What is lawlessness

[B-B]

Judgement begins in the House of God, and begins in the Pulpit…

[DPMartin]

On 8/22/2022 at 5:40 PM, Wayne222 said:

       1 John says sin is lawlessness. And 1 John says a born again believer does not sin. A believer does not live by his own rules. I think that is what is lawlessness. A person who has his own rules and not God's commandments. So when it says a born again believer does not sin it means he does not live by his own rules. Because even believers can sin and do. 

that would be on the money

 

the way I understand it is, God's Judgement of what is good and evil. or lawlessness if you like, hence commandment. Adam and Eve did not believe and or trust God’s Judgement of what was good for them hence going by another judgement, lie if you like, or better said going by or trusting in words other than God’s Word (commandment/agreement/covenant) about God’s Word which resulted in death. A state in God’s eyes known as sin in man’s case, because man is dead of the Life God originally gave Adam and Eve which is in His image and likeness. Disobedience or disregard for God’s Judgements of what is good and evil for you is not in God’s image or likeness its in man’s own likeness and image that man go by his own judgement of what is good and evil.

 

Face it, God does not walk in disregard of His own Judgement therefore man in today’s world cannot be in God’s image and likeness unless the person is restored into God’s image and likeness through Jesus Christ.

 

therfore the faithful believe and trust in God's Word or Judgements of what is good and evil for them, and not their own judgement. even if they error, they repent or better said penantent in their walk with the Lord.

Edited August 28, 2022 by DPMartin

[AdHoc]

6 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Hmm. I thought I pretty much heard of all the mainstream views, not this one. 1 Cor. 3:15 does say our works will be tried by fire, and some will suffer loss (of rewards). We could say ruling and reigning with Christ in the millennium is a reward.

Are there any biblical scholars that share this same view? I want to study this view more.

The address below has reprinted scholarly works. My favorite is Robert Govett, but G.H. Lang, Dillow, Panton and others will report the same in less intense fashion. Govett was an Oxford Fellow and although he writes in short pregnant sentences, he was writing to other scholars. He will take for granted that you know the bible well. In his work "Govett on the Parables", he spends 90 plus pages on the Ten Virgins - for example. Every possible sensible argument and its counter is handled.

If I may venture an opinion, I believe the Lord raised up these men to "police" the Brethren movement. Much good came out of the Brethren but God always sends men to test, and these outsiders uncovered a fair share of mistakes. Govett was a well known expositor, and well known for his ability to follow any argument to its logical conclusion, but once you touch the Christian with responsibility, you quickly get unpopular. It is such a shame that the five foolish Virgins had to wait till the judgment seat to find out that the extra oil was not for free.

Although I am deeply indebted to all the good scholars the Lord has blessed His Church with, I reserve the right to disagree with them. So there are things I don't agree with and I'm sure there are things I've got wrong as well. I do not count myself in the league of Govet, Pember and co, by far, and I too have many questions. The normal working man just doesn't have enough years to uncover all the truths.

May the Lord bless your quest for the truth.

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[AdHoc]

4 hours ago, B-B said:

Thanks so much for sharing @AdHoc

… I would only add, maybe to give a fuller picture…that sadly the Apostasy has also begun in the Pulpit, those who lead gatherings, and is not reserved to the Pew sitters. Sadly there are leaders of gatherings who instead of leading the true sheep in both increasing righteousness and holiness, indulge in as much unrighteousness and unholiness as the wilfully sinning congregant. 
 

… if the elders/deacons don’t deal with the Pulpit dweller/ remove him/excommunicate him, but allow him to continue in his position, they will be held to a much greater account before our Lord…

It is a sad truth that most of the New Testament was written because of problems within the Assembly. By about 96 AD, when John wrote Revelation, we are shown a deeply dissatisfied Lord and seven Local Churches five of which are apostate. In one Satan dwelt, and in another our Lord was locked out of the door. I fear greatly for the Bema (Rom.14:10, 2nd Cor.5:10). In Numbers 16 we have a scary event ...

