Devils-Evil Spirits-Unclean Spirits

[Dennis1209]

If anyone is interested, I would like to discuss our enemies and adversaries, the demonic world. What can they do to individuals and churches, and our armor and why and how to use it (Eph. 6).

But before doing that, it would be beneficial to distinguish between fallen angels, demons, devils, evil spirits, and unclean spirits. Are they all synonymous, or are they different classes of fallen beings, some more menacing and powerful than others?

Acts 8:6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. 7. For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. [emphasis added]

The Bible records a real problem with devils, evil spirits, and unclean spirits one hundred and nineteen times. Jesus and the apostles cast out countless demons during the first century alone. Do we think there is not just as big a problem today as when Jesus walked the earth? How many possessions today are diagnosed as a medical condition and treated and controlled using pharmakeia?

Before I opine, my thoughts on why fallen angels are not Biblical devils, evil spirits, or unclean spirits, and continue. Those that believe all of them are fallen, angels. I ask for one example or mention of Daimonion, diabolos, saiyr, or shed before Noah’s flood, I cannot find any. The individual being of the “serpent” is not the same as what I am asking.

Please back up your views with scripture, and I will reciprocate.

[farouk]

Epehsians 6 is a good passage to concentrate on: the whole armour of God.

[Starise]

Demons in the bible are mentioned as a reality , but some dispute they are as active today. I would not agree with that view.

At the extreme end we have Rus Dizdar, now with the Lord, who  covered a lot of the SRA, programming, satanic soldiers among other things. There was even some speculation about how he died. He uncovered some of the involvement of certain law enforcement in a lot of it. I only bring this up because this is often how demons are brought in. People in the occult call on them. Much like Bob Larson he seemed to be somewhat of a sensationalist with the occasional critic saying he wasn't using the pulpit for the gospel. Bob's main ministry is casting out demons. He even talks to them on the air, so there's that. I will withhold my comments for now on the ministry itself.

Aside from the Warrens and supposed Catholic demonologists, these were the people who put this in the modern public eye.

Demons can be indirectly summoned by opening up doorways.

The Bible talks about people falling for" doctrines of demons". So they are heavily involved in end time deceptions. Sorry Dennis, I'm on my smart phone so I don't have chapter and verse 

I believe there are different types of them. In order to get more detail on that some resort to extra biblical texts, ancient giants etc. We fight them in our spiritual armor.

I have had a few experiences, but have never been afraid for my safety because I trusted God.

They are very cunning,always examining  us for a place to attack. A chink in the armor.

 

[Not of the World]

9 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Do we think there is not just as big a problem today as when Jesus walked the earth?

My wife (at the time) and I had an encounter with a demon or dark angel.  No question about it.  

[Ray12614]

I recall an missionary from Africa (I don't remember which country) was at my church, and he briefly spoke about demon activity. He said that in Africa the devils are 'dumb' devils; Meaning that they strip down naked, foam at the mouth, hurt people when they can and scream and howl to generate fear in people. Then he said that in America, we have 'smart' devils that try to pervert the clear teachings of the Bible, and wear suits and ties, and appear to be 'experts' in theology and some are bankers on wall street and love to control finances and indirectly as a result control people, and some churches. The 'smart' devils have the same goal, that is to dis-credit Jesus and His salvation message for people.

Just this AM, I read about how George Soros (billionaire) gives large amounts of money to organizations that are anti-Christian, and Marxist in nature. He said that he believes that he is God, and that he wants to re-shape the world in his image . . .  Hummm . . . sounds like a devil to me . . .  

Ray . . . 

[Dennis1209]

I cannot definitively say this class of beings did not exist before Noah’s flood. The following is a long boring harangue of how I understand the Biblical narrative as a whole mosaic. If anyone is going to read this virtual rant in its entirety, you will need some virtual help.  

The Bible has much to say about evil spirits after the flood but nothing at all pre-deluge. It is interesting that:

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. [emphasis added]

Giants =  (n^ep̄î·lîm): n.pr. [oth n.masc.pl. ]; ≡ Str 5303; TWOT 1393a—LN 93-pers. (gent.) Nephilim: a renown race of giants (Ge 6:4; Nu 13:33+), note: whether this race was a spirit-human race, or godly-ungodly race is debated among theologians^[1]

Sons = bēn, of God = ʾ^ělō·hîm. Elohim simply means “spirit,” not flesh.

