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Just now, Michael37 said:

We should aim to abide & edify, keeping the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Can I get an Amen!

Amen.

[Roymond]

3 minutes ago, heartwashed3 said:

I know that I have run out of forums to post on (Worthy is the last available forum that I have been allowed access to); and I don't think it is because of a bad attitude on my part.  It is because my doctrine is offensive to some people (see Galatians 5:11).  For example, I have contended with those who have the tendency to preach grace as a license for immorality and in one particular instance, in such a battle, a single moderator took the side of the person who was doing so and I was banned for preaching the truth.  In other instances I have been banned for emphasizing the Oneness of the Lord in my preaching of the Trinity.  I don't think that I denied the Trinity but that was the accusation.  I believe that the people that I was contending with were actually Tritheists at heart and were hiding behind the label of Trinitarian in order to more effectively combat the concept that God is three-in-one...I have chosen against re-hashing the Trinity doctrine here for fear of a repeat of what happened there....my being banned because of the false accusation that I deny the Trinity.  In some other cases, I have championed the doctrine of entire sanctification and have been banned for doing so.

Issues regarding the Trinity are a great reason to read the church Fathers; they faced every way the concept could be twisted and figured out how to correct them.  What you experienced is -- guessing without looking -- a repay of the old rivalry between Alexandrian theologians and Antiochene ones, one side emphasizing threeness and the other emphasizing oneness.

But be careful with the word "Oneness", especially if you capitalize it, because it is the label for an ancient heresy that has sprouted again in modern times.  It's but a very short step from there to Modalism or Docetism!

Banned for championing "entire sanctification" isn't surprising since that position is contrary to plain statements of scripture, though I'm not going to go into that here, though I'll throw in an old Latin term for the matter:  non posse non peccare, "[It is] not possible to not sin".  It's a question that has been argued in every century since the church first had philosophical theologians.

[heartwashed3]

I believe that scripture clearly teaches entire sanctification (in such passages as 1 John 3:9, Hebrews 10:14, 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24; 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10; which is not an exhaustive list).

I would say that Romans 8:12 (NLT) clinches it for me.  It says that we are not obligated to obey the flesh.

Therefore the doctrine of the inevitability of sin is the true heresy.

[heartwashed3]

I think that the doctrine of entire sanctification is opposed because of its implications.  People don't like it because of the fact that it is convicting.

But Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would come and convict people, not only of sin and judgment; but of righteousness.

Edited December 16, 2022 by heartwashed3

[ayin jade]

1 hour ago, Roymond said:

In my experience many who are quick are that way because they've been burned badly trying to work things out with others.

I made a rule for myself to count up to forty before reporting anyone or anything, while pondering the advice of Martin Luther concerning the commandment against false witness:  put the best construction on everything!  Basically never hit "report" unless you can't see any way to view it as good.

BTW, that makes me wonder:  is "report" used here when a member has a problem with another, i.e. as a "Help!" button?  I recall a discussion board where when you clicked on "report" there was a menu of reasons for reporting, ranging from "Help me deal with a jerk" to "This post is so vile we need an exorcist" (yeah, the folks who ran it had a sense of humor).

There are many reasons for using the report button. But the actions taken are only if 1. Violation of terms of service 2. Troll is posting filth. 3. Something is posted against the statement of faith. The type of action is usually deleting posts or threads or a posting in response. For the most part people shouldn't worry.

[heartwashed3]

8 minutes ago, Roymond said:

It's a question that has been argued in every century since the church first had philosophical theologians.

Very clearly, one side has been argued by those who want to keep a sinful lifestyle and the other side by those who champion holiness.

[heartwashed3]

11 minutes ago, Roymond said:

Issues regarding the Trinity are a great reason to read the church Fathers; they faced every way the concept could be twisted and figured out how to correct them.

I think that the creeds are good except that in certain instances they contradict scripture itself (such as Luke 1:35; which says that Jesus was begotten in the incarnation; and Romans 1:3; which says that He was made of the seed of David according to the flesh).  They could have made their statements more clearly so as not to seem to contradict these scriptures.

[ayin jade]

A suggestion? Start a thread on the topic.

[Roymond]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

You ignored my other question on another thread. Are you Catholic?

I haven't seen the question before.

Technically I'm evangelical orthodox catholic (but nothing to do with the denomination with that name).  Think partway between Catholic, Lutheran, and Orthodox.

[Roymond]

2 hours ago, Michael37 said:

We should aim to abide & edify, keeping the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Can I get an Amen!

Edited December 16, 2022 by George
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