The Time is Ripe

[AdHoc]

10 minutes ago, Alive said:

I am convinced Nero was the beast, but I cannot get on board with him being resurrected.

 

The difficulty usually lies in between pagan myth - which promotes reincarnation - and the seemingly strange matter that 1st Corinthians 15:22 reports.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power

The first obstacle to be overcome is the widespread belief that a man goes to heaven or hell at death. If this be true, the there is absolutely no need for resurrection at all. Each man reaches his designated destination without a body. But if, as our Lord said, Hades is an obstacle to building the church because our BODIES are the members of Christ (1st Cor.6:15), then resurrection is very important. But even more important is God's honor. He has said that He is LIFE and He has said that He is ALL-mighty. Can the ALL-mighty defeat death? And if so, then there can only be one ending. That is, mankind must ALL be raised from the dead.

In the text about we have the following:

• Adam, a man, introduced death. And it passed on to all men
• Jesus Christ went to death and overcame it by resurrecting Himself
• Because Jesus Christ is the Creator, He is the source of all men and we proceed from out of Him
• If this is so then when He proceeds out of death, we do too (e.g. if He is the fulfiller of the Law and He is nailed to the cross, so is the Law nailed to the cross)
• Resurrection will be administered in a sequence, like a harvest
• Christ first - the Firstfruits
• Those who belong to Christ "when He comes" - that is, 2,000 years later
• Those who are not His after a reign in which all enemies are subdued - 1,000 years later

The Beast should, strictly speaking, be raised with those who are NOT His. But to provide men with a choice between Satan's proxy and God's proxy, it is "GIVEN" (by God) to the Beast, the ability to change times. He is "given" the privilege of resurrection some years before the Church. I do not know God's motivation for this grand move. But I do know that nothing in God's realm remains UNTESTED. Whether it be Jesus driven by the Spirit into the wilderness, or Israel, or the Church, or prophets, or the Egyptian army, or our manner of building the Church in 1st Corinthians 3 - NOTHING remains untested. The Beast, being mad alive "out of time and season" tests the whole world.

[Dennis1209]

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I see the official start of the Great Tribulation as the Abomination of Desolation (Matt.24:15-21). That is, 3½ years into the last week.

I think the Temple Institute don't care about authenticity. Since AD 70 the records of who are the priests are missing. The ashes of the Red Heifer have not officially been found and the implements of the Holy Place and Holy of Holies have never been found since 70 AD. They can erect the building in less than a year (because they don't need all of Herod's additions), but when God makes an end to something it stays broken. Israel today have little or no inclination towards the Law of Moses. But 2nd Thessalonians 2 calls this third Temple "The Temple of God", so for sure, when the time is right, God will allows circumstances for a quick and accurate rebuild.

More interesting is Revelation 17. Mystery Babylon has two departments. (i) The world religious system, and (ii) the world economic system. Matthew 13 gives the Tares being judged and destroyed BEFORE the Wheat. This is in agreement with Revelation 17 where the ten kings abolish world religion so that all worship can be focused on the beast and ultimately the Dragon. That event is not going to go down lightly. Imagine telling 1.3 billion Catholics and 1.6 billion Muslims that what they believed for centuries is invalid. And then the Jews will face their darkest hour. The embracing of a Gentile king, his politics and ultimately putting him in Jehovah's Seat in the most holy place. From a Christian perspective, this must overshadow any threat of war.

The ten kings don't present much of a problem in my mind. If you do your homework you will find that many nations have one or more families who claim ancestry to kings of their country. What is perhaps important is that Democracy is a weak form of Government (clay) and those nations who are economic powers like Germany and Japan tend to want a "go-getter" leader. Although it is taboo, Hitler is still venerated in certain circles because his strong-arm leadership benefited many Germans. It would not take much to sway the more diligent nations to elect a king, even if it s under the mantle of Democracy. After all, the Biblical view is "IRON and clay".

