what needs to happen for the end times to arrive ?

[Sparks]

4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Sparks.

I LEAD you all in the study! All one has to do is FOLLOW ALONG! It's not that difficult. I'm 64 almost 65, and about to draw Medicare. I'm already retired, but it is my PASSION to read the Scriptures! Yesterday, just for fun, I read through the books of Ezra and Nehemiah again, and I study them in Hebrew and Aramaic. I don't "ramble on"; if you'd follow what I wrote, it is an in-depth, logical argument for what I propose.

The colors are simple:
Green is for narration.
Red is for the words of the Messiah.
Purple is for the words of YHWH God.
Blue is for the words of human beings and angels (since many times an "angel" is a HUMAN "messenger," which is what the words "mal'aakh" and "aggelos" mean).

Actually, "God the Son" is a FABRICATED title. He is really the Son of God! I truly do believe that He was God the Word. We're told that much in John 1. But, He has NOT always been the SON! He BECAME the Son! Instead, we read ...

John 1:14 (KJV)

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Most of the time, He claimed to be the Son of man (a true human being), but there were some occasions when He also claimed to be the Son of God, but never did He nor anyone claim Him to be "God the Son!"

In Hebrews, we're told ...

Hebrews 2:6-9 (KJV)

6 But one in a certain place testified, saying,

"What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet." (Psalm 8:4-6). 

For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

and ...

Hebrews 5:5-10 (KJV)

5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him,

"Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee." (Psalm 2:7).

6 As he saith also in another place,

"Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec." (Psalm 110:4).

7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect (mature), he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

And ...

1 John 4:1-15 (KJV)

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Finally, Paul said to the Philippians,

Philippians 2:5-11 (KJV)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus (in the Messiah Yeshua`): 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

So, while Yeshua` was indeed the Word who was God, He became flesh, thus LIMITING Him to that flesh, and no longer having the full attributes of God. Even in the Resurrection, Yeshua` said,

Luke 24:39 (KJV)

 39 "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

Thus, He could GO AWAY from the earth, when He was taken up into the sky! And, He must RETURN in the Second Coming!

I do not hesitate to call Him "the Son of God"; but, I do not recognize Him as "God the Son." He wouldn't WANT me to so recognize Him! That's just a fiction from the Dark Ages.

What did He say to the rich young man?

Matthew 19:17 (KJV)

17 And he said unto him,

"Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

When He was teaching His disciples how to pray, what did He say?

Matthew 6:9-13 (KJV)

9 "After this manner therefore pray ye:

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."

They were told,

John 16:23-28 (KJV)

23 "And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name (on my authority), he will give it you. 24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

25 "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26 At that day ye shall ask in my name (on my authority): and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."

He was saying here that they didn't need Him to speak on their behalf; they could go directly to the Father in prayer on Yeshua`s authority!

I hope you can understand this.

I hope you can understand John 1:1

John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So yeah, Jesus was always God.  God the Son.  I stopped reading the moment you said he was not always God the Son, and that it's fabricated. 

He was Son of God, and God the Son.  There is the hypostatic union in which he was 100% man, and 100% God.

[Sparks]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Sparks.

Just check out the history of the Chanukkah account. There's a REASON why they light the candles for eight days! There's a REASON why they started playing with dreidels!

King Antiochus IV "Epiphanes" was doing his dead-level best to turn the Jews away from their worship of the One True God and Helenize their nation! He made it ILLEGAL to own a scroll of the Tanakh! He made it ILLEGAL to circumcize their sons! He forced them to worship Zeus, and he sacrificed a pig upon God's Altar, polluting it!

A Jew disobeyed these rules on pain of DEATH!

There was a First and Second temple previously, and there is a Third Temple to come where the anti-christ will sit and claim to be God. 

[Retrobyter]

On 8/28/2022 at 5:49 AM, Sparks said:

I hope you can understand John 1:1

John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So yeah, Jesus was always God.  God the Son.  I stopped reading the moment you said he was not always God the Son, and that it's fabricated. 

He was Son of God, and God the Son.  There is the hypostatic union in which he was 100% man, and 100% God.

Shalom, Sparks.

Well, let's be PRECISE, shall we? The WORD was always God, but He was NOT "God the Son!" That's a misnomer. We should say, "God the Word."

John 1:1-3 (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made

Yeshua`, the PERSON, had a beginning: He was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God, He was born, He lived among His fellow citizens in Judaea, and He died. He was raised to new life. And, then He ascended to His Father. 

