(2 Samuel 13:1-14) Amnon's Fellowship with Jonadab should be a warning for us Christians about Being careful when it comes to who is involved in Christian Fellowship

[bartmac123]

We as Christian should be concerned about who attends a Christian fellowship, and more importantly who takes on the roles of elders, leaders, advisors, etc., in a Christian Fellowship

Let's start off with the following given premise:
-Nation of Ancient Israel ---could be viewed as-----a modern day church congregation

 

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2 Samuel 13:1-14
New American Standard Bible 1995

Amnon and Tamar

13 Now it was after this that Absalom the son of David had a beautiful
sister whose name was Tamar, and Amnon the son of David loved her. 2
Amnon was so frustrated because of his sister Tamar that he made
himself ill, for she was a virgin, and it seemed [a]hard to Amnon to
do anything to her. 3 But Amnon had a friend whose name was Jonadab,
the son of Shimeah, David’s brother; and Jonadab was a very shrewd
man. 4 He said to him, “O son of the king, why are you so depressed
morning after morning? Will you not tell me?” Then Amnon said to him,
“I am in love with Tamar, the sister of my brother Absalom.” 5 Jonadab
then said to him, “Lie down on your bed and pretend to be ill; when
your father comes to see you, say to him, ‘Please let my sister Tamar
come and give me some food to eat, and let her prepare the food in my
sight, that I may see it and eat from her hand.’” 6 So Amnon lay down
and pretended to be ill; when the king came to see him, Amnon said to
the king, “Please let my sister Tamar come and make me a couple of
cakes in my sight, that I may eat from her hand.”.......more
scripture.....more scripture...............11 When she brought them to
him to eat, he took hold of her and said to her, “Come, lie with me,
my sister.” 12 But she answered him, “No, my brother, do not violate
me, for such a thing is not done in Israel; do not do this disgraceful
thing! 13 As for me, where could I [e]get rid of my reproach? And as
for you, you will be like one of the [f]fools in Israel. Now
therefore, please speak to the king, for he will not withhold me from
you.” 14 However, he would not listen to [g]her; since he was stronger
than she, he violated her and lay with her.

 

 

In the 2 Samuel 13:2-5 bible passage, we as Christian could view Amnon & Jonadab engaging in fellowship with each other as members of the Ancient Israelite Hebrew congregation.  To put it in a modern perspective, it's like 2 Christians engaging in fellowship with each other
regardless of whether they are in a cell group, bible study group or if they just are having 1-to-1 fellowship together at a cafe.

However, Jonadab's advice to Amnon that involves giving into Amnon's fleshly desires for his Tamar is scary.

More importantly, it should be a severe warning to us Christians about being concerned & cautious about who attends a Chrisitan Fellowship, and maybe even more importantly who is taking on the roles of elders or leaders in our Christian fellowship.

Christian leadership ( especially Church leadership) need to be firmly guided by The Holy Spirit when they appoint church elders, leaders, advisors etc.

Edited November 4, 2022 by bartmac123

[Who me]

19 hours ago, bartmac123 said:

Let's start off with the following given premise:
-Nation of Ancient Israel ---could be viewed as-----a modern day church congregation

 

No, the state of Judah can be identified  as the church and Israel as the backs.iding once Christian World.

 

What can we learn from this story?

Choose your advisors  very carefully and check there advice  against what the bible says.

 

Ammon know that rape was wrong, yet he let his last guide his actions and didn't  seek a y advice  that might have helped. 

Further, the authority,  King David did nothing.

He did follow the law about rape.

We need to choose  leaders just as carefully  as we choose  advisors. 

 

This is a good question to ask of pot5 leaders/advisors

How would you deal with a situation in the church h, like Amon/Tamar? 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Who me

[bartmac123]

@Who me  Sorry, on to a slightly different topic.  What do you think about my the following post which compares King David's reign to Queen Elizabehth II ( and also Prince Absalom to Princess Diana )?

 

[bartmac123]

@Sold Out DisciplesThanks for your compliment.  Also,  on to a slightly different topic.  What do you think about my the following post which compares King David's reign to Queen Elizabehth II ( and also Prince Absalom to Princess Diana )?

 

[creativemechanic]

17 hours ago, Who me said:

No, the state of Judah can be identified  as the church and Israel as the backs.iding once Christian World.

 

What can we learn from this story?

Choose your advisors  very carefully and check there advice  against what the bible says.

 

Ammon know that rape was wrong, yet he let his last guide his actions and didn't  seek a y advice  that might have helped. 

Further, the authority,  King David did nothing.

He did follow the law about rape.

We need to choose  leaders just as carefully  as we choose  advisors. 

 

This is a good question to ask of pot5 leaders/advisors

How would you deal with a situation in the church h, like Amon/Tamar? 

Theres an actual theory that Jonodab may have been in league with Absalom  and encouraged /advised Amnon how to rape Tamar to give Absalom a reason to kill Amnon. Amnon was the first born and next in line for the thrown. Nothing is known of   Kileab , so some think he may have died, therefore. Absalom would have been second in  line.

The reasons for this are that-

1) Jonodabs advice is so bizarre . Noone in their right mind woudlve given it.

2) When Tamar goes to Absalom, he asks her if  Amnon raped her (how would he know?)

3) When Absalom has Amnon killed, David thoiught all his sons were dead. Jonodab immediately tells him it wasnt the kings sons, just Amnon  and that it was because of Tamar's rape.(howd he know)

 

It is just an interesting perspective but it does sho that we need to mind our friends advice, they may have ulterior motives.