New Jerusalem - size and shape

[Revelation Man]

22 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Rev Man,

I agree with you and would add -

The Priesthood - l44 cubits of the wall.

                                                        

               ` Then he measured its wall: 144 cubits

 according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel.`

                                                                                 (Rev. 21: 17)

This foundations of God`s government is the 12 apostles, kings ruling. Then we read of the Priesthood with them. They are symbolised by the `144 cubits.`  This is what God promised to Israel.

                     ` And you shall be to me a kingdom of Priests

                                       and a holy nation.`

                                                                      (Ex. 19: 6) 

These Priests are revealed to us when God sealed them at the beginning of the tribulation. They came from every tribe in Israel, 12 x 12 = 144,000.

 

                   `Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees

       till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.

         And I heard the number of those who were sealed.

   144,000 of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed.`                                                                                                            (Rev. 14: 1 – 5)

 

These 144,000 Priests are also shown with the Lord on Mount Zion.

      `Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion

                                 and with Him 144,000,

          having His Father`s name written on their foreheads.`

                                                                                                               (Rev. 14: 1)

These 144,000 are described as priests. They have followed the Lamb and not false religions, or idols etc. They are pure, symbolised by being `virgins.`

           ` These are the ones who were not defiled with women,

                                   for they are virgins.

       These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes.`                                                                                                               (Rev. 14: 4)

 

 

Glad to hear it made sense. However I go deeper on the 144,000 priests. I see it as the same as Christs 10 brides (completion) and the 144,000 are merely a code for the Jews who repent, both men and women, they are called male virgins, like we are called female virgins. Israel was first, we are 2nd, thus they are deemed male virgins, but we both are made whole by God the Redeemer (Jesus) or Yeshua which means Salvation. 

Most people do not grasp what I propose the seals are, just the book/scroll of judgments being sealed, only when all 7 seals are off do we get God's Wrath. That's why seal #7 is over in Rev. 8 and why Rev. 7 is really the Jews fleeing Judea. God even says hold up the four winds (God's judgments) until I have sealed the 144,000 (3.5-5 million Jews who repents). 

You see, I see Rev. as actual events, not this book that can not be understood, we can understands it and it rolls in a perfect symmetry, but we have to use the Old Testament codes and even numbers to unscramble it all.

So, Rev. 4 and 5 is the Raptured Church in Heaven. Rev. 6 is Jesus standing before the Raptured Church opening the seals, which brigs judgments, he prophesies 6 times, the first 5 is God telling about an Anti-Christs rule on earth, again its done with four horses of Zechariah, but its just code for one mans coming rule. He Conquers, takes away peace, brings famine, brings sickness/death and the grave, all four over a 42 month period. And he also Martyrs the Gentile Converts (Remnant Church), he can't get and the Jews who convert because they will flee in Rev. 7. Then in Seal #6 Jesus only needs to prophesy once about God's coming wrath, its self explanatory, we can read about it in Joel 2 and many other places. Then the Rev. 8 asteroid (DOTL) arrives. 

So, I don't know if you see that part like I do, but I do see 144,000, 7000, the 7 Spirits, the 7 Churches as God telling us about Completion (10), Divine Completion (7) and Fulness (12).

[Marilyn C]

28 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Glad to hear it made sense. However I go deeper on the 144,000 priests. I see it as the same as Christs 10 brides (completion) and the 144,000 are merely a code for the Jews who repent, both men and women, they are called male virgins, like we are called female virgins. Israel was first, we are 2nd, thus they are deemed male virgins, but we both are made whole by God the Redeemer (Jesus) or Yeshua which means Salvation. 

Most people do not grasp what I propose the seals are, just the book/scroll of judgments being sealed, only when all 7 seals are off do we get God's Wrath. That's why seal #7 is over in Rev. 8 and why Rev. 7 is really the Jews fleeing Judea. God even says hold up the four winds (God's judgments) until I have sealed the 144,000 (3.5-5 million Jews who repents). 

You see, I see Rev. as actual events, not this book that can not be understood, we can understands it and it rolls in a perfect symmetry, but we have to use the Old Testament codes and even numbers to unscramble it all.

