Did God restore Israel in 1948?

[dad2]

22 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Your claim is "False", the Jews will build in the "Future" unto their awaited upon (Messiah the Prince) as seen below, Messiah is cut off when armies surround Jerusalem and the building stops, its that simple

Daniel 9:25KJV

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Except Jesus already died long ago. He died 69 groups of seven years after the commandment was given to restore and build Jerusalem. He won't doe again ever.

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

Except Jesus already died long ago. He died 69 groups of seven years after the commandment was given to restore and build Jerusalem. He won't doe again ever.

My claim has nothing to do with Jesus dying on the cross of Calvary

If you have a claim, feel free to make it supported by scripture

Of course the standard teaching today claims that Jesus being cut off is the Cross of Calvary, I Disagree

Daniel 9:27, clearly states the bad guy is present on earth to the "Consummation" or "The Ultimate End", the events are future

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster

Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage

2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

(Daniel) 9:27JV

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Edited January 24, 2023 by truth7t7

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My claim has nothing to do with Jesus dying on the cross of Calvary

If you have a claim, feel free to make it supported by scripture

Of course the standard teaching today claims that Jesus being cut of is the Cross of Calvary, I disagree

Daniel 9:27, clearly states the bad guy is present on earth to the "Consummation" or "The Ultimate End", the events are future

 

The AntiChrist of course is future. However his people long ago came and destroyed Jerusalem.

Daniel 9:26

 

After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. (already happened) The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. (already happened) The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. (this refers to the future)

 

You don't get to look at the end and try to make it all future. Messiah being cut off for the sins of others is obviously about Jesus dying.

 

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Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

Yes the Great Trib is future. Nothing to do with Jesus having died for us or the subsequent destruction as Jesus prophesied of the temple.

 

 

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27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So a covenant in the end is confirmed for seven years. In the middle of this the sacrifice is taken away and the abomination set up.

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

The AntiChrist of course is future. However his people long ago came and destroyed Jerusalem.

Daniel 9:26

 

After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. (already happened) The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. (already happened) The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. (this refers to the future)

 

You don't get to look at the end and try to make it all future. Messiah being cut off for the sins of others is obviously about Jesus dying.

 

Yes the Great Trib is future. Nothing to do with Jesus having died for us or the subsequent destruction as Jesus prophesied of the temple.

 

 

So a covenant in the end is confirmed for seven years. In the middle of this the sacrifice is taken away and the abomination set up.

I Disagree with your eschatology

Jesus Christ dying on the cross has absolutely nothing to do with fulfillment of Daniel 9:26 "Messiah Cut Off", it's a future event that will see the building unto Messiah being Cut Off, as armies surround Jerusalem and stop the building "We Disagree"

There is a future 3.5 year tribulation, that will start when the Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem, claiming to be God Messiah returned

Jesus Is The Lord 

Edited January 24, 2023 by truth7t7

[dad2]

5 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

I Disagree with your eschatology

Jesus Christ dying on the cross has absolutely nothing to do with fulfillment of Daniel 9:26 "Messiah Cut Off", it's a future event that will see the building unto Messiah being Cut Off, as armies surround Jerusalem and stop the building "We Disagree"

Most commentaries and bible translations do not share your private interpretation. Nor does it have anything to do with the topic.

5 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

There is a future 3.5 year tribulation, that will start when the Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem, claiming to be God Messiah returned

Jesus Is The Lord 

Right, and...so? Is that supposed to relate to something here?

[truth7t7]

20 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Most commentaries and bible translations do not share your private interpretation. Nor does it have anything to do with the topic.

Right, and...so? Is that supposed to relate to something here?

Yes I disagree with reformed eschatology,you mention Jesus prophesied of the temple being destroyed in 70AD,this is false, the destruction Jesus talked about was his body being the temple, not a physical temple in Jerusalem as seen below 

John 2:18-22KJV

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Edited January 24, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

51 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Most commentaries and bible translations do not share your private interpretation. Nor does it have anything to do with the topic.

Right, and...so? Is that supposed to relate to something here?

Following your 1 day = 1 year theory, let's look and compare this reasonably to scripture below?

Consider the words before your eyes, 62 weeks the wall and street will be built in times of trouble?

62 x 7 = 434 years, that's a very slow construction crew, taking 434 years to get the job done, and yes people really believe the day/year theory, as common sense tells a reasonable person it's a fairy tale "before your eyes"

Yes the 70 weeks of Daniel are 490 future days, and this construction to build the wall and street will be 434 "Days"

Daniel 9:24-27KJV

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Edited January 24, 2023 by truth7t7

[dad2]

53 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Yes I disagree with reformed eschatology,you mention Jesus prophesied of the temple being destroyed in 70AD,this is false, the destruction Jesus talked about was his body being the temple, not a physical temple in Jerusalem as seen below 

John 2:18-22KJV

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

He also prophesied that the temple would be destroyed.

Matthew 24:2

 

And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

 

Our bodies do not have stones piled one upon another.

 

 

[truth7t7]

9 minutes ago, dad2 said:

He also prophesied that the temple would be destroyed.

Matthew 24:2

 

And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

 

Our bodies do not have stones piled one upon another.

 

 

When Jesus died on the cross of Calvary the veil in the temples Holy place was torn from top to bottom, the temple was destroyed and gone, not one stone left upon another in the spiritual "Gone"

As stated the temple that was talked about and destroyed was the temple of the Lord's body, and his disciples remembered what he had said

Jesus Is The Lord

 

Edited January 24, 2023 by truth7t7

[dad2]

39 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Following your 1 day = 1 year theory, let's look and compare this reasonably to scripture below?

Consider the words before your eyes, 62 weeks the wall and street will be built in times of trouble?

62 x 7 = 434 years, that's a very slow construction crew, taking 434 years to get the job done, and yes people really believe the day/year theory, as common sense tells a reasonable person it's a fairy tale "before your eyes"

It does not say that when Jesus is killed the wall will be finished or built. There are two periods given. The 49 years (7 weeks) and the 62 weeks. The total is when Jesus is here and gets cut off. The 49 years was the time the building took place.