Adam is the only human who qualifies as a “son of God,” as God directly created him. Taking the Seth- Cain view makes no sense comparing it to Gen. 3:15 and other scripture, and what Peter and Jude comment on.

Yes, folks, I know the favorite Bible verse used to refute my thoughts.

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Angels do not need to procreate; they are countless and immortal. Humans are commanded to multiply and fill the earth, as our bodies will return to whence they came.

Angels have heavenly bodies and can transform into flesh. Evil spirits are ethereal and cannot alter; they seek a warm body to occupy. Matt. 22:30, Jesus refers to the loyal heavenly angels who did not rebel. It is not said they cannot transform and procreate with human women. We cannot imagine the power of a single angel; demons (meaning intelligence) are extremely limited in what they can do.

Most agree that Satan and his minions tried to commit genocide on the Hebrew-Jewish race multiple times. To prevent the coming of the Messiah and prove God a liar. I propose that contaminating the bloodline of the human race was another tactic to stop the coming Messiah with a seed war.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Seed = 2446 זֶרַע (zě·rǎʿ): n.masc.; ≡ Str 2233; TWOT 582a—1. LN 3.35 seed, i.e., a kernel part of a plant that propagates the species (Ge 1:11); 2. LN 8.70–8.77 semen, i.e., the product of the male genitals (Lev 15:16); 3. LN 9.41–9.45 child, i.e., one that is the direct offspring (Ge 15:3); 4. LN 10.14–10.48 offspring, descendant, posterity, i.e., one that is related more than one generation removed (Ge 3:15)^[2]

Why, and what was so corrupt in creation, the Lord destroyed everything with the breath of life, save what He put on the ark?

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. [emphasis mine]

Notice the plural, generations. The sense of the word “perfect” can be sinless (for all have sinned), and it can mean “mature” also. In this sense, I believe it speaks of Noah’s genetics and how humanity was created.

9459 תָּמִים (tā·mîm): adj.; ≡ Str 8549; TWOT 2522d—1. LN 79.60–79.61 without defect, unblemished, i.e., pertaining to having a good quality animal without handicap, implying a prime animal of high monetary value (Ex 12:5); 2. LN 88.1–88.11 blameless, innocent, i.e., pertaining to a person or condition of moral goodness, with a focus of being guiltless and not liable for sin or wrong (Ge 6:9;^[3]

Matthew 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Kind =  ④       entities united by common traits, class, kind. of hostile spirits Mt 17:21; Mk 9:29 (Herm. Wr. 13, 2 τοῦτο τὸ γένος οὐ διδάσκεται). ^[4]

I know of no instance where a fallen angel has indwelt anyone, save Satan himself, why, because they have their bodies. Demons seem to behave as if they once had flesh bodies. Without a host body, being wandering spirits, they crave the fleshly lusts they once experienced in a body.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

With the above exegesis in mind, Jesus is telling us there will be a repeat of this in the future. Is that transhumanist future now here? Need I mention official government announcements of the creation of genetically modified super soldiers, astronauts, etc.? The experimentation and DNA modification taking place?

What does it mean to be human? What percentage of our human DNA can be changed or manipulated to cease to be 100% human?

Answer: Some geneticists claim <1%.

Christ died for humanity here on earth; angels and demons are unredeemable. Here is an interesting thought on redemption.

There is little dispute that those who pledge allegiance to the Antichrist and receive his mark are condemned to Hell. With no chance of forgiveness, Grace, or salvation. Except for the unpardonable sin, I can think of nothing else that automatically qualifies someone for condemnation. Other than rejecting the free gift through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Could there be something associated with that mark (think this Covid fiasco and advancements) that is a great incentive to butt in line to get this thing? Those who take the 666 Mark get it administered very quickly.

 

 

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^[1] Swanson, James. Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament) 1997: n. pag. Print.