Korah had taken a position against the Lord. God warned everyone to take adequate distance to Korah and his hoard lest the fiery judgment overflow and touch some innocents. I wonder if we will have the same thing at the Bema. There are going to be some big tears at this assize ...

45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. (Lk 12:45–46)

It is clear from the grammar that this was a Christian. "MY Lord ... "! And "WITH the unbelievers ... " indicates he wasn't one of them.

You have addressed a very serious matter.

[B-B]

17 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

It is a sad truth that most of the New Testament was written because of problems within the Assembly. By about 96 AD, when John wrote Revelation, we are shown a deeply dissatisfied Lord and seven Local Churches five of which are apostate. In one Satan dwelt, and in another our Lord was locked out of the door. I fear greatly for the Bema (Rom.14:10, 2nd Cor.5:10). In Numbers 16 we have a scary event ...

Korah had taken a position against the Lord. God warned everyone to take adequate distance to Korah and his hoard lest the fiery judgment overflow and touch some innocents. I wonder if we will have the same thing at the Bema. There are going to be some big tears at this assize ...

45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. (Lk 12:45–46)

It is clear from the grammar that this was a Christian. "MY Lord ... "! And "WITH the unbelievers ... " indicates he wasn't one of them.

You have addressed a very serious matter.

Thanks for your response @AdHoc.. it’s much appreciated 

[B-B]

17 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Korah had taken a position against the Lord. God warned everyone to take adequate distance to Korah and his hoard lest the fiery judgment overflow and touch some innocents. I wonder if we will have the same thing at the Bema. There are going to be some big tears at this assize ...

Scary…

[B-B]

Matthew Henry Commentary on 2 Corinthians 5:9-15

The apostle quickens himself and others to acts of duty. Well-grounded hopes of heaven will not encourage sloth and sinful security. Let all consider the judgment to come, which is called, The terror of the Lord. Knowing what terrible vengeance the Lord would execute upon the workers of iniquity, the apostle and his brethren used every argument and persuasion, to lead men to believe in the Lord Jesus, and to act as his disciples. Their zeal and diligence were for the glory of God and the good of the church. Christ's love to us will have a like effect upon us, if duly considered and rightly judged. All were lost and undone, dead and ruined, slaves to sin, having no power to deliver themselves, and must have remained thus miserable for ever, if Christ had not died.

We should not make ourselves, but Christ, the end of our living and actions. A Christian's life should be devoted to Christ.

Alas, how many show the worthlessness of their professed faith and love, by living to themselves and to the world!

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What does 2 Corinthians 5:10 mean? 

One motivation to please God is Paul's knowledge that he will be judged by Christ for his works in this life. Paul insists that all believers in Jesus will appear before the judgment seat of Christ when He returns to earth. Paul is clear in his letters that this judgment is not about salvation.

The judgment seat of Christ is something exclusively for believers, as Christ's evaluation of our works on earth. This refers to an assessment of what each saved, heaven-bound Christian has done "in the body" since coming to faith in Christ.

How has he or she used this life in Christ?

What have they done, for good or for evil?

Paul wrote in Romans 14:12 that each believer will "give an account of himself to God."

How will Christ respond? Every good action will be rewarded. Christians will receive those efforts "back from the Lord" (Ephesians 6:8). The works of those who have lived only for themselves, however, will be "burned up" or shown to be worthless. "If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Corinthians 3:15).

Paul is motivated by the awareness of this coming judgment, and he wants his readers to be motivated by it, as well.

God's grace to us in forgiving sin does not mean He's careless about how Christians live our earthly lives.

We will stand before Him and be held to account for our choices.

That accountability does not affect our eternal destiny.

It declares our time as spent well or foolishly, courageously or cowardly, in faith or in spiritual blindness and selfishness.

The consequences of reward or reprimand in that moment will be genuinely pleasurable and/or painful, based on the choices we have made in our bodies on this side of eternity.

(excerpts from  https://www.bibleref.com)