Megalodon teeth abundant in a west Java village, how does Bible explain this ?

[R. Hartono]

https://www.detik.com/jabar/budaya/d-6244440/melihat-lagi-perburuan-fosil-gigi-hiu-purba-megalodon-di-sukabumi 

Villagers sell this Megalodon teeth for money. Bible says God created big fishes at sea, what has happened in history of the earth as this teeth are found in a village at Sukabumi, west Java 60 miles from sea ? 

If giant fishes were taken and trapped onto land by the Noah flood why there are African Rhinos at the lowland in southwest Java, which shows that all land was connected with Africa before the flood. Rhinos live at lowland like in Africa. They were not perished by the flood.

Edited August 20, 2022 by R. Hartono

[HAZARD]

During The flood caused by the rebellion of Lucifer we have scriptures which describe how the waters were removed from the earth. And during Noahs flood we have scriptures describing how the waters were removed from the earth. Look them up and see what happened. 

L.F. Lucifers flood, and N.F. Noahas flood. These scriptures explain how fish and animals remains and shells are found on mountains and eve deserts.

 

L.F. No continued abating of the waters off the earth (Gen. 1:6-12).
N.F. Continued abating of the waters from the earth by evaporation (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. Waters taken off the earth rapidly in one day (Gen. 1:10).
N.F. Months of waters abating off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. God supernaturally takes waters off the earth (Gen. 1:6-12).
N.F. Natural work of evaporation of the waters off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. No rebuke or miraculous work in fled away (Gen. 1:6-12 ; Ps. 104:7).
N.F. No rebuke or miraculous work is taking waters off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. The waters on earth in Gen. 1:2, hasted away when rebuked (Gen. 1:6-2 ; Ps. 104:9).
N.F. The bounds already eternally set for waters in Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. All fish were totally destroyed in flood of Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. No fish were destroyed of created again after Noah's flood (Gen. 1:20-23 ; 6:18-22).

[R. Hartono]

2 hours ago, HAZARD said:

During The flood caused by the rebellion of Lucifer we have scriptures which describe how the waters were removed from the earth. And during Noahs flood we have scriptures describing how the waters were removed from the earth. Look them up and see what happened. 

L.F. Lucifers flood, and N.F. Noahas flood. These scriptures explain how fish and animals remains and shells are found on mountains and eve deserts.

 

L.F. No continued abating of the waters off the earth (Gen. 1:6-12).
N.F. Continued abating of the waters from the earth by evaporation (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. Waters taken off the earth rapidly in one day (Gen. 1:10).
N.F. Months of waters abating off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. God supernaturally takes waters off the earth (Gen. 1:6-12).
N.F. Natural work of evaporation of the waters off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. No rebuke or miraculous work in fled away (Gen. 1:6-12 ; Ps. 104:7).
N.F. No rebuke or miraculous work is taking waters off the earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. The waters on earth in Gen. 1:2, hasted away when rebuked (Gen. 1:6-2 ; Ps. 104:9).
N.F. The bounds already eternally set for waters in Gen. 8:1-14).

L.F. All fish were totally destroyed in flood of Gen. 1:2 ; Jer. 4:23-26).
N.F. No fish were destroyed of created again after Noah's flood (Gen. 1:20-23 ; 6:18-22).

What is Lucifer flood ? Never heard of it in the Bible.

[Amigo42]

This is my personal opinion.  However, let's maybe just be honest and realize that the Bible doesn't give us every answer.  There are several flood narratives from the ancient world that are very similar to the Noah's ark story.  To me this is just that there really was some type of great flood event at some point in early history.  However, I think that the details may be a bit fuzzy and also I think that.  What if a flood event in Earth's history left an indelible impression on mankind.  It may have been global to early humans because that was all that was known at that time.  I don't know.  Only God knows.  I don't think we should get too caught up on the literal aspect of the flood story and focus on the message.

 

[AdHoc]

7 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

https://www.detik.com/jabar/budaya/d-6244440/melihat-lagi-perburuan-fosil-gigi-hiu-purba-megalodon-di-sukabumi 

Villagers sell this Megalodon teeth for money. Bible says God created big fishes at sea, what has happened in history of the earth as this teeth are found in a village at Sukabumi, west Java 60 miles from sea ? 

If giant fishes were taken and trapped onto land by the Noah flood why there are African Rhinos at the lowland in southwest Java, which shows that all land was connected with Africa before the flood. Rhinos live at lowland like in Africa. They were not perished by the flood.

