Genesis Questions

[JimmyB]

14 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

They are a literal 24 hour day. Because God declares the end from the beginning. The key here is actually in Genesis 2:1 "on the seventh day God finished his work". If you look at the finished work, the days are 24-hour days. The work is days, plural. But the finished work takes place in a day. From our perspective. For God, there is no time and there are no days. 

If you look from the beginning, each day is half the length of the day before. So day one is 6 billion years, day two is half of that, day three is half of day two and so on. So the day man was created works out to be around 250 million years. 

http://geraldschroeder.com/wordpress/the-age-of-the-universe/

Can you spell "rationalization"?  There is nothing in Scripture that indicates that each day is half the length of the day before. Day one is 24 hours, not 6 billion years.  Genesis 1:5, "And there was evening and there was morning, one day." NASB, my emphasis.

You can easily invent a formula that illustrates your point, but that doesn't make it valid.  

[JohnR7]

47 minutes ago, JimmyB said:

There is nothing in Scripture that indicates that each day is half the length of the day before.

I gave you the LINK. This is based on Einstein's theory of relativity. Otherwise, the Bible does not line up to Science if you say each day is the same length.  (Traditional OLD EARTH Creationism) I struggled with this for many years until Schröder explained it to me. You can disagree, but if you do not have a PhD in astrophysics, then tell me what do you have to back up your opinion of Genesis chapter one? I agree with PhD's all the time, but you have to bring something in the way of evidence to the table to back up whatever claim you are making. 

First I said each day in Genesis Chapter one is a literal 24-hour day. This is based on when God finished His work. Genesis 2:3 "On the seventh day, God finished his work".  We have five words here, and the word finished is the main point. You could easily write a book to explain the word: "finished".  God declares the end from the beginning, and He watches over His word to perform what He proclaims. 

Edited August 23, 2022 by JohnR7

[JohnR7]

56 minutes ago, JimmyB said:

Day one

There was no day one, there was a first day. Nahmanides points out, that there is a qualitative difference between “one” and “first.” One is absolute; first is comparative. The Bible, he tells us, could not write “a first day” on the first day because there had not yet been a second day relative to it. 

[JimmyB]

3 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

I gave you the LINK. This is based on Einstein's theory of relativity. Otherwise, the Bible does not line up to Science if you say each day is the same length.  (Traditional OLD EARTH Creationism) I struggled with this for many years until Schröder explained it to me. You can disagree, but if you do not have a PhD in astrophysics, then tell me what do you have to back up your opinion of Genesis chapter one? I agree with PhD's all the time, but you have to bring something in the way of evidence to the table to back up whatever claim you are making. 

First I said each day in Genesis Chapter one is a literal 24-hour day. This is based on when God finished His work. Genesis 2:3 "On the seventh day, God finished his work".  We have five words here, and the word finished is the main point. You could easily write a book to explain the word: "finished".  God declares the end from the beginning, and He watches over His word to perform what He proclaims. 

You said that each day is a 24-hour day and you also said that each day is half the length of the day before. You also said that day one is 6 billion years, day two is half of that, day three is half of day two and so on. So you contradict yourself every time you write a new sentence.

Genesis clearly says that God acted for six days.  That is as clearly stated as in can possibly be.  An elementary school child can understand that.  Why can't you?

As my graduate school mentor once said, "a university is an insane asylum for the very intelligent".

[WilliamL]

On 8/22/2022 at 7:38 PM, JohnR7 said:

I used to trace down the so-called contradictions, and they could all be explained, and there are no contradictions in the Bible. It is impossible for there to be any contradictions.

Impossible for errors of men to be in the Bible? Right.

There are multiple contradictions between the Gospel writers alone, just in their different accounts of the order of events of Crucifixion week. Just one: Mark 11 tells how Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem was followed the next day by His casting the money changers out of the Temple. (His account is correct: the triumphal entry was on a Sabbath, when no commerce was allowed.) Luke 19 says both events occurred on the same day: from which we have gotten the "Palm Sunday" fallacy, which became institutionalized throughout most of the Christian world.

Edited August 25, 2022 by WilliamL

[JohnR7]

10 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Impossible for errors of men to be in the Bible? Right.

Correct there are no errors in the Hebrew Bible. They correct themselves. Every letter has a mathematical value, and the scribes used to count to make sure they did not make any errors. 

Hebrew was the language God used to create all of Creation. Each letter in our alphabet is actually a symbol. During the Kingdom age people will understand this a lot better then they currently do. 

[JohnR7]

10 hours ago, WilliamL said:

There are multiple contradictions between the Gospel writers alone

There are no contradictions, and I have checked many of them, to verify that there are no contradictions in the original text. There are massive translation and interpretation problems. I believe the KJV is authorized, but there are still huge problems. For example, they talk about Adam and Eve and fig leaves. Even people draw a picture with Adam and Eve wearing leaves. People have been making clothing for the last 40,000 years. They would use the fiber from the fig tree, but this was more decoration and did not really keep them warm. People may not understand what life was like before insulation. I used to have down jackets to keep warm in the winter.  We find a lot of translation and interpretation issues like this. But there is no problem with the original language. 

[JohnR7]

On 8/23/2022 at 4:12 PM, JimmyB said:

So you contradict yourself every time you write a new sentence.

I do not contradict myself at all. You have to understand Einstein's theory of relativity. Or click on the link and read the article written by Gerold Schroeder. I can add nothing to what he is showing us. He is a PhD and a professor at a university, so this is the Bible school level of understanding. If you are not able to function at a college level, then you're going to have trouble understanding what Schroeder is saying. 

http://geraldschroeder.com/wordpress/the-age-of-the-universe/

[JohnR7]

On 8/23/2022 at 4:12 PM, JimmyB said:

Genesis clearly says that God acted for six days. 

FIRST, the Bible is literal, so a child can understand. Then, when the child graduates from the Sunday School program, they go into the sanctuary and the Pastor teaches the symbolic meaning of what we read in our Bible. YOU will never understand the complex if you do not understand the simplicity. This is why Jesus said you have to be as a child to enter into the things of God. 

Other words can be used: allegory, metaphors, archetypes, homilies, symbols, paradigms, parables. You can do a google study on this. We learn how to interpret the Bible in Bible school. There are basic rules that people follow. I have two years of Bible school, and there are a lot of pastors out there that only have two years of Bible college. The school I attended is accredited. I only need to take a few more classes and I Could get a certificate as a Sunday school superintendent. 

[branchesofHim]

On 8/5/2022 at 4:39 AM, tim_from_pa said:

Then, at some point God created man (actually Adam) and spiritually speaking again to become a son to now rule over the earth and the earth was replenished . 

Indeed. Excellent point.