The Three Covenants

[Revelation Man]

On 9/13/2022 at 12:25 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

That is a lot of speculation to say this is referring to a pre-tribulation rapture this could also apply to mid and post as well.  Regarding one taken one left, I believe is referring to Jerusalem being captured and people being taken into captivity according to Zachariah 14. 

There are tons of reasons it can not apply top those, mainly because those are INCORRECT, but the TIMING all over the bible proves it can only be pre trib. Rev. 19 shows the Church in Heaven marrying the Lamb (see vs 8) and we are in white and called Saints. Then we return with Jesus from heaven and guess whop is still on earth, the Beast and his armies. So, how are we on Heaven and marrying Jesus, but meet Jesus here on earth at the very end? Makes no sense via the TIMING TELLS. Again, the Rapture CAN NOT be imminent if we know when it happens, we know 100 percent when the 2nd coming happens, exactly 1260 days after the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem/Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. So there can not be any imminence, its elementary tbh.

Jesus is giving them the Rapture, which is not a major players n Israel's history, because Israel or 1/3 of Israel only repents DURING the 70th week as Zechariah 13:8-9 says. But since, of course, there will be messianic Jews, of which Paul, Peter and John were a part pf the Church also, thus there will be Jews in the Rapture, thus Jesus gave that small tidbit unto them because they asked the three questions, when will these things happen (Temples destruction) what will be the sign of your coming, and the End of the world [as it is known now]. 

So, Matt. 24:4-6 is about 70 AD, that is why Jesus says the end is by and by or later on. The false christs in verse 5 fulfills John 5:43, Jesus told the Pharisees they would not accept him who came in his Fathers name, but would accept another who came in his own name. You see, around 70 AD the Jewish leaders expected the messiah to save them from Rome so they put forth "messianic figures" and this is well known, this is not about the very END TIMES (now) this was about 70 AD the end times ARE THE END, they will however be LATER ON, not in 70 AD.

Matt. 7-14 is about the Church Age, NOT 70 AD, people get this wrong also, applying it to events during Rev. 6 etc. it is not that at all. Basically Matt. 24 is a survival guide for the Disciples, Jesus even tells them they will all die save for John and MUST ENDURE until the end [of their lives] to gain salvation, he pre told them this so they would not become another Judas, so they knew what the must face. So, who are the false prophets that would have them killed in verse 11 ? Well, whose clints were they turning from paganism unto God? Those who served false gods like Zeus or Jupiter et al. Then Jesus gives them the biggest clue of all, he tells them that only when the Gospel has been preached unto ALL THE WORLD would the end come (70th week), and the disciples knew of China, India and the Scythians (Russia in modern times) and thus they knew the end would not come in their lifetimes, thus they knew not to go rushing back to Jerusalem during the 70 AD rumors of wars, because if they had they would have been killed. So, Matt. 24:4-14 has nothing to do with the end times, but verse 14 tells us when the end comes, and that is the timing of Rapture of the Church, verses 15-31 tells us about the 70th week. 

On 9/13/2022 at 12:25 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. [Zec 14:2-4 KJV]  This is why Jesus says the people who live in Judea should flee to the mountains and not look back.

I was specifically called unto End Time Prophetic events, its my forte. You do understand the above verses have a 3.5 year separation between verses 2 and 3 right? And that if you back up into Zechariah 13:8-9 you can  see Israel repents JUST BEFORE the coming Day of the Lord.

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

So, JUST BEFORE God's Wrath falls below, we see that 1/3 of Israel repents ( about 5 million Jews), they then flee unto the Petra/Bozrah area where God protects them for 1260 days. Then Israel is conquered BELOW in verses 1 and 2 BUT............in verses 3-4 and on we see Jesus returns 1260 days later or 3.5 years later.

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

{{{ The Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem at the 1260 Middle of the week, and God's Wrath starts in the Middle of the week also. You see, the Anti-Christ can not go forth conquering until God's Wrath falls !! }}}

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 In verses 3-4 Jesus returns and defeats the Beast and all his minions, 3.5 years later. Prophetic events are not like cinematic films, they have to be dug out and understood, its not a rolling sequence of events per se. You see, we get the Day of the Lord Events, Jesus returning, THEN in verse 5 we are told about those who repented fleeing unto the mountain, but they do it JUST BEFORE Zechariah 14:1. 