The flood over Lucifer's work (Gen.1:2) and the flood over the days of Noah (Gen.6-8) were intended to wipe out, from memory, what went on on the earth. God did a great job of it. All our speculation is caused by Jehovah purging the earth with such effectiveness that men hit a wall in their research. Some men admire such power and efficiency - and praise God. Other's are offended by their ignorance and start to speculate - with conflicting evidence. Let us learn from God's Words. The next time He "floods" the earth it will be with fire. Here is His promise about what will remain.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.  (Rev.21:4–5)

[Jayne]

8 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

https://www.detik.com/jabar/budaya/d-6244440/melihat-lagi-perburuan-fosil-gigi-hiu-purba-megalodon-di-sukabumi 

Villagers sell this Megalodon teeth for money. Bible says God created big fishes at sea, what has happened in history of the earth as this teeth are found in a village at Sukabumi, west Java 60 miles from sea ? 

If giant fishes were taken and trapped onto land by the Noah flood why there are African Rhinos at the lowland in southwest Java, which shows that all land was connected with Africa before the flood. Rhinos live at lowland like in Africa. They were not perished by the flood.

Brother, the Bible says that everything that walked or swarmed and breathed through nostrils on the ground died.

"Every living thing that moved on the earth perished--birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark."  = Genesis 7:21-23

Science has shown that there are marine fossils everywhere - even on top of Mt. Everest - not just Megalodon teeth at Sukabumi.

The Bible says that no marine animals were on the ark. Here's the scriptural proof.  Were fish and sea creatures also destroyed during the Flood (Genesis 6-8)? | GotQuestions.org  Those God intended to survive from the sea stayed in the sea.  Many were killed.  That's evident with marine fossils everywhere.

It's like this.  Have you ever shook a snow globe and watch the little white pieces go EVERYWHERE and then settle back to the bottom?

It's like that.  The Great Flood carried all that marine life EVERYWHERE.  Many, many died in God's wrathful turmoil.  

THAT'S why fossils of sea creatures can be found all over the earth - even mountain tops.

 

[Jayne]

6 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

What is Lucifer flood ? Never heard of it in the Bible.

I whole-heartedly do not believe in the Gap Theory or Lucifer's Flood.  It's not in the Bible.  There are good and decent people who believe this, and I am not trying to bash anyone.

R. Hartono, here's how this belief came about.

• Some of these people are trying to make evolution and the six-day creation mesh or dovetail together like jigsaw puzzles pieces connect. This idea didn't come about until relatively modern science created the idea of evolution and the debate between evolution and creationism began.  It's not that some of these believe in a strict evolution, but they are trying to "force" the timelines to match.  As I said, it's a way of trying to mesh the two.  They believe that between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 that million and millions of years passed by - with animal life and soul-less humans living and dying on the perfect earth.

 

• They believe that suddenly, the devil was cast out of heaven for his wickedness along with his demon-angels and they ruined the perfect earth.  That's what they believe that Genesis 1:2 means - "the earth was without form and void".  And they believe that the phrase "and darkness covered the face of the deep" as to mean a flood came because of some sort of "darkness" or, to them, meaning evil.  Sometimes darkness is just the absence of light.  That's what I take it to mean here.

Here is how I interpret Genesis 1:1-2.

• Genesis 1:1 - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."  This is informing the reader, from the get-go of reading the Bible that everything comes from God and came from him from the start.
• Genesis 1:2 - "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."  First the Bible says God made everything and now, in verse 2, begins the explanation of HOW and the order of what he did.  JUST LIKE Genesis chapter 1 tells how and the order of what he did and Genesis chapter 2 recaps much more detail of day six.  

Genesis chapter 1 is NOT a re-creation.  It's THE creation. 

 

[teddyv]

12 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

https://www.detik.com/jabar/budaya/d-6244440/melihat-lagi-perburuan-fosil-gigi-hiu-purba-megalodon-di-sukabumi 

Villagers sell this Megalodon teeth for money. Bible says God created big fishes at sea, what has happened in history of the earth as this teeth are found in a village at Sukabumi, west Java 60 miles from sea ? 

If giant fishes were taken and trapped onto land by the Noah flood why there are African Rhinos at the lowland in southwest Java, which shows that all land was connected with Africa before the flood. Rhinos live at lowland like in Africa. They were not perished by the flood.

Geological maps of Java Island indicate that this area is mainly Pliocene marine sediments and is known for abundant marine fossils. It has been subsequently uplifted, most likely due to the subduction of the Indian plate under the island. 

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The Bodjong Formation is a fossil locality renowned for its abundance of marine molluscs. The Bodjong is located in Indonesia, in the western region of the island of Java. The fossils from the formation represent organisms that thrived during the Pliocene epoch, at the end of the Tertiary period. (here)

That link mainly discusses molluscs and bivalves and other more simple creatures, which are generally more valuable for stratigraphic purposes. Megalodon went extinct about 3.6 million years ago. The Pliocene was from 5.4-2.4 million years ago, so these creatures were still present.

