Reconciling 6 Days with 13.7 Billion Years

[BeyondET]

Just now, FreeGrace said:

You are STILL misunderstanding any point here.  Gen 1:1 isn't about planning.  Nor is it about what God is thinking of doing.  It is about what God DID in the beginning.

When did you?  I never made any such kind of notion.  Only you.

v.1 is a statement about when God actually created the universe/earth.

v.2 is a statement about the earth becoming a wasteland, and everything else is the restoration to make the earth inhabitable for man.

Those who believe in a very young earth have to explain WHY God would DECEIVE mankind with apparent age.  There is no good reason.

Those who reject the ruin-reconstruction view but do believe in a very old earth must come up with a reasonable explanation of why the earth is so old.

The title of the book was verse 1 before it was called Genesis.

Now everything else had to be restored to make earth habitable, your story grows and grows.

[FreeGrace]

7 hours ago, JimmyB said:

Your post shows strong bias, which has no supporting evidence, but only your opinion.

Thanks for your opinion.  I've given FACTS.  I am not responsible for how folks read them, or misread them.

7 hours ago, JimmyB said:

I stand by what I said.  You have given no evidence for your mistranslation and no evidence of how/why the earth that God created somehow decayed.

I never said "decayed".  Where did you get that word from?  Tohu means wasteland.

7 hours ago, JimmyB said:

  You are basing your hypothesis on one word!

No, I'm basing the meaning of several words on how they are translated throughout the OT.  Which is how one learns what words mean.

You're very confused.

[FreeGrace]

7 hours ago, JimmyB said:

LOL!  You keep repeating this same mistranslation.  You haven't given a single answer to the question: HOW did this supposed decay/destruction occur?  What god/being destroyed God's creation?

Please read through the thread.  I've repeatedly made the point that God didn't tell us what happened that caused the earth to be a wasteland.  You're asking about what God hasn't provided.

[FreeGrace]

6 hours ago, JimmyB said:

You have focused on "tohu" as the significant word, now you're changing it!  Again, please explain HOW this happened. Since you haven't done so after several requests, it is obvious that you can't.

I'm sorry but you are maybe just too confused to follow any of this.  I've not changed anything.  There are several signficant words in v.2.  "waw", "hayah" and "tohu".  Those who follow this thread already know all this.  

[FreeGrace]

53 minutes ago, JimmyB said:

How do you know what God was or was not thinking?  You are digging yourself a bigger hole.

If you had understood my post, you wouldn't have asked this silly question.  I never addressed what God was thinking.  lol

[BeyondET]

2 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Actually, there is NO SUCH THING as a clay cup UNTIL it is made.  It's only a plan until it actually exists.  So you are STILL confused.

I guess you are trying to describe the thought, notion, or plan about an object not yet being made that would be formless.

Then, just say your thoughts are formless, for that is what you mean. 

lol.  Of course it was.  v.1 says so.  God created the earth.  He didn't create parts that He then put together to "form" an earth.  

God didn't think about the earth.  He spoke it into existence.  But you don't want to discuss Psa 33:9.  Why?

So there's no such thing as an ark before it is built?. 

You are definitely confused if you think something can't be mentioned before it is made. You completely contradicted scripture.

Gen 6

14Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; make rooms in the ark and coat it with pitch inside and out.

15And this is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high.

[BeyondET]

38 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

You are STILL misunderstanding any point here.  Gen 1:1 isn't about planning.  Nor is it about what God is thinking of doing.  It is about what God DID in the beginning.

Those who reject the ruin-reconstruction view but do believe in a very old earth must come up with a reasonable explanation of why the earth is so old.

A ruin reconstruction would mean God didn't do a good job creating earth in the beginning and it had to be restored. I guess the first day wasn't good at all was it?

Edited July 11, 2023 by BeyondET

[teddyv]

2 hours ago, BeyondET said:

A ruin reconstruction would mean God didn't do a good job creating earth in the beginning and it had to be restored. I guess the first day wasn't good at all was it?

I mentioned in a previous post that ruin-reconstruction is often tied to Enoch, dealing with the rebellion of Azazel and the angels which laid waste to the earth. This is supposed to have happened between 1:1 and 1:2. Then the creation narrative from 1:2 onward is the reconstruction of the current created order.

[FreeGrace]

3 hours ago, BeyondET said:

So there's no such thing as an ark before it is built?.

Looks like some sunlight!  Correcr.  There is only a plan, either on paper or in the head.  But an ark is a large boat.  Until Noah put it all together, it wasn't an ark.  

3 hours ago, BeyondET said:

You are definitely confused if you think something can't be mentioned before it is made. You completely contradicted scripture.

I never said any such thing.  It is impossible to have any kind of discussion with one who doesn't carefully read the posts of others.  Of course the ark could be mentioned before it was made.  How silly to think otherwise.  However, UNTIL it was FINISHED, it wasn't an ark.  

3 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Gen 6

14Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; make rooms in the ark and coat it with pitch inside and out.

15And this is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high.

Sure.  God told Noah to build an ark.  An object.  Which had form when finished.

There is NOTHING in Genesis 1 about God forming some matter to make the earth.  That's where you are quite off-road.

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, BeyondET said:

A ruin reconstruction would mean God didn't do a good job creating earth in the beginning and it had to be restored. I guess the first day wasn't good at all was it?

Except you conveniently ignore the the Bible tells us that the earth BECAME a wasteland.  It sure didn't say that God's earth was so poorly built that it fell apart.

Your ideas about what I have clearly stated are far from reality.  I suggest you read quite a bit more carefully before you post and embarrass yourself.

I never even suggested that God was a poor Creator.  That foolishness is on you.