Add in these two verses:

Malachi 14:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

So, Elijah is sent back to preach repentance BEFORE the coming DOTL and we see in Zech. 13:8-9 the Jews repent JUST BEFORE the DOTL arrives in Zech. 14:1. See how it all jibes? So, now you know who the 1335 BLESSING is, Elijah and Moses show up 1335 days before ALL THESE WONDERS END (Dan. 12:7 and Dan. 12:11-12) to turn Israel back unto God. Then 45 dats later at the 1290 a Jewish High Priest (False Prophet) forbids Jesus Worship in the temple of God (takes away THE SACRIFICE) and places the AoD (an Image of the E.U. President/Beast/A.C.) into the Temple of God. Then 30 days later the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem. 

1.) The 1335 happens 1335 before Jesus' Second Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS seen in Dan. 11:36-45.

2.) The 1290 happens 1290 days before the Second Coming.

3.) The 1260 happens 1260 days before the Second Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS seen in Dan. 11:36-45.

Until one understands the 1335, 1290 and 1260 they will never understand the end tine timelines in full.

On 9/13/2022 at 12:25 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

You are conflicting Tribulation with God's Wrath. 

I think you mean conflating, I will assume that in my further reply.

On 9/13/2022 at 12:25 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

You are conflicting Tribulation with God's Wrath.  The tribulation is Satan's Wrath because he knows his time is short. 

Here is where people just start guessing, because most really and truly do not understand the TIMELINES, I do because I did an Exegesis ion Dan. chapter 11 because I was tired of people asking me about Daniel 11 and me not being able to explain it in full, I can now, I named every king and all the players through much research and along the way I decided I needed to do chapters 11 and 12 (10 goes with it also really) and God blessed me with the 1335, 1290 and 1260 understanding because of prayer and hard grunt work. You see, God Wrath will last 3.5 years and starts in Rev. 8 NOT in Rev. 6, those Seals are PROPHETIC in nature, its Jesus foretelling the Church seen in Heaven in Rev. chapters 4 and 5, BEFORE the Seals are ever opened, what is about to befall mankind on earth when the 7th Seal is finally opened, but he foretells what Satan and his Anti-Christ/Beast will bring over a 42 month period of his rule in Seals 1-5, then he foretells what God's Wrath will bring over the EXACT SAME 42 month period of time, but neither happens unto the Trumpet Judgments, that is why Seal #7 is over in Rev. 8 !! Rev. 7 is the Jews (Zech. 13:8-9) Fleeing Judea for the Petra/Bozrah area, the 144,000 is CODE for ALL Israel, God said he saved 7000 men, God said there will be 144,000 Virgin Men, and God says in Zech. 13:8-9 that 1/3 of the Jews will repent, how can all three be true and God not a liar? EAST, God gives us codes all the time, are there just 10 female virgins in the Church and only 5 will make heaven? Or does the number 10 stand for COMPLETION? And thus mean the WHOLE Church and only half will make heaven? It means 2 billion or so people. Likewise, watch 7 means Divine Completion, 10 Completion, 12 means Fulness,. 8 New Beginning, 6 Mankind etc. WATCH THIS

1.) 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 7000

2.) 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 (SEE THE CODES NOW ? )

3.) God says 1/3 of the end tie Jews will repent, and there are 15 million Jews so that's 5 million Jews.

1.) Divine Completion x completion x completion x completion or ALL Israel who repents.

2.) Fulness x Fulness c Completion c Completion x Completion or ALL Israel who repents.

3.) Well, 1/3 = 5 million Jews or ALL Israel who repents.

Read Rev. 2:10, Smyrna would suffer tribulation 10 days, that means for the entire Church Age !! Then you have the 10 Commandments that stand in for al the Laws. The 10 Kings/Horns is NOT 10, it means Compete Europe reunited. The 10 Virgins represents the Complete Church, not 10 female virgins.

One thing I know is Prophecy and Tribulation/Wrath.  Satan is cast down in the Middle of the week, that why he chases The Women/Israel for 1260 days, it coincides with the Wrath of God's timing. 

On 9/13/2022 at 12:25 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Yes we are saved from the Wrath of God but we are promised tribulation in the world.

Yes, and that means the Church Age is THE GREAT TRIBULATION spoken of in Rev. 7:9-17, we the Church come out of Great Troubles. We can see the Church are REDEEMED in Rev. 5:9-10, no Angels need REDEEMING, the Seals have nit yet been opened !!  

On 9/13/2022 at 12:25 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Yes, the world who gives into beast will continue to marry, eat and be joyful as believers are being persecuted, oppressed and killed.  Regarding the time,  Jesus said you will not know the day or hour but you will know the season of his return. 

