Growing Strong Roots

[Selah7]

9 hours ago, Starise said:

Happy New year! 

Not to poke the nest here too much, but why do you suppose there are often differing opinions of believers who both studied and prayed?

I don’t know, Starise.

[farouk]

3 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

 

From my own experience, at my second birth/ spiritual birth, when I became born again by God,I was indwelled by the Holy Spirit, in other words He has taken up residence in my spirit, there he has been for the past 30 years, never ever to leave, he leads and guides us through His Spirit...over time we grow, as the Holy Spirit is sanctifying us to become more like Jesus, which is pretty incredible, you can see your flesh dying and the Spirit filling you more and more of himself....that’s my take on it,Starise...interesting subject.

Thats what I understand ,filling of the Holy Spirit to mean.

i know you asked David the question, Starise, hope you don’t mind me chiming in.🙏💗

@Rosie1jack2pauline3 This is my understanding of what happens with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit..........

Romans 8.9: "Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

[farouk]

Just now, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

◄ John 3:8 ►

Context    Crossref    Comment    Greek  Verse  (Click for Chapter) New International Version The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” New Living Translation The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.”

@Rosie1jack2pauline3 The new birth is a mystery; although we do have things revealed about it..............

[Starise]

5 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

 

From my own experience, at my second birth/ spiritual birth, when I became born again by God,I was indwelled by the Holy Spirit, in other words He has taken up residence in my spirit, there he has been for the past 30 years, never ever to leave, he leads and guides us through His Spirit...over time we grow, as the Holy Spirit is sanctifying us to become more like Jesus, which is pretty incredible, you can see your flesh dying and the Spirit filling you more and more of himself....that’s my take on it,Starise...interesting subject.

Thats what I understand ,filling of the Holy Spirit to mean.

i know you asked David the question, Starise, hope you don’t mind me chiming in.🙏💗

No worries. PLEASE comment on anything. That's what forums are for.

This is how I've always seen it too. I appreciate your reponse.

Being 'saved' means we are indwelled permenantly.

What I was trying to get at is the additional filling some speak of. It is hard to quantify because a person can make any claim, but since only they claim to have experienced it, take us claiming salvation for example. We know we are saved or that God lives in us, but how to explain this to another? 

Same idea with this 'filling' that some circles say is a second event, while others say we were filled immediately at salvation. There is a contrast between claims and the claimed experiences of a few. This all has the effect of making a divide between those who say there is something else and those who say we all have the filling.

I never came from a background that taught a second filling, and it was never really a question until I heard someone say they were saved on such and such a date and then filled with the Spirit on another date. This all seemed contradictory to what I had been taught.

[Starise]

3 hours ago, Selah7 said:

I don’t know, Starise.

That's ok. I should probably keep my thoughts to myself sometime, maybe often.

 

[Starise]

14 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Do you believe that when we are in the will of God, we are filled with the Spirit?...even though we are always indwelled by Jesus, do you think we can go our own way and lose that closeness, hope that makes sense....

Maying I’m trying to make sense of the past years..🙏

I think we can get into these merry-go-round thoughts. I'll try to explain a little later. 

God seems to fill certain individuals with certain measures of His power for specific things. For instance Sampson had great strength and killed hundreds of men when the Spirit of the Lord came upon him. We don't read of any other man having this ability in the bible, unless we want to infer David had this power since he killed Goliath with a slingshot and was able to kill hundreds of enemy soldiers single handedly. This is especially poiniant given that he wasn't a huge person.

We read that John the Baptist was filled with the Spirit in the womb. The translations might better interpret this as 'empowered through the Spirit'. IOW we already had the Spirit, but the Spirit chose to work in a certain way in a special application. At Pentacost this was another special application of the Spirit for a specific purpose.

This would all seem to indicate levels or variations in the way the Spirit works. 

Thoughts on merry-go-round thinking-

When a person thinks they are filled with the Spirit but someone else indicates there is another stage causing us to go back and wonder what we are missing. Are they correct and if so, what is their proof for it?

[Starise]

Thanks @Rosie1jack2pauline3

I will often take subjects that are sometimes questionable in trying to get closer to the truth.

[David1701]

14 hours ago, Starise said:

Filled with the Spirit. This is often taken in different ways. Do you mind sharing when and how you remember being filled with the Spirit?

Most of my protestant brethren will say they were filled with the Spirit at salvation.

We are to be being filled with the Holy Spirit.  It is not a one-off experience, but should be a daily reality.  It is sometimes confused with baptism in the Holy Spirit, which is a one-off and happens at salvation.  Baptism in the Holy Spirit is how we are put into the body of Christ.

Eph. 5:18-20 (Amp)

18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery; but ever be filled and stimulated with the [Holy] Spirit.

19 Speak out to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, offering praise with voices [[a]and instruments] and making melody with all your heart to the Lord,

20 At all times and for everything giving thanks in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God the Father.

[a] Ephesians 5:19 George R. Berry, Greek-English New Testament Lexicon.

1 Cor. 12:13 (ESV) For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit. 

[Starise]

I try to make a melody in my heart and jazz seems to come out or something else odd.

[farouk]

3 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Actually,you bring me to a place of thinking..your threads are extremely thought provoking, so don’t stop.🙏💗

@Rosie1jack2pauline3 It's good both to encourage one another and to stimulate each other to Biblical thinking....