Witnessing to Jewish people

[JohnR7]

On 9/25/2022 at 12:46 PM, NCAP said:

They may not come to Jesus because it is forbidden for Jews to speak to the dead.

Jesus is not dead. He was resurrected or raised from the dead. There were as many as 500 "Jews" that were resurrected at the time. 

Matthew 27:53 

52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53 After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people. 54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified and said, “Truly this was the Son of God.”…

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Another key point about witnessing to Jews or anyone else is you don't keep force feeding them with the gospel when they don't want to hear it.   Jesus told his disciples to go preach the good news and if they don't receive you leave.

And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. - Mat 10:14-15 

Edited October 20, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

[JohnR7]

5 hours ago, NCAP said:

Can fruit inspectors lighten up just a little bit and not take everything and everyone seriously?

If they quit judging others, then they would have to examine themselves. They just do not seem to want to do that. It is far to easy for them to pass judgement on others than it is for them to pass judgement on themselves. 

Titus 1:15 

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

[JohnR7]

9 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Did God really knock Paul off his horse?

To be knocked off your high horse is figurative, not literal. It is an expression used in the English language. It means that they were humbled. 

[NCAP]

59 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

Jesus is not dead. He was resurrected or raised from the dead.

I never said that he wasn't. But from a Jewish perspective:

1. He is not the Messiah

2. He is dead.

3. The Jews don't speak to the dead.

[JohnD]

8 hours ago, Slibhin said:

I don't read the Christian bible so quoting any version of it is not meaningful.

 

But I quoted Chabad Tanakh repeatedly.

You only grew frustrated and furious by what is there in the Chabad Tanakh and that I quoted it.

[JohnD]

5 minutes ago, Slibhin said:

No, I grew frustrated at the extremely repetitive nature of your argument.

You are addicted to convincing me Isaiah 53 is about Jesus. I disagree and explained why. Rather theb strengthen your case you instead responded by telling me I'm in willful denial. You are not inside my head and I have no interest in that sort of reasoning. You are not interested in talking to me you just want to be right.

If it makes you feel better, or like you've "won" by attacking my motives then don't be surprised I don't engage you.

Actually I am convinced Christianity is the New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah as the outcome of Judaism.

It is therefore rooted in Judaism and the Tanakh was the only Bible available to  validate Christian claims.

I can also say that you have repeatedly denied what is in the Chabad Tanakh I quoted for no other reason than you claim Jews don't believe it.

I am not motivated by "winning" or "being right" or trying to get in your head at all.

I want you to simply see the scriptures themselves for what they actually say.

And to realize that no one other than Yeshua HaNotzri had fulfilled the prophetic claims about Messiah.

You say he did not bring about world peace... unless you count peace with God (available to anyone in the world who believes in his Son).

There are many many more verses in the Tanakh than just Isaiah 52:13-53:12...

Jeremiah 31:31-34

Micah 5:2

Isaiah 9:6

Isaiah 7:14

Deuteronomy 18:15

Psalm 2

Psalm 22

Genesis 3:15

Just to name a few.

So I'm not harping on just one or two texts.

If you do someday come to believe in Messiah I will be most happy for you!

If you don't, or until then, you cannot stop me from praying for you.

[JohnD]

2 hours ago, Slibhin said:

People can be as convinced as they like, being convinced doesn't mean anything.

Israel is repeatedly called G-d's servant not only in Isaiah but throughout the Tanakh. You need to give me rock solid argument why Iarael is G-d's servant except for some reason this one time.

Jeremiah tells exactly what G-d means by new covenant in the same text.

 

"Israel G-d's servant"

Israel the people? No. The language is about an individual. Even if speaking of the people of Israel as an individual servant of G-d, Yeshayahu 52:13 - 53:12 speaks of that "individual" suffering for others. Who are those others? If the servant is the people of Israel, then the others can only be Gentiles. 

The name Israel holds the key. Yisra'el is a contraction of the words Yish means He Sarar means Prince Elohiym means G-d. This Israel / servant of G-d is the Moshiakh Nagiyd.

"Jeremiah tells exactly what G-d means by new covenant in the same text"

Agreed. Yirimyahu states quite plainly in verse 31 that it is not like the covenant in the wilderness wandering at all.  Therefore even placing his Torah in our hearts cannot be Torah as usual (according to the old covenant). And unlike Torah as usual, HaShem's forgiveness of our iniquity is forever. Torah as usual is rather on a sin by sin basis. Is it not?

