Catholics Vs. Protestants (I don't get it)

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

I get what your saying regarding crosses do not save.   Yes, many people do idolize the cross and pray to it, but this is not what the scriptures is saying regarding:

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. - 1Co 1:18 

This is referring the work that was done on the cross by our savior and bearing our sins, our sickness, our transgressions of the law, the innocent blood that was shed.  He became the sacrificial lamb for our sins.

If your read in the OT where Moses made a bronze serpent on a pole (Num 21) and told everyone to look to the serpent on the pole and you will be saved from death.  This is a direct analogy of what Messiah did for us on the cross.

"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. - Jhn 3:14-15 

If you read later, Israel took that same bronze serpent and made an idol of it which God condemned.

He removed the high places and broke the [sacred] pillars, cut down the wooden image and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made; for until those days the children of Israel burned incense to it, and called it Nehushtan. - 2Ki 18:4 

In the same way Israel committed Idolatry with the bronze serpent, many people today to include "Christians" make crosses and venerate them as idols just as Israel did to the bronze serpent.

Jedi

Your post is void of wisdom. The people in your example were confessed Idolaters. 

What does it bother you if someone has a picture of Jesus hanging on the wall..

Do you forbid that? 

[Michael37]

17 hours ago, NCAP said:

Crosses save no one. If I thought crosses could save me, I'd be praying to them day and night.

What you need to do is to turn to the one who saved Jesus. He didn't save himself. Someone else did.

The preaching of the cross gets people saved.

When they hear by faith that it was the foreordained Will of God the Father for His Son Jesus Christ to face Jewish persecutions, suffer painful humiliations, and die in a bloody mess on a crude Roman cross in their place to redeem them from their sins, they experience the power of God in the form of His grace to forgive them, reconcile them, sanctify them, and fill them with the hope of eternal life in heaven with their Saviour.

That is the preaching of the cross.  

 1Co 1:23-24  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;  (24)  But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Quote from Matthew Henry's Commentary:

1. Christ crucified is a stumbling-block to the Jews. They could not get over it. They had a conceit that their expected Messiah was to be a great temporal prince, and therefore would never own one who made so mean an appearance in life, and died so accursed a death, for their deliverer and king. They despised him, and looked upon him as execrable, because he was hanged on a tree, and because he did not gratify them with a sign to their mind, though his divine power shone out in innumerable miracles. The Jews require a sign, 1Co_1:22. See Mat_12:38.

2. He was to the Greeks foolishness. They laughed at the story of a crucified Saviour, and despised the apostles' way of telling it. They sought for wisdom. They were men of wit and reading, men that had cultivated arts and sciences, and had, for some ages, been in a manner the very mint of knowledge and learning. There was nothing in the plain doctrine of the cross to suit their taste, nor humour their vanity, nor gratify a curious and wrangling temper: they entertained it therefore with scorn and contempt. What, hope to be saved by one that could not save himself! And trust in one who was condemned and crucified as a malefactor, a man of mean birth and poor condition in life, and cut off by so vile and opprobrious a death! This was what the pride of human reason and learning could not relish. The Greeks thought it little better than stupidity to receive such a doctrine, and pay this high regard to such a person: and thus were they justly left to perish in their pride and obstinacy.

Note, It is just with God to leave those to themselves who pour such proud contempt on divine wisdom and grace.

3. To those who are called and saved he is the wisdom of God, and the power of God. Those who are called and sanctified, who receive the gospel, and are enlightened by the Spirit of God, discern more glorious discoveries of God's wisdom and power in the doctrine of Christ crucified than in all his other works.

Note, Those who are saved are reconciled to the doctrine of the cross, and led into an experimental acquaintance with the mysteries of Christ crucified.

Blessings from Michael37.

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I was hoping our collective focus was sharper.

Differentiate between Apostolic teachings from the Bible and Papal Authority by the Pope.

It's a simple question the Catholic who has family members that have died recently he wants to know about what happened to Jesus after he died and what happens to any one of us when we die? 

[Your closest friendnt]

11 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

I think a picture doesn’t give us the real Jesus, it may be a comfort to those who worship Jesus, but then we are told to worship Jesus in spirit aren’t we?

Not worship a picture.🙏

Thank Rosie for your participation...

The post simply say that they hang a picture of Jesus on the wall...that all; it does not say anything else...

The intent is not to worship the picture, it just to remind the family and the visitors that they believe in Jesus Christ....that their family is the family of Jesus Christ...

Edited October 19, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[JohnR7]

14 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

You only believe God's word if science tells you to.

We need to translate and interpret the Bible. We need to verify how accurate our translation and interpretation are. Science is one of many tools we have in our tool box that we can use to get the job done. 

 

14 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

"God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance."