So, Rev. 4 and 5 is the Raptured Church in Heaven. Rev. 6 is Jesus standing before the Raptured Church opening the seals, which brigs judgments, he prophesies 6 times, the first 5 is God telling about an Anti-Christs rule on earth, again its done with four horses of Zechariah, but its just code for one mans coming rule. He Conquers, takes away peace, brings famine, brings sickness/death and the grave, all four over a 42 month period. And he also Martyrs the Gentile Converts (Remnant Church), he can't get and the Jews who convert because they will flee in Rev. 7. Then in Seal #6 Jesus only needs to prophesy once about God's coming wrath, its self explanatory, we can read about it in Joel 2 and many other places. Then the Rev. 8 asteroid (DOTL) arrives. 

So, I don't know if you see that part like I do, but I do see 144,000, 7000, the 7 Spirits, the 7 Churches as God telling us about Completion (10), Divine Completion (7) and Fulness (12).

Hi Rev. Man,

I do agree with much of what you say. 

As to the 10 virgins, they are symbolic, (as you say) for Israel being under the Law. (10). 5 for the number of grace. 

The 10 Virgins.

Jesus is speaking to the people of Israel. He came to confirm the promises of the fathers to Israel. (Rom. 15: 8) One of the promises was that God would send a Redeemer to Israel. The book of Ruth wonderfully illustrates this Redeemer who had to fulfil four requirements - 1. Be the nearest of kin. 2. Uphold God`s law. 3. Clear the debt. 4.Consummate the marriage union.

Jesus, as Israel`s Kinsman redeemer fulfilled the first three while the last is still to come. This is portrayed in the parable of the 10 Virgins.

SYMBOLS & their MEANINGS.

10 - the Law.

5 - grace.

Virgins - Israel.

Lamps - their life.

Oil - Holy Spirit.

Slumbered & slept - Unaware.

Buying more oil - from God not people.

Midnight - darkest hour, tribulation.

Bridegroom - Jesus.

Jesus has been talking to the people of Israel concerning `being awake, ` `watch for His coming. `(Matt. 24: 44 - 51) Jesus continues on the theme of being ready. (Matt. 25: 1 - 13)

The parable of the 10 Virgins thus relates to Israel being ready for their kinsman-redeemer, Jesus, to deliver them, avenge and connect (marry) with them. Israel is under the law (10) and separated (virgin) to God.

Some of Israel receive the Holy Spirit (oil) by God`s grace, (5) while other prefer to live under the law and reject God`s Holy Spirit, (oil).   

The darkest hour of the tribulation is when the world`s armies come down from Armageddon to surround Jerusalem. Those of Israel who received the Holy Spirit are now aware (awake) and go out to meet their Kinsman-redeemer. Those who did not receive the Holy Spirit, (can`t get him from people) are disturbed and at a loss to what is happening. They are too late and cannot go into the `marriage feast.`

Marilyn.

[JoeCanada]

11 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

I'll just stop you there. The value of 12,000 stadia or 1,379.86868686... miles is a LINEAR value! It is NOT a cubic value! This is why units are so important! It keeps our calculations in check. You can't validly take the cube root of 1,379.868686 miles! There's no such unit as "a cube root of a mile!" One would have to start with a unit of VOLUME, such as cubic miles, to take the cube root of it!

Hi Roy....

I'll just stop you there....

The angel who had the seven bowls says to John, "come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb"

And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain...... and showed me the holy city, jerusalem...."

Why are we told that John was carried away to a great and high mountain?

Are we to think that this was some vantage point from where he could see the city, Jerusalem?

I don't think so. 

What the angel is describing IS the city of Jerusalem. God's mountain. Paradise restored. God Almighty.... El Shaddai.... God of the mountain.

So there is our "volume". The angel measures and John states...."  the City was laid out as a square, and its length is as great as the width

John is describing a square shaped base.... just the base is a square. 

Then he says that his angel escort measured the City, 12,000 stadia and "its length and width and height are equal"

He doesn't say that each of the length and with and height are each 12,000 stadia. 

He says that the length and width and height are equal. 

Don't you remember math exams, where you're given the total and are asked to find the value of each side of a cube? L..W..H?

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, @Marilyn C and @Revelation Man.

Happy New Year to you both!

Well, there's always a few in the crowd! LOL!

Revelation Man, as I said before, God can use the numbers without losing the physical reality behind those numbers!