 

FIRST, one must understand that the person IS the flesh! We don't "HAVE" a body; we ARE a body!

One can find this at the beginning in Genesis 2:7:

Genesis 2:7 (KJV)

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It does NOT say,

7 And the LORD God formed THE BODY OF THE man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into THE NOSTRILS OF HIS BODY the breath of life; and THE BODY OF THE man became a living soul."

Here's the Hebrew:

7
וַיִּיצֶר֩ יְהוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶת־הָֽאָדָ֗ם עָפָר֙ מִן־הָ֣אֲדָמָ֔ה וַיִּפַּ֥ח בְּאַפָּ֖יו נִשְׁמַ֣ת חַיִּ֑ים וַֽיְהִ֥י הָֽאָדָ֖ם לְנֶ֥פֶשׁ חַיָּֽה׃

A transliteration reads,

7 Vayyiytser YHWH Elohiym 'et-haa'aadaam `aafaar min-haa'adaamaah vayyipach b'apaayow nishmat chayyiym vayhiy haa''aadaam l-nefesh chayyaah:

A word-for-word translation is ...

7 And-formed YHWH God (next word is the direct object)-the-red-(man) of-dust from-the-red-(ground) and-puffed in-his-nostrils a-puff of-living-(things) and-became the-red-(man) to-an-air-breathing-creature living.

Now, we can know that "nefesh" means "an air-breathing creature" because of its word family:

5315 nefesh (nephesh) נֶפֶשׁ (neh'-fesh). From naafash (naphash); properly, a breathing creature, i.e. Animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental):
-- any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead(-ly), desire, X (dis-)contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-)self, them (your)-selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.

5314 naafash (naphash) נָפַשׁ (naw-fash'). A primitive root; to breathe; passively, to be breathed upon, i.e. (figuratively) refreshed (as if by a current of air):
-- (be) refresh selves (-ed).

So, the root word, naafash, a "primitive" (or fundamental) verb, spawns the noun form, nefesh.

And this is in sync with the wording of Adam's curse and his death:

Genesis 3:17-19 (KJV)

17 And unto Adam he said,

"Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

Note that God did NOT say, "till THY BODY returnest unto the ground," nor did He say, "out of it wast THY BODY taken," nor did He say, "for dust THY BODY is," nor did He say, "unto dust THY BODY shall return"! The curse of death and decay was directed right at HIM!

Genesis 5:3-5 (KJV)

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Again, note the wording: It does NOT say, "Adam's BODY lived an hundred and thirty years!" Nor does it say, "The days of Adam's BODY after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years!" Nor does it say, "And all the days that Adam's BODY lived were nine hundred and thirty years," and nor does it say, "Adam's BODY died"!

 

 

SECOND, we read:

John 1:14-15 (KJV)

14 And the Word was made flesh, and (the Word-made-flesh) dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying,

"This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me."

The Greek of John 1:14 is ...

14 καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο, καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν, καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ, δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός, πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας.

Transliterated, this is ...

14 Kai ho logos sarx egeneto, kai eskeenoosen en heemin, kai etheasametha teen doxan autou, doxan hoos monogenous para patros, pleerees charitos kai aleetheias.

Translated word-for-word, we get ...

14 And the Word flesh became, and tented in/among us, and we-looked-upon the brightness of-Him, a-brightness like an-only-born from [the]-Father, full of-favor and of-truth.

 

 

In math, we are taught that there are TWO ways to have an INFINITE LINE: One can have a COMPLETE LINE, infinite at both ends, shown by an arrow head at each end of the line, and one can have a HALF-LINE, with a point at one end and infinite at the other, shown with an arrow head in the direction of infinity. (A finite line, a line with a point at each end, is called a LINE SEGMENT.)

The WORD'S time line is a complete line, infinite in both directions, the past and the future.

The Messiah YESHUA`S time line has only ONE infinite end as "Yeshua` the Messiah of God."

Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)

8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday (finite), today (finite) and for ever (infinite)!"  .--------->

This statement suggests He had a beginning, but He has no end!

People think that "yesterday" is also infinite, but that's not how the word χθές is used in the other two places of Scripture in which it is found, John 4:52 and Acts 7:28!

That is my biblical position.

[Sparks]

52 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Sparks.

