The Beasts mark

[Salt]

Old Lucifer is a pretty shifty dude.....

And who is right? This:

Quote: "I agree with Leonard that using a chip is not likely to condemn you to hell for eternity until it is combined with worshiping the evil one."

Or what God says:

Rev 13:16-17 KJV And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 19:20 KJV And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 14:9-11 KJV And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Edited October 11, 2005 by Salt

[other one]

Old Lucifer is a pretty shifty dude.....

And who is right? This:

Quote: "I agree with Leonard that using a chip is not likely to condemn you to hell for eternity until it is combined with worshiping the evil one."

Or what God says:

Rev 13:16-17 KJV And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 19:20 KJV And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 14:9-11 KJV And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

salt, you have not and can not prove that the chip is the mark of the beast. Putting those scriptures with the assumption that the chip is the mark is not proof that it is the mark, and is not helpful.

I just agreed that it may be possible in the future for it to be his choice, but don't be so dogmatic about it for there are many other things that would work out just as easy for him. Hitler did just fine during the late 30's and 40's without the chip, and the Lord has told us that our friends and family will be selling us out to the beast. The chip may be convenient, but is no where a necessity as being the mark. A simple yellow happyface tatoo would work just fine for everyone to be on the outlook for us.... even in the local 7-11 store where you would have to show it to pick up a coke or a gallon of milk. without the yellow happy face you will have to avoid all contact with all humans and not be able to buy or sell, and there will be a special number to call if you see anyone without the yellow happyface. Just as effective and just as deadly to put on or have put on...... Worry about Lucifer if you must worry at all.

I don't know about your God, but my God would not let any of His get tricked into spending eternity in hell. If you are really his you'll know, and if you are not his,,,, it won't matter

[Mongo]

Well since this mark doesn't come about until after the rapture, I'm not too worried. If a world leader jumped up and demanded we all get new ID's and had to use them to buy and sell, I'd worry, but I'd know that the end is coming and that means Jesus will be here and nothing that happens matters in light of salvation.

[other one]

Old Lucifer is a pretty shifty dude.....

And who is right? This:

Quote: "I agree with Leonard that using a chip is not likely to condemn you to hell for eternity until it is combined with worshiping the evil one."

Or what God says:

You left this part out:

Rev 13:15And there was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast might even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Rev 13:16-17 KJV And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 19:20 KJV And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 14:9-11 KJV And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Wherever you see the mark, you also see the worship of the beast.... they go together. Once the worship is set up and you want to eat and not worship the beast you might even fake the mark, but it is still the same. You are showing your willingness to partake of the beast and his realm.

Be it a chip, a tattoo, a bar code or a yellow happy face, it all is leading toward worshiping the beast or pretending to have for the sake of your life.

If you have to look, be looking for the beast and not the mark, for the decision of taking the Luciferian oath is the requirement to enter the new order of the Luciferian world to come. The mark is simply the outward sign that you have declared yourself to be his and not the Lords, or are faking it just for things to live..

No one who is of Jesus Christ will be deceived. Only those who are not found in the book of life. So if you really want to avoid the mark of the beast and an eternity in Hell Fire, make sure that your name is in that book...... the rest is of no consequence whatsoever....

[ruah brit]

Try to live and survive in the U.S. witout their Identification number or signing your name. It's not easy. Do you think that the devil is stupid enough to make it anything other than a subtle tradition at first? Then he turned it into law. You are not a citizen without the number.

Denise

I don't have the mark of the beast. Any rumors to the contrary are erroneous.

Not to worry. When Christ's prophets come and cause the fall of the confussion you will have plenty of time to get it all out of your heart and soul before our king rises and shuts the door. But from the time you see all the waters on earth turned to blood and blistering heat world wide dry everything up, Babylon will fall and never rise again. Everything that man has created by worshiping the works of his hands will be gone and never return. Ever.

Denise

[Mongo]

Not to worry. When Christ's prophets come and cause the fall of the confussion you will have plenty of time to get it all out of your heart and soul before our king rises and shuts the door. But from the time you see all the waters on earth turned to blood and blistering heat world wide dry everything up, Babylon will fall and never rise again. Everything that man has created by worshiping the works of his hands will be gone and never return. Ever.

Denise

Well, again, I don't follow the post-trib rapture so I don't expect to be here when the Trib starts. Regardless of what happens, I believe in Christ right now and claims that I do not are held against the claimant by the Lord.

[irishcowboy]

you have to remember, that for 7 years, the Tribulation period will be....

but.... it will be a peace treaty...... a 7 year treaty.....

now during this time, many things will be taking place, including the mark, it may not be manditory for a time, for the enemy is very deceptive, and will make people think they are doing good...... once they have the mark, they are under direct control of the enemy, satan......

now half way thru the 7 year peace treaty, the treaty will be broken, and that is when all hell will break loose.... those that have the mark will remain alive serving the beast.... ( either or, taking his mark, or worshipping the beast..... those that do not have the mark by this time will be offered the mark , making it manditory... if accepted, will continue to live the physical life, but loosetheir souls.... those that reject it will loose their physical heads, but remain alive through out all eternity,, with the Lord......

plenty of time????

WRONG.....

by the time the beast is known to be the beast the time has passed.... read about what the Bible talks about what is happening now????? this world is in the midst of birthing paings.... the baby is about to pop out.....

there is no time to play games.....if you think you can wait, you may be surprised, for no one knows the day... or the hour...... if you are waiting for the point when they announce the 7 years treaty, you have missed the boat..... for if we could use that as a point in time, that would give us teh day of the rapture, and that would be totally unbiblical..... knowing the day of the rapture......

if you have not heard, the Shofar is sounding..... it is time to fil your containers with oil... prepare yourselves for the approaching Bride Groom..... it may be in seconds from now, or days, weeks or even months..... maybe years.... but Christ is coming for His Bride. and they had better be snow white clean....

mike

[Remnant]

The mark of the beast has to do with worship. The seal of the living God is the seventh-day sabbath. So the mark has be something that contests with Sabbath.

[other one]

now during this time, many things will be taking place, including the mark, it may not be mandatory for a time, for the enemy is very deceptive, and will make people think they are doing good...... once they have the mark, they are under direct control of the enemy, satan......

mike

Mike, I have read and re read Revelation 13, and I don't see where this is in the scripture. I understand how deceptive Satan is, but the first verses pretty much locks in true believers to the fold of Christ and can not be deceived.

07And it was given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them; and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. 8And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. 9If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.

NASB

It is the people not in the book of life that will be deceived, and they will all be deceived, every last one.

The chapter starts out with this beast coming up out of many waters...

0And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names. 2And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority. 3And I swine of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; 4and they worshiped the dragon, because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"

NASB

The global powers have already divided the world up into ten super nations and has a death grip on the world. They are Luciferian in origin and do worship the Devil we know as Lucifer or Satan. We await one of the leaders being killed and resurrected so to speak and it will all start. But it all starts with the demands to worship. I don't see anywhere that it talks about sneaking the mark on anyone.

[Mongo]

I've wondered if agents for the beast don't get on Christian forums and try to derail Christians. Certainly would explain a lot.