Marilyn, "Heaven," as often understood, is not our eternal destiny. This earth, remade as the New Earth, is our destiny. God brings the New Jerusalem down to the New Earth, and it is what will be known by the old guard as "Heaven," because each level has its own "heaven," its own "sky." 

Time to move out of the dark ages and into the truth of God's Word.

[Retrobyter]

11 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi Roy....

I'll just stop you there....

The angel who had the seven bowls says to John, "come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb"

And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain...... and showed me the holy city, jerusalem...."

Why are we told that John was carried away to a great and high mountain?

Are we to think that this was some vantage point from where he could see the city, Jerusalem?

I don't think so. 

Shalom, JoeCanada.

Then you don't yet understand the IMMENSE SIZE  of this City! This messenger took him to a great and high mountain, possibly even Mount Everest itself, so that he COULD see the entire city! When a city takes up one third of the whole sky that you can see, and you still can't see the end of one side, then one MUST go to a mountain far enough away to get a glimpse of the whole thing! Can you see from Canada to Florida? No? Maybe you could if you were high enough on a mountain somewhere close to the middle of one of its sides to see the whole ciity. 

Did you know that "in the spirit" means "on the wind?" Yes, this messenger took him on the wind to a high mountain so he could see the whole of the city descending to the earth!

11 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

What the angel is describing IS the city of Jerusalem. God's mountain. Paradise restored. God Almighty.... El Shaddai.... God of the mountain.

Yes, the messenger is describing the Holy City, the NEW Jerusalem, Yerushalayim haChadashah! And, yes, El Shadday, YHWH Eloheinuw, will dwell with us and be our God and we shall be His people, both Israeliym and Goyim! He will be MORE than just God of the Mountain, however! Paradise (which means the "Park") WILL be restored, starting within the New Jerusalem! 

Yochanan ("John") described it well in Revelation 22:1-5!

Revelation 22:1-5 (KJV)

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

And, Yeeshuwa` TOLD us through His letter to the messenger of the called-out assembly at Ephesus:

Revelation 2:7 (KJV)

7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

"Paradise" comes from the Greek word "paradeisos":

3857 paradeisos παράδεισος, ου, ὁ (par-ad'-i-sos). Of Oriental origin (compare pardeec); a park, i.e. (specially), an Eden (place of future happiness, "paradise"):
-- paradise.

6508 pardeec (pardes) פַרְדֵּס (par-dace'). Of foreign origin; a park:
-- forest, orchard.

So, tell me again; HOW is this not real and physical?!

11 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

So there is our "volume". The angel measures and John states...."  the City was laid out as a square, and its length is as great as the width

John is describing a square shaped base.... just the base is a square. 

Precisely so, if small enough.

11 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Then he says that his angel escort measured the City, 12,000 stadia and "its length and width and height are equal"

He doesn't say that each of the length and with and height are each 12,000 stadia. 

He says that the length and width and height are equal. 

Don't you remember math exams, where you're given the total and are asked to find the value of each side of a cube? L..W..H?

No one is asking one to find the value of each side of a cube! Look at this in the Greek!

Revelation 21:15-17 (KJV)

15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

The Greek of these verses is:

15 καὶ ὁ λαλῶν μετ’ ἐμοῦ εἶχε κάλαμον χρυσοῦν, ἵνα μετρήσῃ τὴν πόλιν, καὶ τοὺς πυλῶνας αὐτῆς, καὶ τὸ τεῖχος αὐτῆς. 16 καὶ ἡ πόλις τετράγωνος κεῖται, καὶ τὸ μῆκος αὐτῆς τοσοῦτόν ἐστιν ὅσον καὶ τὸ πλάτος. καὶ ἐμέτρησε τὴν πόλιν τῷ καλάμῳ ἐπὶ σταδίων δώδεκα χιλιάδων· τὸ μῆκος καὶ τὸ πλάτος καὶ τὸ ὕψος αὐτῆς ἴσα ἐστί. 17 καὶ ἐμέτρησε τὸ τεῖχος αὐτῆς ἑκατὸν τεσσαράκοντατεσσάρων πηχῶν, μέτρον ἀνθρώπου, ὅ ἐστιν ἀγγέλου.

