Speaking of Penguins

[Christ's Free Servant]

Just curious...do you guys get equally ticked off when heterosexual promiscuity is promoted on tv and in schools also?

You bet I do!

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Ditto! I hate to see any sins promoted on TV, in movies, in music, in the schools, etc., especially to our young people who have such impressionable minds and are just beginning to decide what they believe. The thing that got to me about that news article about the Penguins was that the adult woman was hushing the child and correcting him when he said it should not happen with humans. She was telling a child on national TV that it is ok to be gay if that is your preference. He will never forget what she said and it will affect him and many other young, impressionable minds who may have seen the same news show. And, we are seeing the gay lifestyle and non-married people living together promoted even in children's movies and cartoons. They are trying to brain-wash these children early on that these and many other sins are ok. And, so they grow up thinking it's ok. I really appreciate and support people like James Dobson who addresses these issues. I applaud his efforts!

[Guest Zayit]

Did anyone read the transciption or watch the video?

[apothanein kerdos]

The sin may not be worse but it sure ticks me off how they are forcing their "lifestyles" into every aspect of life. I hate the idea of having to screen my kid's homework for gay propaganda

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And that is the problem.

I'm glad you pointed this out, Geri!

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Just curious...do you guys get equally ticked off when heterosexual promiscuity is promoted on tv and in schools also? While I agree that there is certainly a homosexual-political agenda, and that it is permiating our culture rapidly...it isn't the only sexual sin to infiltrate our lives in such a public way. Heterosexual promiscuity has been doing the same thing for years now. Maybe if we had fought this movement as vigorously as we are "fighting" the homosexual movement now, maybe we could've prevented the further perversion of our culture. We can blame the so-called "homos" all we want, but the truth is..if believers hadn't been so silent on the sexual issue before now we might not be in this delimma. Perhaps the problem is that too many believers were caught up in these sins themselves to have the power to fight against it.

Here's an interesting article on how saturated our society is with sex:

Hollywood, Sex and Zero Consequences

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tess, please wake up.

Ro 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Ro 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Ro 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

Ro 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

homosexuals ARE NOT NORMAL SINNERS.

the bible says so.

I take it---you dont believe the bible is a Marriage Covenenant, for the Son and His Bride?

what MORE APOSTACY DOES ONE NEED---than to make the "2 to become 1", and make it a "2 ones become 1"

ITS AN ABOMINATION OF THE EXTREME SORT.

its NOT---ok.

they have been GIVEN OVER.

and these, when given over, carry a chip on their shoulder, cause their heart has been hardened to the Gospel.

no amount of niceness, is goin to "change them".

only their CONVICTED conscious, will lead them to repent.

and thats exactly what they need to do---for blatant, willful sin.

its no longer, a "SIN OF IGNORANCE".

thats the only type of sin---Jesus atoned for.

unless one REPENTS.

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*cough*

[nebula]

"Hate the sin but love the sinner" - correct?

OK - so what does "hate the sin" supposed to mean?

[apothanein kerdos]

The sin may not be worse but it sure ticks me off how they are forcing their "lifestyles" into every aspect of life. I hate the idea of having to screen my kid's homework for gay propaganda

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And that is the problem.

I'm glad you pointed this out, Geri!

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Just curious...do you guys get equally ticked off when heterosexual promiscuity is promoted on tv and in schools also? While I agree that there is certainly a homosexual-political agenda, and that it is permiating our culture rapidly...it isn't the only sexual sin to infiltrate our lives in such a public way. Heterosexual promiscuity has been doing the same thing for years now. Maybe if we had fought this movement as vigorously as we are "fighting" the homosexual movement now, maybe we could've prevented the further perversion of our culture. We can blame the so-called "homos" all we want, but the truth is..if believers hadn't been so silent on the sexual issue before now we might not be in this delimma. Perhaps the problem is that too many believers were caught up in these sins themselves to have the power to fight against it.

Here's an interesting article on how saturated our society is with sex:

Hollywood, Sex and Zero Consequences

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tess, please wake up.

Ro 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Ro 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Ro 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

Ro 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

homosexuals ARE NOT NORMAL SINNERS.

the bible says so.