Yirimyahu 31:

30 Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, and I will form a covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, a new covenant.		להִנֵּ֛ה יָמִ֥ים בָּאִ֖ים נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֑ה וְכָֽרַתִּ֗י אֶת־בֵּ֧ית יִשְׂרָאֵ֛ל וְאֶת־בֵּ֥ית יְהוּדָ֖ה בְּרִ֥ית חֲדָשָֽׁה:
31 Not like the covenant that I formed with their forefathers on the day I took them by the hand to take them out of the land of Egypt, that they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, says the Lord.		לאלֹ֣א כַבְּרִ֗ית אֲשֶׁ֚ר כָּרַ֙תִּי֙ אֶת־אֲבוֹתָ֔ם בְּיוֹם֙ הֶֽחֱזִיקִ֣י בְיָדָ֔ם לְהֽוֹצִיאָ֖ם מֵאֶ֖רֶץ מִצְרָ֑יִם אֲשֶׁר־הֵ֜מָּה הֵפֵ֣רוּ אֶת־בְּרִיתִ֗י וְאָֽנֹכִ֛י בָּעַ֥לְתִּי בָ֖ם נְאֻם־יְהֹוָֽה:
32 For this is the covenant that I will form with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will place My law in their midst and I will inscribe it upon their hearts, and I will be their God and they shall be My people.		לבכִּ֣י זֹ֣את הַבְּרִ֡ית אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶכְרֹת֩ אֶת־בֵּ֨ית יִשְׂרָאֵ֜ל אַֽחֲרֵ֨י הַיָּמִ֚ים הָהֵם֙ נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֔ה נָתַ֚תִּי אֶת־תּֽוֹרָתִי֙ בְּקִרְבָּ֔ם וְעַל־לִבָּ֖ם אֶכְתֳּבֶ֑נָּה וְהָיִ֚יתִי לָהֶם֙ לֵֽאלֹהִ֔ים וְהֵ֖מָּה יִֽהְיוּ־לִ֥י לְעָֽם:
33 And no longer shall one teach his neighbor or [shall] one [teach] his brother, saying, "Know the Lord," for they shall all know Me from their smallest to their greatest, says the Lord, for I will forgive their iniquity and their sin I will no longer remember.		לגוְלֹ֧א יְלַמְּד֣וּ ע֗וֹד אִ֣ישׁ אֶת־רֵעֵ֜הוּ וְאִ֚ישׁ אֶת־אָחִיו֙ לֵאמֹ֔ר דְּע֖וּ אֶת־יְהֹוָ֑ה כִּֽי־כוּלָּם֩ יֵֽדְע֨וּ אוֹתִ֜י לְמִקְּטַנָּ֚ם וְעַד־גְּדוֹלָם֙ נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֔ה כִּ֚י אֶסְלַח֙ לַֽעֲו‍ֹנָ֔ם וּלְחַטָּאתָ֖ם לֹ֥א אֶזְכָּר־עֽוֹד:

[JohnD]

3 hours ago, Slibhin said:

When you say I "deny" your reasoning it means what you insist it means you are saying I see what you see and just refuse to accept it, like the obstinate little Jew I am.

I don't agree it means what you say it means. Make a stronger case or we are at an Impasse.

 

I do not recall ever saying these words.

If I have, or even came across as intending this, I sincerely apologize.

[JohnD]

3 hours ago, Slibhin said:

And even if everything you posted was a Messianic prophecy, which disagree they are, no one has addressed other Jewish concerns.

I have listed the main requirements for someone to be the Messiah and Jewish reasons for objecting to Jesus being said Messiah. My biggest concern is Hashem calls human sacrifice an abomination.

 

The L-RD does not want anyone else to do what he had to do. He did in fact put Father Averaham to the test did he not? 

Bereshit 22:

1 And it came to pass after these things, that God tested Abraham, and He said to him, "Abraham," and he said, "Here I am."		אוַיְהִ֗י אַחַר֙ הַדְּבָרִ֣ים הָאֵ֔לֶּה וְהָ֣אֱלֹהִ֔ים נִסָּ֖ה אֶת־אַבְרָהָ֑ם וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֵלָ֔יו אַבְרָהָ֖ם וַיֹּ֥אמֶר הִנֵּֽנִי:
2 And He said, "Please take your son, your only one, whom you love, yea, Isaac, and go away to the land of Moriah and bring him up there for a burnt offering on one of the mountains, of which I will tell you."		בוַיֹּ֡אמֶר קַח־נָ֠א אֶת־בִּנְךָ֨ אֶת־יְחִֽידְךָ֤ אֲשֶׁר־אָהַ֨בְתָּ֙ אֶת־יִצְחָ֔ק וְלֶ֨ךְ־לְךָ֔ אֶל־אֶ֖רֶץ הַמֹּֽרִיָּ֑ה וְהַֽעֲלֵ֤הוּ שָׁם֙ לְעֹלָ֔ה עַ֚ל אַחַ֣ד הֶֽהָרִ֔ים אֲשֶׁ֖ר אֹמַ֥ר אֵלֶֽיךָ:
3 And Abraham arose early in the morning, and he saddled his donkey, and he took his two young men with him and Isaac his son; and he split wood for a burnt offering, and he arose and went to the place of which God had told him.		גוַיַּשְׁכֵּ֨ם אַבְרָהָ֜ם בַּבֹּ֗קֶר וַיַּֽחֲבשׁ֙ אֶת־חֲמֹר֔וֹ וַיִּקַּ֞ח אֶת־שְׁנֵ֤י נְעָרָיו֙ אִתּ֔וֹ וְאֵ֖ת יִצְחָ֣ק בְּנ֑וֹ וַיְבַקַּע֙ עֲצֵ֣י עֹלָ֔ה וַיָּ֣קָם וַיֵּ֔לֶךְ אֶל־הַמָּק֖וֹם אֲשֶׁר־אָֽמַר־ל֥וֹ הָֽאֱלֹהִֽים:
4 On the third day, Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place from afar.		דבַּיּ֣וֹם הַשְּׁלִישִׁ֗י וַיִּשָּׂ֨א אַבְרָהָ֧ם אֶת־עֵינָ֛יו וַיַּ֥רְא אֶת־הַמָּק֖וֹם מֵֽרָחֹֽק:
5 And Abraham said to his young men, "Stay here with the donkey, and I and the lad will go yonder, and we will prostrate ourselves and return to you."		הוַיֹּ֨אמֶר אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֶל־נְעָרָ֗יו שְׁבֽוּ־לָכֶ֥ם פֹּה֙ עִם־הַֽחֲמ֔וֹר וַֽאֲנִ֣י וְהַנַּ֔עַר נֵֽלְכָ֖ה עַד־כֹּ֑ה וְנִשְׁתַּֽחֲוֶ֖ה וְנָשׁ֥וּבָה אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
6 And Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering, and he placed [it] upon his son Isaac, and he took into his hand the fire and the knife, and they both went together.		ווַיִּקַּ֨ח אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֶת־עֲצֵ֣י הָֽעֹלָ֗ה וַיָּ֨שֶׂם֙ עַל־יִצְחָ֣ק בְּנ֔וֹ וַיִּקַּ֣ח בְּיָד֔וֹ אֶת־הָאֵ֖שׁ וְאֶת־הַמַּֽאֲכֶ֑לֶת וַיֵּֽלְכ֥וּ שְׁנֵיהֶ֖ם יַחְדָּֽו:
7 And Isaac spoke to Abraham his father, and he said, "My father!" And he said, "Here I am, my son." And he said, "Here are the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"		זוַיֹּ֨אמֶר יִצְחָ֜ק אֶל־אַבְרָהָ֤ם אָבִיו֙ וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אָבִ֔י וַיֹּ֖אמֶר הִנֶּ֣נִּי בְנִ֑י וַיֹּ֗אמֶר הִנֵּ֤ה הָאֵשׁ֙ וְהָ֣עֵצִ֔ים וְאַיֵּ֥ה הַשֶּׂ֖ה לְעֹלָֽה:
8 And Abraham said, "God will provide for Himself the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." And they both went together.		חוַיֹּ֨אמֶר֙ אַבְרָהָ֔ם אֱלֹהִ֞ים יִרְאֶה־לּ֥וֹ הַשֶּׂ֛ה לְעֹלָ֖ה בְּנִ֑י וַיֵּֽלְכ֥וּ שְׁנֵיהֶ֖ם יַחְדָּֽו:
