WHO WAS ADAM'S FIRST WIFE?

[RdJ]

On 4/14/2023 at 4:08 PM, BibleWords said:

Gen. 1:27 absolutely does not say that there was another wife besides Eve.

This teaching would fly in the face of inspired Scripture.  It is totally false.

Eve was the mother of all living.  
Gen. 2:22,23

Gen. 3:8,20

Yes and:

for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.
Acts 17:28‭-‬29 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/act.17.28-29.NKJV

[RdJ]

On 1/14/2023 at 3:49 PM, choir loft said:

 

For instance, the Bible teaches there is no such thing as a quality of human life that survives physical death.  Hell is a myth because the one who dies is dead and doesn't even survive the funeral service.

Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. (Ecclesiastes 3:19)

Nobody wants to hear they need to REPENT, which is also established in Genesis.  

Which one is it? Why repent if you can't even have eternal life?

Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”

And he said, “Bring up Samuel for me.”

12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!”

13 And the king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What did you see?”

And the woman said to Saul, “I saw a[a] spirit ascending out of the earth.”

14 So he said to her, “What is his form?”

And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.” And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.

15 Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”

And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.”

16 Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17 And the Lord has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.”

The dead know nothing?

 

and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
Matthew 27:52‭-‬53 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.27.52-53.NKJV

Even bunnies go to heaven:

For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Romans 8:20‭-‬21 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/rom.8.20-21.NKJV

 

 

Edited May 20, 2024 by RdJ

[Michael37]

55 minutes ago, believeinHim said:

'Lilith' is mentioned in Isaiah 34:14 

Close but not the same. Interesting comparison though.

H3917
לִילִית
lı̂ylı̂yth
lee-leeth'
From H3915; a night spectre: - screech owl.

Total KJV occurrences: 1

Isa 34:14  The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl [ H. lı̂ylı̂yth ] also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.

[RdJ]

9 hours ago, believeinHim said:

'Lilith' is mentioned in Isaiah 34:14 

The Dutch translation says night ghost.

Amplified:

Indeed, [c]Lilith (night demon) will settle there

 

 

[choir loft]

On 8/25/2022 at 8:22 AM, choir loft said:

I like your joke about dirt and ribs.

I find no reference in scripture which declares Lilith is a fallen angel.  If you have one, please share it.  If you have a traditional reference, please share its source.

According to my limited investigation, Isaiah's reference to Lilith the night monster has something to do with a screech owl.  Some people find the night calls of the owl somewhat disturbing. I can understand this sort of reference.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

I agree that Isaiah's reference to Lilith may have been the screams of a night bird of some sort.   It may have been a night terror which is more in keeping with a sudden loud noise outside the window rather than some ethereal manifestation.  

(Or perhaps someone got up in the middle of the night and knocked a pitcher off the night stand onto the floor.)

References to Lilith as a fallen angel are legion - given the popularity of demonic influences upon the Bible currently read on internet sites of all types.  I give no personal credence to any of them, but mentioned it as one of the side issues.  I apologize for that bit of errant reference.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft... (Isaiah 6:9-10)

Edited May 20, 2024 by choir loft

[The_Patriot21]

I don't go by traditions, but by the word of God. Word of God says that Adam only had one wife. It also says point blank that sin entered the world via Adam and eve. Had Adam had an earlier wife who got ejected from the Bible then the Bible is lying, as it was by this Lilith that sin entered. Since I don't believe the Bible to be lying I'm going to stick with the Biblical account and assume the tradition to be straight up nonsense.

And to address the sexist comment towards women, let's not forget Eve had to be convinced to try the fruit and actually argued with Satan before finally trying it. Not Adam. He didn't even ask why. Eve offered it, and he was like if she can do it so can I, and was like "hey monkey, hold my beer! I got this!"

 And the rest is history.

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

I don't go by traditions, but by the word of God. Word of God says that Adam only had one wife. It also says point blank that sin entered the world via Adam and eve. Had Adam had an earlier wife who got ejected from the Bible then the Bible is lying, as it was by this Lilith that sin entered. Since I don't believe the Bible to be lying I'm going to stick with the Biblical account and assume the tradition to be straight up nonsense.