I share your view that the Beast is a man and he's been around before. I have about seven proofs for who he is. Here are some:

1. Daniel 9 makes him a "prince of the people who destroyed the Temple". He must be a Roman
2. He comes out of the "sea". The sea in parable is the Nations
3. He comes out of the Abyss. He lived before and died
4. He is one seven kings of John's time - he must be a Roman
5. He is one of five who have died - a Roman Caesar
6. He is number eight. "Eight" is the biblical number of resurrection
7. He is connected with seven hills. Of the six world powers of history, only one citadel is on seven hills - Rome
8. He was, is and is to come - the same language that is used for our resurrected Lord Jesus
9. Of the five previous Caesars, ONE NAME fits the Numerics of 666 in both Hebrew and Greek - Caesar Nero
10. He is resurrected out of time, but this was "given" him (Dan.7:25)
11. Nero was a cunning statesman
12. Nero was the greatest persecutor of Christians ever
13. Nero believed he was deity
14. Each one by themselves is not decisive. But what are the odds of them all being correct.
15. The Beast does not die twice. He goes to the Lake of Fire alive

I don't hold that Babylon must be rebuilt. The four world powers of Daniel 2 have Babylon as their "Head". God designates this as gold. The religion that was practiced by all six world powers was that of Nimrod's Babylon. Religion is more powerful than any political system. Men will more likely die for their God than their king. The destruction of the ten toes bring the whole effigy of Daniel 2 down even though three quarters of it does not exist today.. For this to happen the effigy is more than a series of obsolete nations. Babylon in Revelation is "Mystery" Babylon. If I am right and Babylon is religious Babylon, then (i) there is no need to rebuild the city, (ii) the religion of the city lives on today, (iii) Babylon exercises major political and religious power without existing as a single building.

I am the first one to go for the literal meaning, but Babylon, like its counterpart New Jerusalem, is symbolic (Rev.1:1).

We can glean a lot of information from Antichrist’s many names, titles, and descriptions. From the preponderance of biblical data, it does appear that the A/C is a type or shadow of Nero or Antiochus IV Epiphanes, and it very well could be.

One of the titles of Antichrist is “the Assyrian.” Based on the singular wording, no specific king such as Shalmaneser identified with the long oppression of Israel by Assyria; I think this refers to the Antichrist.

Isaiah 10:5 (KJV) O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

Rome is a long way from Assyria. Do you see any connection between Nero to being Assyrian? In addition, there are hints in the Bible that Antichrist is a descendent from the tribe of Dan, if I recall correctly.

Daniel 11:37 (KJV) Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Nero and Epiphanes thought of themselves as gods and were worshipped as such. They also had a laundry list of other Pagan deities they worshiped, including an unknown god in case they missed one. The God (singular) of his father’s suggests One God, the God of Israel.

Satan mimics God, and he establishes the un-holy trinity; Father (Satan), Son (Antichrist), and Holy Spirit (False Prophet). There is no doubt Satan has a “seed” in the literal sense and produces a son(s) of his own.

Genesis 3:15 (KJV) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Seed: 2446 זֶרַע (zě·rǎʿ): n.masc.; ≡ Str 2233; TWOT 582a—1. LN 3.35 seed, i.e., a kernel part of a plant that propagates the species (Ge 1:11); 2. LN 8.70–8.77 semen, i.e., the product of the male genitals (Lev 15:16); 3. LN 9.41–9.45 child, i.e., one that is the direct offspring (Ge 15:3); 4. LN 10.14–10.48 offspring, descendant, posterity, i.e., one that is related more than one generation removed (Ge 3:15); 5. LN 11.90–11.95 family, clan, i.e., an extended family group based on a common ancestor (Ge 19:32, 34); 6. LN 11.12–11.54 race, i.e., a very extended family line based on many different criteria, with a focus on religious ties (Ezr 9:2); 7. LN 67.163–67.200 unit: יוֹם

Swanson, James. Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament), Electronic ed., Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997.

The Trinity was present as One at the baptism and start of Jesus’s ministry. The Holy Spirit descended and landed on Jesus, and the Father spoke.

Satan will indwell his son; the False Prophet will perform miracles in his presence, mimicking god.

As I mentioned, only two are said to be the Son of Perdition, Satan, and Judas Iscariot. Perdition seems to be a condition and destruction. Only with Judas is it said:

Acts 1:25 (KJV) That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

The verbiage is a unique and one-of-a-kind cryptic language if this is Hell or self-destruction. Could Judas be the first and only person sent to the Abyss awaiting something?

John 13:27 (KJV) And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

We cannot know who the Antichrist is until he is revealed, but it is interesting trying to exclude who it cannot be. A big hint is he will come out of obscurity, as Obama did.

