Shilohsfoal Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 Just now, OneLight said: Mistype, but the meaning does not change. Lifting your heads is the same as lifting your hands, both have to do with worship. Still that's not what he is saying. You miss the entire point of what he is saying. He's talking about them being redeemed when they see the abomination of desolation which is what revelation chapter 6-7 shows. Its the day of their redemption. It's the day they become immortal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Still that's not what he is saying. You miss the entire point of what he is saying. He's talking about them being redeemed when they see the abomination of desolation which is what revelation chapter 6-7 shows. Its the day of their redemption. It's the day they become immortal. AoD is going to happen half way through the Tribulation, just before Gods wrath is brought upon the world, not at the end of the tribulation. This is why it is spiritual and not physical, as you keep suggesting. Stay in Him and rejoice as His time is coming. Tell me now, how does this tie into the 7th seal when the 144,000 are sealed to be His evangelist? In order for anyone to become immortal, they have to be God. They can be given eternal life, but that is different than being an immortal. We do not become immortal, only God is immortal. 1 Timothy 6:12-16 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing, 15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2022 It deals with the opening of the 6th seal. In terror they are hiding from the wrath of God. This needs to be taken literally. Revelation 6:12-17 Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, OneLight said: AoD is going to happen half way through the Tribulation, just before Gods wrath is brought upon the world, not at the end of the tribulation. This is why it is spiritual and not physical, as you keep suggesting. Stay in Him and rejoice as His time is coming. Tell me now, how does this tie into the 7th seal when the 144,000 are sealed to be His evangelist? In order for anyone to become immortal, they have to be God. They can be given eternal life, but that is different than being an immortal. We do not become immortal, only God is immortal. 1 Timothy 6:12-16 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing, 15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen. Immortal means they are not subject to death. They won't die a second death. When the mortal has put on immortality, they are not subject to death. They have everlasting life. Luke 21:21-23 Luke 21:21-23 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. When the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem, it is the time of wrath. That's when people hide in caves on the day of the Lord. The wrath mentioned in verse 23. Your not doing very good. The wrath mentioned in verse 23 takes place on the day of the Lord. Not 3.5 years before the day of the Lord as you claim. Edited November 8, 2022 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 4 hours ago, missmuffet said: It deals with the opening of the 6th seal. In terror they are hiding from the wrath of God. This needs to be taken literally. Revelation 6:12-17 Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Yes, they are litterally hiding from the wrath of God. Just like Jesus said in the gospel. Luke 21:21-23 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. When the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem, those in Judea will flee to the mountains to hide in caves from the wrath of God. It will be a time of great tribulation but at that time, Daniels people who's names are found written, shall be divered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2022 23 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Immortal means they are not subject to death. They won't die a second death. When the mortal has put on immortality, they are not subject to death. They have everlasting life. Scripture does not contradict itself. Yet, we see one man write in two different epistles, using the word immortal or immortality; one claiming mortal is to put on immortal, and that only Jesus has immortality. Seems to me that we need a tie breaker. How about the words of Jesus Himself. Did Jesus ever say His creation will have immortality or did He say we would have eternal life? Now, ask yourself why Paul would say such a thing? Could it be that through translation, man has made a mistake or is it that the word itself has more than one meaning? Take 2 Timothy 1:10 where bibles use immortality yet the Greek uses incorruption. Why would they do that? In 1 Corinthians, where Paul uses immortality, he uses it right after corruption/incorruption. The better word would of been the same word used in 2 Timothy 1:20, aphtharsia (G861), instead of athanasia (G110). In both places, it is translated to immortality, but they have different meanings. So, ask yourself why Jesus never told anyone that they would have immortality. He never did, so I highly suggest that the idea behind what Paul is saying in 1 Corinthians is death puts on life. Dig deeper for a more solid understanding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted November 8, 2022 I think it is simple. We have eternal Life and that Life is Christ. And that Life is not corruptible. As well as our new bodies will not see corruption, just as His did not and will not. It seems to me that these scriptures speak of a stste of being and doing so from different angles, if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.55 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) On 11/7/2022 at 12:32 PM, Shilohsfoal said: Revelation 6:15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. When those in Judea see the abomination that causes desolation placed in Jerusalem, they flee to the mountains. Revelation 6 paints a picture of people in the mountains hiding in caves on the day of the Lord. Going underground during the war of Armegeddon. There is now an app to help you find the nearest cave in Israel. It will help you navigate the mountains and lead you to a safe cave. https://www.timesofisrael.com/rockets-falling-theres-an-app-for-that/ The Jewish believers, in 70 A.D., believed the warnings (in the gospels) and fled to the mountains, escaping the devastations caused by the Roman army. The people hiding from the wrath of God (to no effect) in Revelation are a completely different context. Edited November 8, 2022 by David1701 clarification 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah7 Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,610 Content Per Day: 2.44 Reputation: 3,182 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/25/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said: Yes, they are litterally hiding from the wrath of God. Just like Jesus said in the gospel. Luke 21:21-23 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. Luke 21:21-23 is not saying the same thing that Revelation 6:12-17 is saying. Luke 21:21-23 is talking about BELIEVERS. Revelation 5:12-17 is talking about NON-BELIEVERS. Selah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,854 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, OneLight said: AoD is going to happen half way through the Tribulation, just before Gods wrath is brought upon the world, not at the end of the tribulation. This is why it is spiritual and not physical, as you keep suggesting. Stay in Him and rejoice as His time is coming. Tell me now, how does this tie into the 7th seal when the 144,000 are sealed to be His evangelist? In order for anyone to become immortal, they have to be God. They can be given eternal life, but that is different than being an immortal. We do not become immortal, only God is immortal. 1 Timothy 6:12-16 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing, 15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen. This is a super posting. This is a something out of the blue. Epouranio, from above, from God, from Jesus. Only Jesus is immortal after the Cross and the resurrection, and not before the end of his testing but after he endured all the testings that were appointed by the Heavenly Father. Even the tests that were put infront of him when HE PRAYED IN THE GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE. Jesus was and is and will be the only one who is immortal and he can never die, physically, for he died once physically while he was in a body that it could decay...or see corruption. (Decay after his death, just like the bodies of everyone in the world are after they physically die.) We should also consider that his cannot happened to people who are burned. Because they are burned or cremated...neither it can happen to people who have been eaten by the beast after their death or while alive. The point is we are in him, we are not on our own. Edited November 8, 2022 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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