I take it---you dont believe the bible is a Marriage Covenenant, for the Son and His Bride?

what MORE APOSTACY DOES ONE NEED---than to make the "2 to become 1", and make it a "2 ones become 1"

ITS AN ABOMINATION OF THE EXTREME SORT.

its NOT---ok.

they have been GIVEN OVER.

and these, when given over, carry a chip on their shoulder, cause their heart has been hardened to the Gospel.

no amount of niceness, is goin to "change them".

only their CONVICTED conscious, will lead them to repent.

and thats exactly what they need to do---for blatant, willful sin.

its no longer, a "SIN OF IGNORANCE".

thats the only type of sin---Jesus atoned for.

unless one REPENTS.

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*cough*

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you arent sittin in the doctors office, and turnin your head are you?

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I find it ironic that you would condemn homosexuals in their sin but then sit there and make a lewd comment like that.

  "Hate the sin but love the sinner" - correct?

OK - so what does "hate the sin" supposed to mean?

Hate the sin so much that you are willing to do almost anything within reason and love to see it dissipate from the person's life.

[nebula]

Hate the sin so much that you are willing to do almost anything within reason and love to see it dissipate from the person's life.

Would you ever use "tough love," as it's called, on a person?

[yomotalking]

Why is everyone against Homos?????

WHY?????

They need our help, but we shun them!!!

[Christ's Free Servant]

Why is everyone against Homos?????

WHY?????

They need our help, but we shun them!!!

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Who is against them? Who shuns them? Who is "everyone"? I don't think all people are against them, and I don't think all Christians shun them. I think there are many of us who are against the act of homosexuality but we are not against the people. We want to help them get out of their sin. Some people are certainly judgmental and perhaps even more are harsh in their approach of the subject, while others would just like to see those who are in bondage to that sinful lifestyle be set free! So, I don't know who "everyone" is. I guess you would have to ask specific people or groups of people these questions.

[Kabowd]

Would you ever use "tough love," as it's called, on a person?

Yes he would and has....I speak from experience here..lol. The difference here though, is that Super Jew and I have a relationship, a friendship already established that has developed over years and through life experiences. I have given him the freedom to speak into my life and he's earned my respect. He knows he can correct me and be downright mean if he needs to be and that I'll receive it. However, he doesn't use this same tactic with people he hardly knows or doesn't have a relationship with..this would be foolish and counter-productive. Another thing, I believe "tough love" should be used primarily on those who are already believers, not the unbelievers. One reason is because this is what we see modeled in Scripture. God disciplines His own (see Hebrews 12) and we see in the examples of David, Jonah, Israel and Hosea that He uses discipline and harshness when necessary to bring His own back to Him. Secondly, we are taught over and over in the New Testament that we are to hold one another (believers) accountable..yet when dealing with unbelievers we are told to use love, gentleness, patience, kindness..and told not to forget that it was God's kindness that led us to repentance. Can you give me an example in Scripture where an unsaved person came to Christ because of "tough love"? What is your definition of "tough love"? Do you think tender love should precede it?

Who is against them? Who shuns them? Who is "everyone"?

Maybe she's referring to some of the comments floating around this board regarding homosexuals....like these quotes:

Well nothing would surprise me about homos.

You can't trust anyone these days. I couldn't be an athelete, no way to know which guy is the homo checking you out in the shower or the locker room.

I left off the names of those who said them, but there's been alot of this type of attitude displayed around the boards lately, it's disheartening. I'm not quite sure how you prove to someone that you love them and that you're not against them, while labeling them, being disgusted by them and avoiding them at the same time.

[kodischild]

Ole God himself would have been questioned in his tactics with Pharoah and Egypt.

oh, that is way to harsh,Lord.

you'll NEVER convert anyone like that.

Pharoah, was given apt opportunity, by  being shown the Power and Majesty of His God---YHWH.

he refused to give up himself and be humble.

BOOM----HARDENED HEART.

how many here realize, the Roman Empire was FULL OF HOMOSEXUALITY AND PENIS FORNICATION gods....

many homes had and "erected" lump of clay, over their doors.

we, are REAL CLOSE.

GO AHEAD---BE NICE.

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That is where I am going wrong. I didn't realize you were God!

You are right. God's judgements often seem harsh to us. On the other hand, I'm not God so the judgement and punishment aren't my job.