Is speaking in tongues the norm ?

[Waggles]

Personal testimonies to the truth of Pentecostal faith

https://www.therevivalfellowship.com/changed-lives-testimonies

https://www.therevivalfellowship.com/changed-lives-testimonies/2022/god-proved-himself-to-daniel

Daniel's testimony 

My conviction in Jesus Christ started in 1987. Prior to that date I always considered myself a Christian. I attended Sunday school when young. My belief was shaken though in 1985 during an English class debate at high school. The topic was "God vs Evolution". I was on the side of God and our team was comprehensively beaten.

This was the start of my search for answers. Is there a God? Were we evolved? How did the universe come into being? I poured into books on religion, mysticism, spiritualism and science. I wanted proof. I wanted answers.

One night February 1987 I prayed to God and asked if he could send me two angels to show me a miracle. I made a point that night if I do not get an answer I would be a non-believer.

The next morning two men approached me in the mall and started telling me about their personal experience with God. They told me how they received the Holy Spirit and their lives changed. I was invited to their church and saw the people were full of joy and conviction in their belief.

I got down on my knees and started praying, "God if you are real prove it to me". Immediately I was speaking another language, a language I do not understand. I was shown in the bible in the book of Acts chapter 2 how the disciples of Jesus all spoke in "tongues" when they received the Holy Spirit. I knew at that time God is real. That was the start of my conviction and true belief.

I did not hesitate to get baptised by full immersion just as Jesus was baptised. Since then I have seen numerous miracles in my life. My two sons are miracles babies because we were told my wife would not be able to conceive. They are now 10 and 8 years old.

[Waggles]

Praying in tongues is God given and transcends the natural mind - yes even our natural hearts and minds are brought under spiritual subjection to God who dwells within the Spirit-filled disciple.

James 3:3  If we put bits into the mouths of horses so that they obey us, we guide their whole bodies as well. 
4  Look at the ships also: though they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are guided by a very small rudder wherever the will of the pilot directs. 
5  So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! 
6  And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell. 
7  For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, 
8  but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. 
9  With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God. 
10  From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. 

Zephaniah 3:9  “For at that time I will change the speech of the peoples to a pure speech, that all of them may call upon the name of the LORD and serve him with one accord.

1Cor 12:3  Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

Edited December 28, 2022 by Waggles

[Ocean]

On 12/27/2022 at 5:00 PM, AdHoc said:

I think that not a rude word was written by either side. I even added a "SMILE".

I chose to move on because what I wanted to say was said in my first posting on page 1 - about halfway down. You did not enter into my argument, so it stands.

As for "taking prophecy from the OT and apply to speaking in the new", why, I did not do it. Paul under inspiration did it. You will have to take up the matter with the Holy Spirit - not me. But then you immediately did it by quoting verse 21 from the Law. You would put a restriction on me that you yourself refuse.

But on your quote above I will comment. You have missed the point. They ARE under judgment. The "Unbelievers" mentioned here are not people who do not believe the gospel. They are members of the Church who have no faith. You should have taken care of the context. It is not Babylonians but Israel - God's People - who should have believed Isaiah, and if not Isaiah, then their deportation to a nation who speaks in an unknown tongue.

The bottom line is that if you have a hoard babbling in unknown tongues in your midst, it is a sign of UNBELIEF AMONG GOD'S PEOPLE!

Just in case you don't believe that a Christian can be in unbelief here is Hebrews 3.12 - written to those of the heavenly calling (v.1)

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God

 

Just another skewed view of what scripture actually states...ho hum

moving on is a good idea though 

[farouk]

On 12/10/2022 at 11:29 PM, walla299 said:

There are denominations out there that believe this but it is not a salvation issue. I usually point out that Paul makes it clear that it is the Holy Spirit who decide who gets what gift in 1 Corinthians 12-14.

@walla299 I always tend to reflect that now - as opposed to the initial Apostolic transitional period - we have the complete revelation of the Scriptures in any case......