Let me make this clear. We are talking about the first chapter in Neil DeGrasse Tyson book: "Astrophysics for people in a Hurry".  Tyson is agnostic and he has no interest in having a discussion about religion or the Bible. 

The advantage of this is, Tyson is NOT influenced by religion or the Bible. That means he is not biased in what he is saying. He does not serve two masters: science and religion. He only serves one: Science. Let me give you the first sentence, so you can know what Tyson's book is about:

"In the beginning, nearly 14 billion years ago, all the space and all the matter and all the energy of the known universe was contained in a volume less one-trillionth the size of the period that ends this sentence". 

NOTICE how the Bible, Genesis 1:1 AND Tyson's book BOTH begin with: "In the Beginning".  Show me anyone, anywhere that can do a better job of explaining the word "beginning" the first word in our Bible. The first word and the first letter of a word sets the pace. 

Edited October 19, 2022 by JohnR7

[Your closest friendnt]

3 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Yes, I believe that as well, YCF.👍

It can be also a little more than that.  The cousin who came over to stay with the family like to say lies and to blame someone else for his misdeeds...but after a while with the family he stopped doing that...he said that looking at the picture of Jesus it had a good effect on him...

[Sower]

37 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Your post is void of wisdom. The people in your example were confessed Idolaters. 

What does it bother you if someone has a picture of Jesus hanging on the wall..

Do you forbid that? 

This is what I believe.    Do what you 'feel' is right before God.

I grew up in a church where I was an altar boy, swinging silver incense goblets in procession through church pouring out the burning incense smoke around the priest holding onto a golden cross with the image of a dead man still nailed to it and everybody kneeled down in reverence as we passed. (No, that wasn't Jesus-He has risen, seated at the right hand)

I grew up with statues and pictures (carved and graven images) in our house and then gargoyles and devils with pitchforks  and Mary holding a baby with a halo above her head in our church with sixty foot rounded gothic ceilings, so as soon as I left home and later was saved, I began a campaign of grabbing any statue or picture of Jesus or other "saints"and throwing them in the garbage. I stole them. I felt I was ridding the home of exactly what I believed God forbid us to ever have. As believers in Christ.

God is spirit!!! We worship God in spirit and truth!!! God has His reasons why He commanded this, and we are not to come up with some human reasoning to disobey because we 'feel' it's OK.    Ask Aaron about the golden calf.

I somehow find it hard to believe this stuff I read that has been posted here.
I thought protestant/non-catholic believers knew the truth.
For myself, it was a no brainer when I was just a kid. Adult 'Christians' should know better. Anybody here have a signed picture of Jesus? Throw it in the trash.( No, it's not holy. No, you don't reverence it.)

Our God is a jealous God...
 

[JohnR7]

6 hours ago, Dave-regenerated said:

Admittedly, it is rather difficult to understand the Trinity.

The word Trinity is not in the Bible. This is a shortcut to Father - Son & Holy Spirit. We are told in Philippian 2:6:

5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.

[Michael37]

3 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

The word Trinity is not in the Bible.

Neither is the word Bible, yet it exists.

[Your closest friendnt]

3 minutes ago, Sower said:

This is what I believe.    Do what you 'feel' is right before God.

I grew up in a church where I was an altar boy, swinging silver incense goblets in procession through church pouring out the burning incense smoke around the priest holding onto a golden cross with the image of a dead man still nailed to it and everybody kneeled down in reverence as we passed. (No, that wasn't Jesus-He has risen, seated at the right hand)

I grew up with statues and pictures (carved and graven images) in our house and then gargoyles and devils with pitchforks  and Mary holding a baby with a halo above her head in our church with sixty foot rounded gothic ceilings, so as soon as I left home and later was saved, I began a campaign of grabbing any statue or picture of Jesus or other "saints"and throwing them in the garbage. I stole them. I felt I was ridding the home of exactly what I believed God forbid us to ever have. As believers in Christ.

God is spirit!!! We worship God in spirit and truth!!! God has His reasons why He commanded this, and we are not to come up with some human reasoning to disobey because we 'feel' it's OK.    Ask Aaron about the golden calf.

I somehow find it hard to believe this stuff I read that has been posted here.
I thought protestant/non-catholic believers knew the truth.
For myself, it was a no brainer when I was just a kid. Adult 'Christians' should know better. Anybody here have a signed picture of Jesus? Throw it in the trash.

Our God is a jealous God...
 

One kid said that he liked pocket knifes when he was a kid and his mother gave him a pocket knife with the picture of Jesus...she taught him the knife can be used for a good propose and other intents...you son she said used it only for the good...

When his friend asked him to borrow the knife to settle a matter when he show the picture of Jesus he got delivered from his blind anger and did not do it.