This transliterates to ...

15 Kai ho laloon met' emou eiche kalamon chrusoun, hina metreesee teen polin, kai tous puloonas autees, kai to teichos autees. 16 Kai hee polis tetragoonos keitai, kai to meekos autees tosouton estin hoson kai to platos. Kai emetreese teen polin too kalamoo epi stadioon doodeka chiliadoon; to meekos kai to platos kai to hupsos autees isa esti. 17 Kai emetreese to teichos autees hekaton tessarakontatessaroon peechoon, metron anthroopou, ho estin aggelou.

Translated word-for-word this is ...

15 And the-[one] speaking with me held a-reed/hollow-tube of-gold, so-that he-could-measure the city, and the gates of-it, and the wall of-it. 16 And the city four-angled lies, and the length of-it so-long is like also the width. And he-measured the city with-the reed/hollow-tube above/upon stadia twelve thousands; the length and the width and the height of it equal are. 17 And he-measured the wall of-it a-hundred forty-four cubits, a-measure of-a-man, the-[one] is of-a-messenger.

There's NO ROOM for what you're suggesting! He measured the length, and then said that the measure of the width was like it in length! Then, He concluded with "the length and the width and the height of it are equal."

There's no mention of a "cube" in this at all! You're reading more into this than the author gave! You're suggesting doing the math BACKWARDS!

And, just a note, technically, John never said that the base was a "square!" He said it was FOUR-ANGLED, which implies that all four angles were the same. IF the structure were small enough, we would call that a "square." But, we're talking SPHERICAL GEOMETRY here!

Did you know, for instance that a TRIANGLE on the globe can have three RIGHT ANGLES?! If one starts at a point on the equator and travels to the North Pole and turns right 90 degrees he has one right angle. Then, if he travels to the equator and turns right again 90 degrees he has a second right angle. If he then travels along the equator to get back to where he started, to be facing in the same direction he started, he would have to turn right 90 degrees again, a THIRD right angle! All the while he was traveling, he could feel confident that he was walking on a flat surface the whole way! But, he would also know that he only turned right 90 degrees THREE times, a TRI-ANGLE!

This city isn't as big as an eighth of the globe, but it IS large enough that spherical geometry enters into the shape (degrees) of the angles OR the shape or bend of the sides of the city. Either way, it's too large to be your typical "square."

 

Edited December 28, 2022 by Retrobyter

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, everyone.

I've mentioned this before in another topic, but I think I should bring it up here, too, since it helps in the explanation:

The Greek word "calamos" means a "reed" or a "tube." I often wondered about  marking a tube with distances to use as a measuring instrument. We use flat objects like a "rule" ("ruler") or a "yardstick." But, this is a TUBE.

2563 calamos κάλαμος, ου, ὁ (cal'-am-os). Or uncertain affinity; a reed (the plant or its stem, or that of a similar plant); by implication, a pen:
-- pen, reed.

I suppose it could be sliced down the middle to give half a reed and a little flatter surface (with less stability), but I believe the answer lies in the SHEER SIZE of this city.

This city is said to be almost 1,380 MILES long, wide and high! How silly would it be for someone to use a measuring stick, even one ten and a half feet long, to measure that distance by using the measuring stick end-for-end the whole distance?! He'd have to use that stick 693,877 times, just for one side! Some say, "Well, that's why an angel had to do it!" But, that's a COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME AND EFFORT, when there are easier methods. Then, it finally dawned on me: "Easier methods!" ...

It's not a "yardstick"; it's a surveyor's THEODOLITE! THAT'S why it was a tube! John even said that it was one "of gold!" He didn't mention anything about glass or lenses because he wasn't being introduced to the instrument itself and didn't fully understand how the instrument worked. (At least, that's what I think. I don't know. Hebrews may have used them or knew of their usage at one time when employed to help build the cities and pyramids in Egypt.) In any case, this also explains the use of the linen plumbline! It's the way someone can measure the angle of the tube to the object being measured. By using some simple trigonometry, the distances can be more easily calculated rather than hand-measured!

This is another good reason for taking measurements from a "nearby" high mountain!

Edited December 28, 2022 by Retrobyter

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, everyone.