Well, let's be PRECISE, shall we? The WORD was always God, but He was NOT "God the Son!" That's a misnomer. We should say, "God the Word."

 

John 1:1 is being precise.  "The Word" was a term John chose to describe Jesus that would have clear and special meaning to both Jews and Gentiles of that era.  John 1:1 is merely stating that Jesus is God, and always has been.  Jesus is the creator of all things, and without him, no created thing would exist.

[Starise]

I strongly doubt the Messiah will seat Himself in a temple that was once occupied by the anti christ. 

When He returns, He will be the temple in one sense. If He decides to reside in a temple it won't be that one.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Starise

[Retrobyter]

48 minutes ago, Sparks said:

John 1:1 is being precise.  "The Word" was a term John chose to describe Jesus that would have clear and special meaning to both Jews and Gentiles of that era.  John 1:1 is merely stating that Jesus is God, and always has been.  Jesus is the creator of all things, and without him, no created thing would exist.

Shalom, Sparks.

Yes, but throughout history, the WORD was NEVER called "Yeshua`" UNTIL His conception was announced. We KNOW He's the same Person, but we must be careful in the terminology or we cease to be "biblical!" Both Yoseef ("Joseph") and Miryam ("Mary") were told that His name would be "Yeeshuwa`," transliterated into Greek as "Ieesous," and then into English as "Jesus." And, they so named Him after His birth!

Luke 1:26-38 (KJV)

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in unto her, and said,

"Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women!"

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."

34 Then said Mary unto the angel,

"How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?"

35 And the angel answered and said unto her,

"The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called 'the Son of God.' 36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. 37 For with God nothing shall be impossible!" 

38 And Mary said,

"Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word."

And the angel departed from her.

Matthew 1:18-21 (KJV)

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying,

"Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

Every name means something in Hebrew. His name described the prophecy about Him. "He shall save/deliver/rescue His people from their sins!" That's why He was called "Yeeshuwa`": "He shall save."

One CANNOT forget the one in preference for the other! As a human being, He is always called AT MOST the "Son of God." Why? Because He, as a human being, is LOCALIZED in His flesh! He is NO LONGER "omnipresent!" He could leave this earth, and He shall return in His Second Coming.

He USED TO BE the Word ONLY; NOW, however, He is now the "Word-became-flesh!" And, "that holy thing" to which Miryam gave birth was named "Yeeshuwa`." His title is the "Messiah of God" or "God's Messiah" - "God's Anointed One" to be King over the house of Ya`aqoV ("Jacob").

It may seem like a mere technicality to you, but it is important to understand that it is false to say, "Jesus is God, and always has been," and, "Jesus is the creator of all things, and without him, no created thing would exist."

The WORD are these things, but "Jesus" is "the SON of God" and always will be from His conception and onward! "The WORD is the Creator of all things, and without Him, no created thing would exist." The WORD, in the conception of "Jesus," BECAME FLESH!

[Retrobyter]

2 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

You started: "And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."'" 

This verse is one of a great many which describes a spiritual reality through allegorical language. Many will look at verses like these and draw a literal conclusion because they are not discerning the spiritual.

I just read a wonderful post by Alive called  "salvation is relocation", and it just occurred to me that the next location for the true believer must be heaven! That is what we should be hoping for, the blessed hope and glorious appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ, not "down"here but "up" there!

Any verse that you or anyone presents , although very literal in appearance, has heaven in view.

Shalom, Walter Goraj jr.

Allegorical language will always BITE you in the end! Which comes first, the baby or the PICTURE of the baby? The answer is quite simple, EXCEPT to the allegorical interpreter!

One must first have the baby in front of the camera before one can take a picture of the baby.

An "allegory" is defined in one dictionary as "a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one: Pilgrim's Progress is an allegory of the spiritual journey."

However, an "allegory" is defined as "Any statement of supposed facts which admits of a literal interpretation, and yet requires or justly admits a moral or figurative one."

And, the "allegorical interpretation" (or "allegorism") is defined as "the method of interpreting a literary text that regards the literal sense as the vehicle for a secondary, more spiritual and more profound sense. In this method the historical import is either denied or ignored and the emphasis is placed entirely on a secondary sense so that the original words or events have little or no significance." - Bernard Ramm, Protestant Biblical Interpretation, p. 21.

Before one can have the "interpretation to reveal a hidden meaning," one must FIRST have the story, poem, or picture!