Interestingly, it is not stated that the False Prophet cannot be determined in advance. The clues given in Revelation and elsewhere seem to be a no-brainer. The Saint Malachy Pope prophecies are also fascinating, and he appears like a lamb and speaks like a dragon, sounding familiar.

[Keiw1]

7 hours ago, AdHoc said:

In Daniel Chapter 7 it is so, but elsewhere they are kings. Even in Daniel Chapter seven the "kingdoms" are led by men. You can see that "kingdoms" are designated "it" whereas the Beast's, who are their kings, are always "he". It is impossible to make the following a  world power. World powers do not desire women, and world powers do not have fathers.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things (Da 11:37–38)

This, plus my other observations make him a man.

 

He wont be a man-- The 7 headed beast with 10 horns represents all the world powers( political system) that have been oppressing mankind throughout history-They speak grandiose things but do the opposite and make mankind suffer, The god of forces represents their armaments like nuclear bombs. The scarlet colored wild beast is in place now. Its been there a long time. Also representing a political entity.

Its this scarlet beast that will mislead the nations to worship the image of the beast. It  makes that image look good to the mortal heart. So they will think its the opposite of being mislead. 

[AdHoc]

5 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

We can glean a lot of information from Antichrist’s many names, titles, and descriptions. From the preponderance of biblical data, it does appear that the A/C is a type or shadow of Nero or Antiochus IV Epiphanes, and it very well could be.

One of the titles of Antichrist is “the Assyrian.” Based on the singular wording, no specific king such as Shalmaneser identified with the long oppression of Israel by Assyria; I think this refers to the Antichrist.

Isaiah 10:5 (KJV) O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

Rome is a long way from Assyria. Do you see any connection between Nero to being Assyrian? In addition, there are hints in the Bible that Antichrist is a descendent from the tribe of Dan, if I recall correctly.

Daniel 11:37 (KJV) Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Nero and Epiphanes thought of themselves as gods and were worshipped as such. They also had a laundry list of other Pagan deities they worshiped, including an unknown god in case they missed one. The God (singular) of his father’s suggests One God, the God of Israel.

Satan mimics God, and he establishes the un-holy trinity; Father (Satan), Son (Antichrist), and Holy Spirit (False Prophet). There is no doubt Satan has a “seed” in the literal sense and produces a son(s) of his own.

Genesis 3:15 (KJV) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Seed: 2446 זֶרַע (zě·rǎʿ): n.masc.; ≡ Str 2233; TWOT 582a—1. LN 3.35 seed, i.e., a kernel part of a plant that propagates the species (Ge 1:11); 2. LN 8.70–8.77 semen, i.e., the product of the male genitals (Lev 15:16); 3. LN 9.41–9.45 child, i.e., one that is the direct offspring (Ge 15:3); 4. LN 10.14–10.48 offspring, descendant, posterity, i.e., one that is related more than one generation removed (Ge 3:15); 5. LN 11.90–11.95 family, clan, i.e., an extended family group based on a common ancestor (Ge 19:32, 34); 6. LN 11.12–11.54 race, i.e., a very extended family line based on many different criteria, with a focus on religious ties (Ezr 9:2); 7. LN 67.163–67.200 unit: יוֹם

Swanson, James. Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament), Electronic ed., Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997.

The Trinity was present as One at the baptism and start of Jesus’s ministry. The Holy Spirit descended and landed on Jesus, and the Father spoke.

Satan will indwell his son; the False Prophet will perform miracles in his presence, mimicking god.

As I mentioned, only two are said to be the Son of Perdition, Satan, and Judas Iscariot. Perdition seems to be a condition and destruction. Only with Judas is it said:

Acts 1:25 (KJV) That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

The verbiage is a unique and one-of-a-kind cryptic language if this is Hell or self-destruction. Could Judas be the first and only person sent to the Abyss awaiting something?

John 13:27 (KJV) And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

We cannot know who the Antichrist is until he is revealed, but it is interesting trying to exclude who it cannot be. A big hint is he will come out of obscurity, as Obama did.

Interestingly, it is not stated that the False Prophet cannot be determined in advance. The clues given in Revelation and elsewhere seem to be a no-brainer. The Saint Malachy Pope prophecies are also fascinating, and he appears like a lamb and speaks like a dragon, sounding familiar.