^[2] Swanson, James. Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament) 1997: n. pag. Print.

^[3] Swanson, James. Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament) 1997: n. pag. Print.

^[4] Arndt, William et al. A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature 2000: 195. Print.

[Dennis1209]

10 hours ago, Not of the World said:

My wife (at the time) and I had an encounter with a demon or dark angel.  No question about it.  

If you are willing, I would like to hear the details.

As far as I am aware, I have had no perceivable visual or hearing encounters with the dark side.

This is hearsay and a long time ago. My grandfather was a devout Christian witnessing to a man one time and told me the story. As my grandfather was leading a man to Christ, his wife burst forth, and he said she was demonically possessed.

If you knew my grandfather, he was not easily shaken or frightened. After hearing this (the early 70s), I wish I could remember more and have asked him some questions. At that time, I had slipped, starting to live a carnal life, but that is another story.

One thing that applies to both spiritual and physical war is knowing your enemy and his tactics. Our Bible goes into detail on both. One need not go to a war college or read Sun Tzu and The Art of War.

The word demons means intelligence. We are not to try and outsmart them, that would be foolish and disobeying God, we would lose. Hence our Eph. 6 armor and to stand against the wiles, with one offensive weapon. 

Later, if there is any interest, I’ll post what demons do and why.

[missmuffet]

20 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

If anyone is interested, I would like to discuss our enemies and adversaries, the demonic world. What can they do to individuals and churches, and our armor and why and how to use it (Eph. 6).

But before doing that, it would be beneficial to distinguish between fallen angels, demons, devils, evil spirits, and unclean spirits. Are they all synonymous, or are they different classes of fallen beings, some more menacing and powerful than others?

Acts 8:6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. 7. For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. [emphasis added]

The Bible records a real problem with devils, evil spirits, and unclean spirits one hundred and nineteen times. Jesus and the apostles cast out countless demons during the first century alone. Do we think there is not just as big a problem today as when Jesus walked the earth? How many possessions today are diagnosed as a medical condition and treated and controlled using pharmakeia?

Before I opine, my thoughts on why fallen angels are not Biblical devils, evil spirits, or unclean spirits, and continue. Those that believe all of them are fallen, angels. I ask for one example or mention of Daimonion, diabolos, saiyr, or shed before Noah’s flood, I cannot find any. The individual being of the “serpent” is not the same as what I am asking.

Please back up your views with scripture, and I will reciprocate.

The category of the different fallen angels are the same with just a different name. Fallen angels have been divided into two classes. Those who are free and those who are bound. 

Today a person can be dealing with demonic influence instead of actually being possessed by demonic spirits like we see in the Bible. People open their lives to demonic involvement. Satan and his evil host can't do anything that God doesn't allow them to do Job 1-2.

 

[Waggles]

23 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I ask for one example or mention of Daimonion, diabolos, saiyr, or shed before Noah’s flood, I cannot find any. The individual being of the “serpent” is not the same as what I am asking.

And yet God identifies this most high and powerful angel that spoke as a reptile (?) to Eve and Adam -

So who was in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve?

Ezekiel 28:11  Moreover, the word of the LORD came to me: 
12  “Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord GOD: “You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 
13  You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle; and crafted in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared. 
14  You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. 
15  You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you. 
16  In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and I destroyed you, O guardian cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 
17  Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendour. I cast you to the ground; I exposed you before kings, to feast their eyes on you. 
18  By the multitude of your iniquities, in the unrighteousness of your trade you profaned your sanctuaries; so I brought fire out from your midst; it consumed you, and I turned you to ashes on the earth in the sight of all who saw you. 
19  All who know you among the peoples are appalled at you; you have come to a dreadful end and shall be no more forever.” 

[Waggles]

God has a problem with betrayal in the Heavens - betrayal seems to be a theme through the Bible which is why loyalty and faithfulness are such highly valued traits for salvation 

Isaiah 14:11  Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, the sound of your harps; maggots are laid as a bed beneath you, and worms are your covers. 
12  “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! 
13  You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; 
14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ 
15  But you are brought down to Sheol, to the far reaches of the pit.