No, no no no, they will be hiding in caves, 4-5 billion men will die, they will not be marrying and eating, and being joyful, that's just you (admit it) not being able to answer that point, SMILE. When the 1/3 of the world is destroyed by Fire in Rev. 8, that is North and South America, its landmass = 1/3 the Pacific ocean = 1/3 of all the water on earth,. the 1/3 is God designating the place where the Rev. 8 Asteroid will strike earth. Trump #1 is the Asteroid breaking up as it comes in and thus setting fires before it makes impact. Trumpet #2 is THE IMPACT and thus its as a Great Earthquake. Trumpet #3 is the Fallout that poisons the waters, whatsoever that is, be it some unknown  metal like in the nuclear fallout, or sulfur like in the fallout that killed the Dino 70 million years ago. Then Trumpet #4 is the Sun, Moon and Stars going dark which is caused by all of the burning, the smoke gets in the jet steam and goes around the world, thus diming the Sun, Moon and Stars light by filtering it somewhat, the Blood Red Moon is caused by all of the fires giving it a red hue. All this is going on and you say there is marrying, eating, partying and joy, that's just not reality, BUT......what else can you say? It would defeat your non Pre Trib understandings. 

The SEASON is in reference unto THE SIGNS, the LAST SIGN is the Sun and Moon going dark which happens in the middle of the 70th week, not 3.5 years later. THE SIGN of his return is in conjunction with the Rapture which ends the Harvest/Church Age. The Last Trump always ends THE HARVEST or Church Age.

On 9/13/2022 at 12:25 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Majority of the false church and world will deny that what is taken place has anything to do with what Jesus warned us about and they will fall inline with the Anti-Christ and his followers.  Most of the church world will deny he is the Anti-Christ and consider him a great world leader of unity and peace.  This is why we are warned to be not deceived, to stay alert, and to watch for their will be a great falling away from the faith.  We will not know the exact day nor hour but we will know when he is near.  For many will not be watching or aware of what is taken place until its to late.  Yes those who are watching and waiting will know and be saved just like Noah and Lot were saved from the wrath of God.

The False Church will be here on earth, I will be in Heaven, anyone with reding skills should be able to read Rev. 4 and 5 and see the Church. Read Rev. 7 and see the Church and Read Rev. 19 and see the Church. So, the Church will nit be here so your hypothesis is meaningless. The "Falling Away" in 2 Thess. 1-3 is the Rapture, the very words in the first 7 English translations was DEPARTUTE, not Falling Away, the KJV placed that in there the Church of England seemed to be taking a swipe at the RCC. The Latin Vulgate, the main bible in the Wester  world for over 1000 years had Discessio (DEPARTURE) also. The verse means that the DEPARTURE of the Church and the Anti-Christ must both come BEFORE the Wrath of God comes. The exact day nor hour means exactly what I stated it means, it means the Church will be Raptured on God's time, just before the 70th week, it will end the Church Age Harvest. 

There is a reason Noah and Lot needed to STAY ON EARTH, they had to birth the Messiah, there was a reason the Church had to suffer, we needed top preach the Gospel unto the whole world. Once the Gospel has been preached unto the whole world our mission  is COMPLETE, that is why the Angel in Rev. 14:6 preaches the Gospel unto the whole world !! We will nit be here for the 70th week. PERIOD.

On 9/13/2022 at 12:25 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

The second coming and rapture is the same event.   Paul equates it as the same event:  

 

No he doesn't you just are not comprehending his teachings correctly brother.

On 9/13/2022 at 12:25 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, [2Th 2:1 KJV]

I have a blog that destroys this thinking.

On 9/13/2022 at 12:25 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Also, scriptures does not say he returns with his Church but with the armies of heaven.  The armies of heaven are most likely a reference to his angelic army.  The bible say we meet him at his coming not that we come from heaven with him.

Rev. 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife (the Church) hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Jesus and his Armies leave Heaven

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. {{{The Saints see verse 8 above !! That is why we were given THE CODE so we could solve it.}}}

The Marriage Supper is Armageddon:

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God(The Church);

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. (The Church are His Armies, we are called Saints in White in verses 8 and 14 for a reason, who else is it that Marries the Lamb my friend? You need to stop listening 6o men and start back reading and simply asking God to show you, not with a closed Mind, but an open mind, God can't teach us of we already know it all, I know, He told me that 6 years ago, LOL. 

On 9/13/2022 at 12:25 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. [Mat 24:30-31 KJV]

Second Coming, NOT the Rapture. 

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

@Revelation Man

We will have to agree to disagree being this subject is off topic.  I find no scriptural evidence of a pre-tribulation rapture, when there is plenty of scriptures that says otherwise.  Sometimes people just want to connect dots that are simply not there, based on preconceived dispensationalist view formalized by John Darby and Scofield in the early 1900's.