In every one of Yeshua`s parables, He always had at least one element in the parable that represented something He was trying to convey to the listener. Before one could understand that parable, one must first know what the element was about in the parable Yeshua` would paint with His words.

In the parable of the wheat and the tares, for example, the wheat in reality is a plant that produced edible grain in abundance to sustain life. The tare was a weed that looked like wheat, but its seeds were inedible and poisonous in large amounts. Those are just two of the elements of this parable. Yeshua` gave SEVEN elements - REAL things that were fundamental to the parable!

The allegorical method does not interpret Scripture! Milton S. Terry in his book Biblical Hermeneutics said on page 224, 

"It will be noticed at once that its (allegorical method's) habit is to disregard the common signification of words and give wing to all manner of fanciful speculation. It does not draw out the legitimate meaning of an author's language, but foists into it whatever the whim or fancy of an interpreter may desire. As a system, therefore, it puts itself beyond all well-defined principles and laws."

In other words, it doesn't use EXEGESIS, but EISEGESIS! It doesn't allow the Scriptures to speak to the reader, but rather injects opinion into the writing of the author of Scripture!

Joseph Angus and Samuel G. Green, in their book "The Bible Handbook," said on page 220:

"There is ... unlimited scope for fancy, if once the principle (of the allegorical method) be admitted, and the only basis of the exposition is found in the mind of the expositor. The scheme can yield no interpretation properly so called, although possibly some vaulable truths may be illustrated."

J Dwight Pentecost in his book Things To Come concluded from this on page 5,

"The above quotation suggests, also, a second great danger in the allegorical method: the basic authority in interpretation ceases to be the Scriptures, but the mind of the interpreter. The interpretation may then be twisted by the interpreter's doctrinal positions, the authority of the church to which the interpreter adheres, his social or educational background, or a host of other factors."

It reminds me of the time of the judges in the children of Israel after Joshua has taken the land and before God gave them kings:

Judges 21:25 (KJV)

25 In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

Your PHILOSOPHY may be, "Any verse that you or anyone presents, although very literal in appearance, has heaven in view," but you don't get that directly from the Scriptures! This is from your DOCTRINE!

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Sparks.

Yes, but throughout history, the WORD was NEVER called "Yeshua`" UNTIL His conception was announced. We KNOW He's the same Person, but we must be careful in the terminology or we cease to be "biblical!" Both Yoseef ("Joseph") and Miryam ("Mary") were told that His name would be "Yeeshuwa`," transliterated into Greek as "Ieesous," and then into English as "Jesus." And, they so named Him after His birth!

Luke 1:26-38 (KJV)

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in unto her, and said,

"Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women!"

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."

34 Then said Mary unto the angel,

"How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?"

35 And the angel answered and said unto her,

"The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called 'the Son of God.' 36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. 37 For with God nothing shall be impossible!" 

38 And Mary said,

"Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word."

And the angel departed from her.

Matthew 1:18-21 (KJV)

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying,

"Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

Every name means something in Hebrew. His name described the prophecy about Him. "He shall save/deliver/rescue His people from their sins!" That's why He was called "Yeeshuwa`": "He shall save."

One CANNOT forget the one in preference for the other! As a human being, He is always called AT MOST the "Son of God." Why? Because He, as a human being, is LOCALIZED in His flesh! He is NO LONGER "omnipresent!" He could leave this earth, and He shall return in His Second Coming.

He USED TO BE the Word ONLY; NOW, however, He is now the "Word-became-flesh!" And, "that holy thing" to which Miryam gave birth was named "Yeeshuwa`." His title is the "Messiah of God" or "God's Messiah" - "God's Anointed One" to be King over the house of Ya`aqoV ("Jacob").

It may seem like a mere technicality to you, but it is important to understand that it is false to say, "Jesus is God, and always has been," and, "Jesus is the creator of all things, and without him, no created thing would exist."

The WORD are these things, but "Jesus" is "the SON of God" and always will be from His conception and onward! "The WORD is the Creator of all things, and without Him, no created thing would exist." The WORD, in the conception of "Jesus," BECAME FLESH!

I am well aware of John's writings.  Jesus has always been God. 

[Retrobyter]

9 minutes ago, Sparks said:

I am well aware of John's writings.  Jesus has always been God. 

Frankly, you're wrong, and in making the statement for others to believe, you are misleading others, as well.

[Sparks]

9 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Frankly, you're wrong, and in making the statement for others to believe, you are misleading others, as well.

Or you are.  Thank you for your opinion.