Yes. The study of who's who is fascinating.

I put the Assyrian in Isaiah 10 as just that. Isaiah was writing to a nation (the northern Tribes of Israel) about their fate at the hand of Assyria (the Kingdom) or "THE Assyrian" - who is about to be warned too because of his haughty attitude. It is quite normal grammatically as we see again in Isaiah 19:23

23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and THE Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and THE Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians

As to the "son of perdition", I see it thus. But I own that my proof is scanty. Israel have the Law of Moses. When they insert a MAN in the Holy of Holies there is going to be an uproar. When they set a GENTILE MAN in the Holy of Holies there will be close to a revolution. When they set a GENTILE MAN who claims DEITY the opposition will be enormous. So the Beast needs a Jewish representative, who is equally as powerful and charismatic as the Beast to negotiate with and convince Israel that the Beast is the right man. That's why he must come out of the "EARTH" (Rev.13:11). The Nations are the "sea" and the land next to the sea - the sea-shore - is Israel. I judge the False Prophet to be Judas Iscariot. 2nd Peter 1:20 allows no private interpretation. If we stick to interpreting Bible with Bible, the only man ever to be called "son of perdition" was Judas (Jn.17:12).

[AdHoc]

2 hours ago, Keiw1 said:

 

He wont be a man-- The 7 headed beast with 10 horns represents all the world powers( political system) that have been oppressing mankind throughout history-They speak grandiose things but do the opposite and make mankind suffer, The god of forces represents their armaments like nuclear bombs. The scarlet colored wild beast is in place now. Its been there a long time. Also representing a political entity.

Its this scarlet beast that will mislead the nations to worship the image of the beast. It  makes that image look good to the mortal heart. So they will think its the opposite of being mislead. 

O.K. Thanks for the reply. I've read and noted it.

[Dennis1209]

36 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Yes. The study of who's who is fascinating.

I put the Assyrian in Isaiah 10 as just that. Isaiah was writing to a nation (the northern Tribes of Israel) about their fate at the hand of Assyria (the Kingdom) or "THE Assyrian" - who is about to be warned too because of his haughty attitude. It is quite normal grammatically as we see again in Isaiah 19:23

23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and THE Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and THE Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians

As to the "son of perdition", I see it thus. But I own that my proof is scanty. Israel have the Law of Moses. When they insert a MAN in the Holy of Holies there is going to be an uproar. When they set a GENTILE MAN in the Holy of Holies there will be close to a revolution. When they set a GENTILE MAN who claims DEITY the opposition will be enormous. So the Beast needs a Jewish representative, who is equally as powerful and charismatic as the Beast to negotiate with and convince Israel that the Beast is the right man. That's why he must come out of the "EARTH" (Rev.13:11). The Nations are the "sea" and the land next to the sea - the sea-shore - is Israel. I judge the False Prophet to be Judas Iscariot. 2nd Peter 1:20 allows no private interpretation. If we stick to interpreting Bible with Bible, the only man ever to be called "son of perdition" was Judas (Jn.17:12).

No matter how God’s end-time plan unfolds according to His purpose, regardless of who is closer to understanding it. It is exciting to live in the generation watching all these things come to fruition.

The Lord was talking about His second coming at the end of the Tribulation. When you see all these things (we are seeing it all shape up in birth pains), look up, for your redemption draweth nigh.

Many Christians, Bible students, and scholars who are prophetic watchmen, paying attention to world affairs, societal breakdown, humanism, moral decay, planned global reset, etc. Checking off each one in Matthew chapter 24 and elsewhere, see the Tribulation as very close.

We are seeing those things that no preceding generation did, every one of them. One who believes Jesus’s bride will not suffer the wrath of God, judgment, and punishment in any part of the seven years (pre-trib). If we see the Tribulation on the horizon, the catching up in the air of Christ’s bride is even closer.

I am not a date setter, but by reason of the generation that sees Israel reborn as a nation, and Psalm 90:10 put together. Right now, until 2027 has some possibilities for prophetic fulfillment. Time will tell.

[Keiw1]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

O.K. Thanks for the reply. I've read and noted it.

The image is-- peace and security--1Thess 5:3-- The exact inscription on the statue of the beast mexico sent to the united nations.