[HAZARD]

12 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

What is Lucifer flood ? Never heard of it in the Bible.

Scriptures show that originally, Long before Adam and Eve were created, God created the Earth and placed Lucifer as ruler of the society there.

 

God gave Lucifer control of the Earth kingdom (Rev. 12:12; Ezek. 28:11-18; Isa. 14:12-14).

Lucifer obeyed God and ruled for an unknown time before "Iniquity was found in him. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" (Ezek. 28:13-15).

Before Adam Lucifer was the ruler of the Earth.

God is taking about Lucifer in these Scriptures. He was a perfectly created arc angel;

 

"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" (Ezek. 28:13-15).

Lucifer wanted to control the universe and knock God off His throne. He over a long period of time convinced one third of God's angels to rebell with him and they rebelled against God and His universal rule, and invaded heaven to try and de-throne God Himself. (Ezek 28:17; Isa. 14:12-14).

Naturally Lucifer was defeated, and his kingdom on the earth was totally destroyed by a flood and by the fierce anger of God (Gen. 1;2; Jer. 4:23-26; Ps. 104:5-9; 2 Pet. 3:5-6), hence the severe geological contortions of the earth's crust, vast deposits of bones in various places world wide, fossiles thousands or millions of years old etc. The earth was turned upside down in this process, ever wondered why the moon is poc marked by countless craters, and yet we never see anything plowing into it these days causing such destruction. What about the other dead planets in our immediate solar system? The flood God caused to cover the earth remained for an unknown period of time, and then God, in six days restored the earth to a habitable state and made Adam and his creation to carry out the original plan of God concerning the Earth (Gen. 1:3-2:25).

Lucifer and his spirit rebels caused man to fall and by this regained dominion of the earth through Adams submission (2 Cor. 11:3; Eph. 2:1-3; 6:10-18; Rom. 5:12-21). Lucifer has been in control ever since and he will remain in control untill the second coming of Jesus Christ who will put down all rebellion in the Millennium. God will then finally make a New heavens and a New Earth wherein dwelleth righteousness forever (1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 19:11-22:5).

This doctrine is so simple for most men to understand, so they reject it. Especially many churches for some reason.

2 Peter 3:5-7 expresses this clearly in plain human language, "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing (emerging) out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world THAT THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, PERISHED:

But the heavens and the Earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

This is where people become confused and say the world "that then was," was the world before Noah's flood, but this cannot be because:

If the world that THAT THEN WAS" is that between Adam and the flood of Noah, then God created The heavens and the Earth WHICH ARE NOW" since the flood of Noah. Noah and his family lived prior to his flood and after it. The world "THAT THEN WAS PERISHED" and everything in it also perished. What change could Noah's flood make to the heavens? None, for floods on Earth can never cover the heavens. The earth, vegetation, the heavens, all remained the same after Noah's flood.

Peter, in (2 Peter 3:3-7) taught that scoffers were totally ignorant of the flood that destroyed the social system and the earth "that then was" (lucifers flood). These scoffers all knew of Noah's flood and still know today. This proves that the truth of the flood that destroyed the original creation was hidden from them, while they knew about Noah's flood.

What was it that the scoffers were ignorant of unless it was the destruction of the social system before Adam?

This is the doctrin of which men are still ignorant of, which they call "the gap theory." Peter said that the scoffers were willingly ignorant of this truth showing that it is a clear doctrin of Scripture if men would stop being ignorant of it. There are many Scriptures that make this doctrin clear; so "If any man wants to be ignorant, let him be ignorant," as Paul expressed in (1 Cor. 14:38).

Peter said these scoffers of the last days, the days we are in now, since Noah, would be ignorant of the fact that the heavens were of old; that the social system ruled by Lucifer on the old Earth perished by water; that the heavens and the Earth since the six days of restoration are kept in store to be purified again- the next time by fire; that the Lord is not slack concerning His promises of final restoration of the earth to its third perfect state; and that God was longsuffering to all men, not willing that any should perish, but all come to repentance. In Isa. 14:12-14 we have statements which cannot possibly of an earthly King. The passage is universally refering to the fall of Satan. We can quote it and note the facts.

"How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which dist weaken the nations! For thou art hast said in thine heart, I WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN, I WILL EXALT MY THRONE above the stars of God: I WILL sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I WILL ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL BE like the most High," Now note the following facts this passage proves of Satan:

1. That his name is Lucifer.

2. That he was a son of the morning, and therefore, no earthly man.

3. That he fell from Heaven. This could never be spoken of a man. Satan is the only person in all Scripture who is spoken of as falling from Heaven (Luke 10:18).