Something else I should mention that can be gleaned from Revelation 22:1-5:

Revelation 22:1-5 (KJV)

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 Andthey shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

The cross-section of the street, then will look like this:

street - park - river - park - street

(Please forgive the basic picture. I'm not a trained artist. The name on the pearl is "R'uwVeen" or "Reuben")

It will be similar to how many of our Interstate Highways are built today, with a median in the middle of the highway. The only exception is that this highway within the city will also have a river flowing down through the middle of the median, as well, to water the parks!

As I've already said, the street finds its way to the twelve gates. Therefore, it seems only reasonable that the parks and the river will also find their way to the twelve gates! Where would they go from there? Out onto the New Earth, of course! Even if all the oceans were gone (because John said, "there was no more sea"), which I don't really believe, there would at least be this MASSIVE watering system associated with each gate! With gates separated by 460 miles, this would provide waterways spreading out in all directions evenly!

We should also see in Revelation 21 ...

Revelation 21:24-27 (KJV)

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

As I believe I said already, this city is almost 1,380 miles high! If one takes the model of the New Jerusalem's measurements on the globe I described before, and just uses line-of-sight, to the points where one can last see the top of the stick, representing the height of the city, one will find that one will be able to see the pinnacle from Norway to Zimbabwe, and from Morocco to China! And, since the pinnacle is the source of light, its light will be able to be seen from farther distances than that! Those are just the places where the light of the city can be seen like a sunrise or a sunset on the horizon!

You might have guessed by now, I've been thinking about this city for a VERY LONG TIME!

Edited December 28, 2022 by Retrobyter
to offset the Scriptures with color

[JoeCanada]

11 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, JoeCanada.

Then you don't yet understand the IMMENSE SIZE  of this City! This messenger took him to a great and high mountain, possibly even Mount Everest itself, so that he COULD see the entire city! When a city takes up one third of the whole sky that you can see, and you still can't see the end of one side, then one MUST go to a mountain far enough away to get a glimpse of the whole thing! Can you see from Canada to Florida? No? Maybe you could if you were high enough on a mountain somewhere close to the middle of one of its sides to see the whole ciity. 

Hi Roy,

The problem I see with this is, if John is being shown New Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven...... then he wouldn't have been carried away to a mountain on earth to view this, because all the mountains have been flattened and all the valleys raised:

Isaiah 40:4-5....... Let every valley be lifted up,
And every mountain and hill be made low;
And let the rough ground become a plain,
And the rugged terrain a broad valley;
Then the glory of the Lord will be revealed,
And all flesh will see it together;
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken

Micah 1:3-4........ For behold, the Lord is coming forth from His place.
He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth.
The mountains will melt under Him
And the valleys will be split,
Like wax before the fire,
Like water poured down a steep place.

In Ezekiel's vision, the angelic surveyor gave Ezekiel thorough measurements of the Holy Allotment and the city that would be at the south end. 

THE HOLY ALLOTMENT!

The size of the City of NJ that you and most others are sticking with is almot 100 times bigger than the Holy Allotment measured by the angel in Ezekiels vision. (Ezek 40, 41, 42)

In Ezekiel 43:7, we read:

 "He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the sons of Israel forever. And the house of Israel will not again defile My holy name, neither they nor their kings, by their harlotry and by the corpses of their kings when they die"

The Holy Allotment is established by the angelic surveyor. It will not change.

 

[Justin Adams]

It is apocalyptic and represents Jubilee years and times. See how may 25 and 50 etc fit into it.

[Retrobyter]

10 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi Roy,

The problem I see with this is, if John is being shown New Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven...... then he wouldn't have been carried away to a mountain on earth to view this, because all the mountains have been flattened and all the valleys raised:

Isaiah 40:4-5....... Let every valley be lifted up,
And every mountain and hill be made low;
And let the rough ground become a plain,
And the rugged terrain a broad valley;
Then the glory of the Lord will be revealed,
And all flesh will see it together;
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken

Micah 1:3-4........ For behold, the Lord is coming forth from His place.
He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth.
The mountains will melt under Him
And the valleys will be split,
Like wax before the fire,
Like water poured down a steep place.

Shalom, JoeCanada.