And to address the sexist comment towards women, let's not forget Eve had to be convinced to try the fruit and actually argued with Satan before finally trying it. Not Adam. He didn't even ask why. Eve offered it, and he was like if she can do it so can I, and was like "hey monkey, hold my beer! I got this!"

 And the rest is history.

I've seen a few dioramas. The Garden of Eden makes a good one. 

Getting it just how God set it up is dramatic . . . Tree of Life here. Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil there. Serpent close by . . . and of course Adam and Eve. What could possibly go wrong?

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[The_Patriot21]

2 hours ago, Michael37 said:

I've seen a few dioramas. The Garden of Eden makes a good one. 

Getting it just how God set it up is dramatic . . . Tree of Life here. Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil there. Serpent close by . . . and of course Adam and Eve. What could possibly go wrong?

Copilot Capsule: A diorama is a fascinating form of display. It’s like a miniature world captured within a confined space, allowing viewers to peer into a specific scene or setting. Here are some key points about dioramas:

1. Definition:

   • A diorama is a three-dimensional model or display that represents a scene, landscape, historical event, or concept.
   • It often includes miniature figures, objects, and detailed backgrounds.

2. Common Uses:

   • Educational purposes: Dioramas are frequently used in schools and museums to illustrate historical events, ecosystems, or scientific concepts.
   • Artistic expression: Artists create dioramas as a form of visual storytelling or to evoke emotions.
   • Hobby and recreation: Many enthusiasts build dioramas for fun, using various materials like clay, paper, wood, and plastic.

3. Construction:

   • Crafting a diorama involves careful planning, creativity, and attention to detail.
   • Elements such as lighting, perspective, and scale play a crucial role in making the scene realistic.

4. Themes:

   • Dioramas can depict anything from ancient civilizations and natural habitats to futuristic cities and fantasy worlds.
   • Some famous dioramas include historical battle scenes, wildlife habitats, and architectural models.

Remember, the magic of a diorama lies in its ability to transport us to another place or time, even if only for a moment. If you’re interested in creating one, feel free to ask for tips or ideas! 😊

Indeed, but I fail to see what a diorama has anything to do with the topic at hand here, as we're discussing whether Adam had more then one wife. According to scripture, the answer is a resounding no, the location of such and such a tree is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

 

If we're talking about Adam taking the fruit, there's two sides there-one that Adam was standing next to eve and saw it took place, the other that he was elsewhere in the garden.

But again, it doesn't matter because Adam still took the fruit-without any trickery. The Bible says through one man sin entered the world (Romans 5:12) which leads to the responsibility actually being on Adam which definitely implies a conscious decision on his part, and since there's no mention of trickery on eves part and no mention of Adam being deceived, then the logical assumption is there wasn't any (why would they list the conversation between the serpent and eve and not even and Adam)

So the logical conclusion is Adam took it willingly and knowingly, regardless of where he was in the garden at the time.

So even there I fail to see what an diorama will explain, that scripture has not.

[Michael37]

3 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Indeed, but I fail to see what a diorama has anything to do with the topic at hand here, as we're discussing whether Adam had more then one wife. According to scripture, the answer is a resounding no, the location of such and such a tree is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

 

If we're talking about Adam taking the fruit, there's two sides there-one that Adam was standing next to eve and saw it took place, the other that he was elsewhere in the garden.

But again, it doesn't matter because Adam still took the fruit-without any trickery. The Bible says through one man sin entered the world (Romans 5:12) which leads to the responsibility actually being on Adam which definitely implies a conscious decision on his part, and since there's no mention of trickery on eves part and no mention of Adam being deceived, then the logical assumption is there wasn't any (why would they list the conversation between the serpent and eve and not even and Adam)

So the logical conclusion is Adam took it willingly and knowingly, regardless of where he was in the garden at the time.

So even there I fail to see what an diorama will explain, that scripture has not.

What about the monkey you mentioned?

[The_Patriot21]

25 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

What about the monkey you mentioned?

It was some redneck humor thrown in. Around here, the running joke is when a guy wants to go and do something stupid without thinking, the guy turns to his buddy and says hold my beer, and then goes and does it. 

I was referring to the fact that in scripture Adam didn't even think about it he just took the fruit. 

So I was basically trying to use humor to drive home a point and apparently I didn't do as good of a job as I thought lol