Reconciling 6 Days with 13.7 Billion Years

[BeyondET]

11 minutes ago, NotMyRealName said:

Where does a circle begin?  Cycles are everywhere in nature.  Seasons, day/night, years, trees die to add to soil to grow more trees.  Rocks erode, compress to sedimentary rock, get pushed down deep and change to metamorphic rock and later emerge again.  How old was Adam when he was created?  We don't know, but he was a man, not a boy or baby.  When he was a day old he was also X years old.  And if we could travel back in time and cut down a tree outside the Garden of Eden we could count the rings and hence the years of age for that tree that was less than a week old. I'm sure the forests had good soil.  Soil that would show decomposed plant matter.  And we would find plants of various points in their life cycle.  Perhaps we would also pick up a rock and have it tested for age finding it was 4 billion years old even though it was created in the week.  God made the cycles and picked some point within each one to start things off.

Yea like building a computer got to place a motherboard processor ram hard drive all the necessary components in the shell of the computer before ever thinking about adding power to it.

[Tristen]

5 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Yea like building a computer got to place a motherboard processor ram hard drive all the necessary components in the shell of the computer before ever thinking about adding power to it.

To continue the analogy - 

All of these components come completed in their super-complex, created, final/mature forms - and can be physically made into a functioning "computer" in much less than a day.

[BeyondET]

12 hours ago, Tristen said:

To continue the analogy - 

All of these components come completed in their super-complex, created, final/mature forms - and can be physically made into a functioning "computer" in much less than a day.

The components alone don't make it a computer. All the components combined makes it a functional computer.

[Guest]

On 12/26/2022 at 8:13 PM, Vine Abider said:

Thanks for sharing your background!  I could have guessed a little of that, from how intellectually you've responded on a few things.  (I have the pleasure of knowing a couple PhDs and can sorta sense it . . .)

I too have worked with a number of PhD's over my 50 years in the work force including two Germans from World War II. There are many PhD's in silicon wafer production. There are also many PhD's in military equipment design, airplane engine and rocket engine design. I respect them, but I also sincerely respect those I've worked with without a degree.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, BeyondET said:

The components alone don't make it a computer. All the components combined makes it a functional computer.

As someone who assembled and programmed computers, it takes more than one person to conceive, build and run a functional computer. I think the analogy falls short, imho.

[BeyondET]

10 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

As someone who assembled and programmed computers, it takes more than one person to conceive, build and run a functional computer. I think the analogy falls short, imho.

I use to build them and load the operating systems also by myself. As far as making the components might take a few. But surely not to assemble the components or program it. So in making a human its got afew components before hand imo.

Edited January 6, 2023 by BeyondET

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

I use to build them and load the operating systems also by myself. As far as making the components might take a few. But surely not to assemble the components or program it. So in making a human its got afew components before hand imo.

Congrats. You and I are in the minority in this age we find ourselves in.

[BeyondET]

4 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Congrats. You and I are in the minority in this age we find ourselves in.

Most certainly but hey I don't mind, and sometimes it might be for the best.

[Tristen]

On 1/6/2023 at 12:24 PM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I too have worked with a number of PhD's over my 50 years in the work force including two Germans from World War II. There are many PhD's in silicon wafer production. There are also many PhD's in military equipment design, airplane engine and rocket engine design. I respect them, but I also sincerely respect those I've worked with without a degree.

 

My first comment is that it seems to me that your perspective on authority/expertise depends on whether or not you are using the authority to support your position. On many occasions, I’ve tried to coax an argument out of you – and you insist that having an expert who disagrees with me should be enough to sway my position. Yet here, it is pointed out that an authority disagrees with you, and you proceed to mitigate the importance of authority.

I actually wholeheartedly agree with the latter point – that quality of argument is far more logically relevant to the truth of a matter, than are the credentials of the one making the argument. Though I'm not sure you recognize that you are dealing with the issue of authority inconsistently.

 

My second comment is a matter of context. I did not ever suggest, in any sense, that my credentials should impact how my arguments are assessed. I made passing mention of my credentials as part of my background information – which was provided to combat the suggestion made by @Vine Abider that one’s conclusion on the issue of origins is a consequence of upbringing, rather than thoughtful, prudent, diligent consideration of the topic.

 

[Tristen]

On 1/6/2023 at 12:31 PM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

As someone who assembled and programmed computers, it takes more than one person to conceive, build and run a functional computer. I think the analogy falls short, imho.

I think the analogy makes sense if the goal is to show a creative process - i.e. that the fundamental components of the thing being made (created) can be brought together first, followed by the subsequent formation (hardware assembly) and filling (software installation).