LOL! Timing is EVERYTHING! It's totally wrong to think that the New Jerusalem is coming down to the SAME EARTH! Yeeshuwa` comes to "Earth 2" and is here for the Millennium in which haSatan is chained in the Bottomless Pit. In the meantime, He is reigning from OLD Jerusalem, subduing all of His enemies until the last enemy to subdue is death at the Great White Throne Judgment and the Lake of Fire and Sulfur! 

After all this, "when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all." Then God creates the NEW EARTH, "Earth 3," and The New Jerusalem descends upon "Earth 3!"

Tell me, do you think that God will create a NEW EARTH, "Earth 3," without mountains and valleys and vegetation and animals of all varieties?!

You're just missing a WHOLE STEP in the End Times!

10 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

In Ezekiel's vision, the angelic surveyor gave Ezekiel thorough measurements of the Holy Allotment and the city that would be at the south end. 

THE HOLY ALLOTMENT!

The size of the City of NJ that you and most others are sticking with is almot 100 times bigger than the Holy Allotment measured by the angel in Ezekiels vision. (Ezek 40, 41, 42)

In Ezekiel 43:7, we read:

"He said to me, 'Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the sons of Israel forever. And the house of Israel will not again defile My holy name, neither they nor their kings, by their harlotry and by the corpses of their kings when they die.'"

No, the two cities are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT! THAT'S HOW we know that there is a Millennium BEFORE the Eternal State! Ezekiel is describing a much smaller city that will fit in the current Land of Israel, between the Great Sea (the Mediterranean Sea) and the Former Sea (the "Sea in Front," the Dead Sea).

The New Jerusalem, WHICH COMES LATER, is MUCH larger than the Land can hold!

10 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

The Holy Allotment is established by the angelic surveyor. It will not change.

Sorry, but that is NOT what the "angelic surveyor" is measuring! The "Holy Allotment" is a parcel of land dedicated to God out of all the Land promised to Avraham, Yitschaq, and Ya`aqoV ("Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob") and is parceled out to His people by lot during the 1,000 years. And, among the children of Israel during that time, Gentiles too, who live among them, will be given part of that Land!

The Millennium is very DIFFERENT than most think it will be! Some think of it as if it were the New Earth already, but Paul said that it would be a time of TURMOIL and SUBDUING the Messiah's enemies outside of His Kingdom! His Kingdom starts out SMALL, like the grain of a mustard seed, or the stone cut out of a mountain, or the small amount of leaven ("yeast") put in a bushel of bread dough! It TAKES TIME for the mustard seed to grow into a tree large enough for the birds to nest! It TAKES TIME for the stone itself to grow into a huge mountain that fills the land! It TAKES TIME for the yeast to permeate the bread dough and make it rise!

When Yeeshuwa` arrives, and starts His Kingdom, it will consist of His people, the children of Israel, and those of the Gentiles who were grafted into His people. He will also annex those nations who treated His people well. Thus, He will already be a "King of kings and a Master of masters" as the nations who participated in the battle before Har Megiddown and were on HIS side become part of His Kingdom - His Empire! But, the REST of the Millennium will be spent subduing those nations who were NOT on His side! He will continue to win them over by His wisdom or He will subdue them forcefully, if they resist! However, one by one, the nations will become His! Each time He annexes more kingdoms and land, He will use some of His people to be their kings and governors, and we become kings and priests who reign with Him, providing His laws and His benefits to that new vassal state! They will benefit from His judgment and expertise, and will come to realize that it was the best thing that could have happened to their nation!

When all of the nations have been subdued and He is King of kings and Master of masters for the entire earth, then the LAST enemy is defeated when Death and the Grave themselves are thrown into the Lake of Fire and Sulfur! Then, Yeeshuwa` the Messiah of God, the King of kings, the WORLD EMPEROR, will humbly subject Himself to His Father, that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL!

When God the Father takes over, His first order of business is to re-Create the Earth! Then, when this Earth is re-born as the New Earth, the New Jerusalem will come down from God out of the sky, and land upon the New Earth! It is this NEW JERUSALEM that will be our ETERNAL home! The New Jerusalem will be our Father's house, and the New Earth will be our backyard! 

One absolutely MUST use ALL the puzzle pieces to get an accurate picture of what is going to happen in the Future. If one uses too few puzzle pieces, and tries to fit them all together into a puzzle picture, part of the picture will be MISSING!