4. That he was cut down to the ground in his fall.

5. That he weakened the nations on Earth.

6. That he was exalted in his heart.

7. That he invaded hHeaven where God rules.

8. That he was a KING, for he had a Throne and SUBJECTS over whom he ruled.

9. That he wanted to exalt his kingdom above the clouds, stars, and into Heaven itself to dethrone God.

10. That he wanted to be worshiped in the congregation of God (Ps. 72:2; 82:1; Isa. 6:1).

11. That he led a rebellion against God but was defeated.

12. That his kingdom was on Earth, or he never could have tried to ascend above the clouds, stars, and into Heaven. When a kingdom is located under the clouds it has to be on the Earth.

13. That the ground, clouds, stars, and Heaven were already created.

14. That it had to be before Adam, for this was not the position of Lucifer when he was in Adam's Eden. Adam had dominion at that time. Lucifer had no kingdom on the Earth at the time of Adam and he has not had one since in the sense of a visible personal rule on Earth. He has only ruled through others since Adam's day; so this must refer to a time before Adam.

15. That he was not in Heaven when he rebelled, else he could not have desired to ascend into Heaven. He was under the stars, or he could not have desired to be exalted above the stars. He was under the clouds, or he could not have desired to ascend above them.

16. That God's throne is located in the north part of the universe (Psalms 75:6-7). Thus, this passage proves the location of Satan's original kingdom and the time of his fall. It was located on Earth, and his fall was before Adam, for he was all ready a fallen creature when he entered Adam' Eden.

In Coll. 1:15-18 we read of Christ creating thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers in Heaven and on Earth. They were located somewhere in the heavens and on the Earth. Lucifer was given a kingdom here on Earth, as proved by the passages cited above. His own subjects were earthly creatures of various kinds which were destroyed when the flood of Gen. 1:2 came upon the Earth. God created the Earth to be inhabited by earthly creatures (Isa. 45:18). They are called "nations" in the above passages. The demons who are now Satans emissaries could well be the spirits of the pre-Adamites. At any rate they are not part of the creation at the time of Adam. Thus Isaiah teaches the the Earth was inhabited before Adam and was ruled by Lucifer, whos' kingdom was overthrown when he rebelled.

There is so, so much more found in Scripture regarding this doctrin, many dozens of Scriptures support this. If this is false teaching, it amuses me that no one comes up with nothing more than Noah's flood, which occured much later, did not compleatly destroy the Earth, shake mountains, turn them upside down, turned off the stars and the sun so that there was no light. God had already created the Heavens, they were in existence as well as the Earth only their lights were withheld from shining on the Earth thus causing darkness Gen. 1:2. There was no darkness during Noah's flood? There were men and animals on the earth before Noah's flood, and Noah and his family and the animals survived the flood and were on the Eart after it?

That the Earth ONLY was (became) without form and void (Hebrew tohu vabobu, litterally wast and ruin or desolate and empty), as in Gen. 1:2. That there were mountains of Earth that were shaken and turned upside down by an earthquake so severe, which no doubt caused the remains of animals to be deposited in the very depths of the Earth beneath many layers of solid rock, such as are now been found. Noah's flood never buried animals hundreds of meters beneath solid rock.

Many other scriptures apart from those above can be presented to prove the doctrin of a pre-Adamite world.

To try and put this in a nutshell, God created the heavens first, then the Earth, all in the beginning or in the dateless past (Gen. 1:1; Job 38:4-7). He caused the heavens and the Earth to be inhabited and gave Lucifer control of the Earth-kingdom, don't believe me, read, (Coll. 1:15-18; Rev. 12:12; Ezek. 28:11-18; Isa. 14:12-14).

[Dennis1209]

6 hours ago, Jayne said:

Brother, the Bible says that everything that walked or swarmed and breathed through nostrils on the ground died.

"Every living thing that moved on the earth perished--birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark."  = Genesis 7:21-23

Science has shown that there are marine fossils everywhere - even on top of Mt. Everest - not just Megalodon teeth at Sukabumi.

The Bible says that no marine animals were on the ark. Here's the scriptural proof.  Were fish and sea creatures also destroyed during the Flood (Genesis 6-8)? | GotQuestions.org  Those God intended to survive from the sea stayed in the sea.  Many were killed.  That's evident with marine fossils everywhere.

It's like this.  Have you ever shook a snow globe and watch the little white pieces go EVERYWHERE and then settle back to the bottom?

It's like that.  The Great Flood carried all that marine life EVERYWHERE.  Many, many died in God's wrathful turmoil.  

THAT'S why fossils of sea creatures can be found all over the earth - even mountain tops.

 

Afternoon Jayne,

Not to redirect this thread, but it is interesting that the Great Pyramid is covered with microscopic sea life from top to bottom. The implications of that and what it entails.