesus died so that we can inherit salvation.  Others believe that Jesus died as a symbol of God's love and that he came to redirect or steer humanity back in the right direction.  If Jesus had not died, his message may not have been as powerful through history.  To me either way you slice it, he still died for our sins because he came to a world of sin and had no sin.  So, he still died for our sins regardless of perspective.