9 And they came to the place of which God had spoken to him, and Abraham built the altar there and arranged the wood, and he bound Isaac his son and placed him on the altar upon the wood.		טוַיָּבֹ֗אוּ אֶל־הַמָּקוֹם֘ אֲשֶׁ֣ר אָֽמַר־ל֣וֹ הָֽאֱלֹהִים֒ וַיִּ֨בֶן שָׁ֤ם אַבְרָהָם֙ אֶת־הַמִּזְבֵּ֔חַ וַיַּֽעֲרֹ֖ךְ אֶת־הָֽעֵצִ֑ים וַיַּֽעֲקֹד֙ אֶת־יִצְחָ֣ק בְּנ֔וֹ וַיָּ֤שֶׂם אֹתוֹ֙ עַל־הַמִּזְבֵּ֔חַ מִמַּ֖עַל לָֽעֵצִֽים:
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand and took the knife, to slaughter his son.		יוַיִּשְׁלַ֤ח אַבְרָהָם֙ אֶת־יָד֔וֹ וַיִּקַּ֖ח אֶת־הַמַּֽאֲכֶ֑לֶת לִשְׁחֹ֖ט אֶת־בְּנֽוֹ:
11 And an angel of God called to him from heaven and said, "Abraham! Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am."		יאוַיִּקְרָ֨א אֵלָ֜יו מַלְאַ֤ךְ יְהֹוָה֙ מִן־הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וַיֹּ֖אמֶר אַבְרָהָ֣ם | אַבְרָהָ֑ם וַיֹּ֖אמֶר הִנֵּֽנִי:
12 And he said, "Do not stretch forth your hand to the lad, nor do the slightest thing to him, for now I know that you are a God fearing man, and you did not withhold your son, your only one, from Me."		יבוַיֹּ֗אמֶר אַל־תִּשְׁלַ֤ח יָֽדְךָ֙ אֶל־הַנַּ֔עַר וְאַל־תַּ֥עַשׂ ל֖וֹ מְא֑וּמָה כִּ֣י | עַתָּ֣ה יָדַ֗עְתִּי כִּֽי־יְרֵ֤א אֱלֹהִים֙ אַ֔תָּה וְלֹ֥א חָשַׂ֛כְתָּ אֶת־בִּנְךָ֥ אֶת־יְחִֽידְךָ֖ מִמֶּֽנִּי:
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and he saw, and lo! there was a ram, [and] after [that] it was caught in a tree by its horns. And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son.		יגוַיִּשָּׂ֨א אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֶת־עֵינָ֗יו וַיַּרְא֙ וְהִנֵּה־אַ֔יִל אַחַ֕ר נֶֽאֱחַ֥ז בַּסְּבַ֖ךְ בְּקַרְנָ֑יו וַיֵּ֤לֶךְ אַבְרָהָם֙ וַיִּקַּ֣ח אֶת־הָאַ֔יִל וַיַּֽעֲלֵ֥הוּ לְעֹלָ֖ה תַּ֥חַת בְּנֽוֹ:
14 And Abraham named that place, The Lord will see, as it is said to this day: On the mountain, the Lord will be seen.		ידוַיִּקְרָ֧א אַבְרָהָ֛ם שֵֽׁם־הַמָּק֥וֹם הַה֖וּא יְהֹוָ֣ה | יִרְאֶ֑ה אֲשֶׁר֙ יֵֽאָמֵ֣ר הַיּ֔וֹם בְּהַ֥ר יְהֹוָ֖ה יֵֽרָאֶֽה:
15 And an angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven.		טווַיִּקְרָ֛א מַלְאַ֥ךְ יְהֹוָ֖ה אֶל־אַבְרָהָ֑ם שֵׁנִ֖ית מִן־הַשָּׁמָֽיִם:
16 And he said, "By Myself have I sworn, says the Lord, that because you have done this thing and you did not withhold your son, your only one,		טזוַיֹּ֕אמֶר בִּ֥י נִשְׁבַּ֖עְתִּי נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֑ה כִּ֗י יַ֚עַן אֲשֶׁ֤ר עָשִׂ֨יתָ֙ אֶת־הַדָּבָ֣ר הַזֶּ֔ה וְלֹ֥א חָשַׂ֖כְתָּ אֶת־בִּנְךָ֥ אֶת־יְחִידֶֽךָ:
17 That I will surely bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand that is on the seashore, and your descendants will inherit the cities of their enemies.		יזכִּֽי־בָרֵ֣ךְ אֲבָֽרֶכְךָ֗ וְהַרְבָּ֨ה אַרְבֶּ֤ה אֶת־זַרְעֲךָ֙ כְּכֽוֹכְבֵ֣י הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וְכַח֕וֹל אֲשֶׁ֖ר עַל־שְׂפַ֣ת הַיָּ֑ם וְיִרַ֣שׁ זַרְעֲךָ֔ אֵ֖ת שַׁ֥עַר אֹֽיְבָֽיו:
18 And through your children shall be blessed all the nations of the world, because you hearkened to My voice."		יחוְהִתְבָּֽרֲכ֣וּ בְזַרְעֲךָ֔ כֹּ֖ל גּוֹיֵ֣י הָאָ֑רֶץ עֵ֕קֶב אֲשֶׁ֥ר שָׁמַ֖עְתָּ בְּקֹלִֽי: