What does the bible say happens when you die

[Dan Knight]

Right, I believe that no one of themselves can be. God gives and maintains All life. His word is Eternal, unbreakable.  I believe that humans can be destroyed, cease to exist, in the judgment.  Are you saying that once the rebellious angels are cast into the lake of fire they will cease to exist? If so, I must say, that is the first time I heard that.

[enoob57]

cessation of punishment is not supported by God's Word:

     

This from Vines NT Words

 The teaching of Jesus here denotes the seriousness this everlasting punishment
Mark 9:47 (KJV)
[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Hell and the people placed there are not allowed cessation of suffering... those saying different are not supported by Scripture!

[Dan Knight]

5 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

cessation of punishment is not supported by God's Word:

     

This from Vines NT Words

 The teaching of Jesus here denotes the seriousness this everlasting punishment
Mark 9:47 (KJV)
[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Hell and the people placed there are not allowed cessation of suffering... those saying different are not supported by Scripture!

 

Agreed that there is no cessation of punishment.  Ain't no coming back from that. The absolute Truth tells us that human beings can "..surely die".

[Linkin]

Yes they will be destroyed annihilated, cease to exist.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, the place where the Beast and the False Prophet also [were thrown], (and they448 shall be tortured day and night unto the ages of the ages).

 

448 ‘They’ refers to the Beast and False prophet who are tortured in Gehenna during the Kingdom. That Satan is destroyed (not tortured forever) at the end of the Millennium is evident from Paul’s statement that “the last enemy that will be destroyed is death” (1 Cor. 15:26) when Jesus returns the sovereignty of the whole creation back to the Father after He has put down all rebellion. Revelation acknowledges the destruction of the ‘last enemy’ in verse 14.

Gehenna (Tophet – Jer. 7:31-33) was originally prepared for “the devil and his messengers” (Isaiah 30:33; Matt. 25:41), but it will eventually be cleansed and become “holy to the LORD” (Jer. 31:40) after the Millennium.

 

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends unto ages of ages,320 and they have no relief day or night – those who are worshipping321

320 Smoke ascending “unto the ages of ages” is meant to point back to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. “Then he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain; and he saw, and behold, the smoke of the land which went up like the smoke of a furnace” (Gen 19:28). The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was “an example of eternal fire” (Jude 1:7). Yet Sodom did not burn perpetually, but rather permanently. Exactly the same expression is used of the destruction of Mystery Babylon (Rev. 19:3), “Her smoke goes up unto the ages of the ages!” Yet her total destruction is also said to be “in one hour” (Rev. 18:10,17,19), with nothing being left at all. “With this kind of violence Babylon the great city shall be thrown down and shall not be found, not anymore” (Rev. 18:21). There is no reason to suppose that this passage teaches eternal torment based on this expression alone. That question must be decided on other grounds.
321 The use of the present participle here (those who are worshipping) in conjunction with the present indicative verb “have” shows that the torment coincides in time with their worshipping the beast. In other words, the “torment” is while they are alive and worshipping the beast.

[enoob57]

8 minutes ago, Dan Knight said:

Agreed that there is no cessation of punishment.  Ain't no coming back from that. The absolute Truth tells us that human beings can "..surely die".

death has always been separation from God ... your idea of cessation of existence is found no where in the Bible...
In fact quite the opposite is found: the account of Lazarus and the rich man...
 

[Linkin]

Mark 9:47

Quoting from Isaiah 66:24“And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”

Notice that the bodies are dead! They are NOT living people being tortured. 

This verse is referring to the return of Our Master Anointed Jesus.

 

[Linkin]

The Rich Man and Lazarus is a parable.

A. An allegory about Jesus (Lazarus) and the destruction of Jerusalem & Priesthood (The Rich Man) 1. All of the elements of this allegory/parable are drawn from four OT prophecies, all of which prophesy the destruction of Jerusalem & the priesthood in AD70. a. Deut. 31:28-30; 32:5,15-29 b. Isaiah 28:1-19; 29:1-14 c. Isaiah 50:6-11 d. Mal. 1:6 – 3:5 B. The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31) 1. A allegory/parable, not literal history. One of the earliest manuscripts, Codex Bezae (5th century, Italy), begins vs. 19 as follows: Ειπεν δέ και ετεραν παραβολην – "But He spoke also another parable, ..." a. The last in a series of parables spoken to the Jewish leadership. (compare Lk. 16:1) 2. The “Rich Man” – the apostate Jewish Priesthood – Levites a. Justified themselves (Luke 16:15 / Mal. 1:6; 2:14,17; 3:8,13) b. Improperly divorced wives and remarried (Luke 16:18 / Mal. 2:13-16) c. “Lovers of money” (Luke 16:14) who had “robbed God” (Mal. 3:8-10). d. Dressed in purple and fine linen 1. “Purple” was the clothing of kings (Mark 15:17). 2. “Fine linen” was the clothing of priests (Ex. 39:27-29). 3. The Hasmonean Dynasty (from the Maccabees) were “priest-kings,” and continued to rule under Herod the Great. 3. “Lazarus” – Jesus Christ, Greek form of the Hebrew “E’leazar,” means “God is My Help.” a. A term applied to Jesus several times: (Psalm 22:16-19; Psalm 40:6-17) b. The name “Lazarus” was drawn directly from Isaiah’s prophecy of Jesus and the destruction of the Levitical priesthood (Isaiah 50:6-7). 4. He came as a “poor beggar,” born in a stable, homeless, dependent on support of others. a. Luke 9:58; 2 Cor. 8:9 5. Full of “sores” – bearing our diseases and infirmities (Matt. 8:16-17; Isaiah 53:4-5 LXX) 6. The “dogs” – the Gentiles (Matt. 15:22-28) 7. Desiring to eat the crumbs (as a Man, humble food) 8. The beggar died – the crucifixion of Christ. 9. Carried by the angels – His bodily ascension into heaven (Acts 1:9-11, cf. Matt. 24:31) 10. Abraham’s Bosom – The ‘Seed’ of the Abrahamic Covenant a. A term used in Gen. 16:5 for Abraham’s intimacy with his wife to produce an heir. b. Lazarus in “Abraham’s bosom” shows that He (Jesus) is the promised Seed. 11. The rich man died afterwards – the destruction of Jerusalem 40 years later in AD 70 a. Priesthood demolished – Deut. 32:19-22; Isaiah 28-29; Isaiah 50:11; Mal. 1:6 – 3:12 12. “In Hades” – refers to the priesthood in exile from the Land & Temple. a. “Hades” is the “grave” of humanity (Num. 16:33; 1 Kings 2:9; Ezek. 32:27; 1 Cor. 15:55). b. The unfaithful priesthood punished in “Hades” (Deut. 32:19-22; Isa. 28:15,18; 29:4). 13. Tormented in the flames – God’s wrath (Deut. 32:19-22; Isa. 50:11; Mal. 3:2-3). 14. Send Lazarus to bring relief – Send the Messiah to restore Israel (Hosannah – “save now”) 15. The Great Gulf – the blindness imposed on Israel (Isa. 6:9-13; Matt. 13:10-15; Rom. 11:7-10). 16. Five Brothers – the other 5 tribes of Israel from the same mother – Leah a. Levi had 5 brothers: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun (Gen. 30). 17. If they will not hear Moses, they will not hear the One who rose from the dead – Jesus. a. No sign would be given to that wicked generation (Mark 8:11-12). (For the “sign of Jonah” see the following article: http://www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/Chronology/jonah.pdf) b. Jesus refused to show Himself resurrected to unbelievers (Jn. 14:19-20; 1 Cor. 15:3-8). cy of the crucifixion of Jesus and the destruction of the Priesthood.

[Dan Knight]

6 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

death has always been separation from God ... your idea of cessation of existence is found no where in the Bible...

And so on one belief, all can cease to exist, on another none can cease to exist, and on yet another belief one group can and another cannot. You gotta love it. It really is as the intro to this site said, we will be at the table talking these things out. I'm making breakfast now..

[enoob57]

7 minutes ago, Dan Knight said:

And so on one belief, all can cease to exist, on another none can cease to exist, and on yet another belief one group can and another cannot. You gotta love it. It really is as the intro to this site said, we will be at the table talking these things out. I'm making breakfast now..

I'll be waiting for the verses

[Linkin]

It is very hard to discuss the bible with ignorance, mixed with Greek philosophy, lol.

The bible is clear that no one has ascended to heaven except Jesus [John 3:13]

The Father alone posses immortality [1 Tim 6:16]

The last enemy to be destroyed is death 1 Cor 15:26

Gehenna is here here on earth near Jerusalem which is restored as stated in Jeremiah.

Do you think the God of love and those in the Kingdom are going to enjoy listening to people being tortured forever?

It is funny how people ignore the scriptures that are plainly explained and twist other scriptures into something they are not. 

In the end, the most important thing is to obey Our Master Jesus and do what is right in His eyes. Bad theology will have consequences. But it does not necessarily mean you will not be in the Kingdom.