The Three Main Views of Hell

[kwikphilly]

59 minutes ago, FactsPlease said:

I have found it strange that ANYONE believe 'Hellfire', unless simly a church believer as I once was!

Adam DIED- ceased to exist! There was not a heaven or hellfire choice given!

And Sheol, Hades, and Hell = the same: the grave, we they will be RESURRECTED from!

Okay- and then what,after the Dead are raised/ resurrected?

[FactsPlease]

5 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Okay- and then what,after the Dead are raised/ resurrected?

Fire was used to cook, heat, and destroy.

You honestly think God (or Jesus) would torture people? FOREVER?

Besides, after Revelation is finished, it tells what the "Lake of Fire" is.

The SECOND death.

One there will be no resurrection from.

[Marathoner]

6 hours ago, FactsPlease said:

Fire was used to cook, heat, and destroy.

You honestly think God (or Jesus) would torture people? FOREVER?

Besides, after Revelation is finished, it tells what the "Lake of Fire" is.

The SECOND death.

One there will be no resurrection from.

I agree. Thus, the second death (the lake of fire) is everlasting destruction. Everlasting, meaning it is final.

According to what we read in the book of Revelation, only three will be tormented forever (everlasting):

The devil, the beast, and the false prophet. 

I've asserted that for man, God is merciful; I believe that the scriptures testify of His mercy even towards the wicked. We remember how He was merciful toward Cain who murdered his brother Abel, granting his petition for protection from those who would slay him. 

The Lord extends mercy toward us in a measure He does not give to others, such as the devil and his angels. Many consider the end of this flesh and blood as death, but it is not: the resurrection of the dead to be judged proves it is not death. It is not the end.

The second death, which is the lake of fire, is death for man. There is no resurrection for those who are destroyed.

[Waggles]

2 hours ago, Marathoner said:

The second death, which is the lake of fire, is death for man. There is no resurrection for those who are destroyed.

That does not make Biblical sense. The "dead" are already resurrected from the sea and the grave in order to stand before Jesus on judgement day.

Rev 20:12  And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 
Rev 20:13  And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 

It is not annihilation that is perdition, but the casting away from the joy of being with God living and enjoying the fruit of a new Earth and a new heaven.

In the lake of fire people are on fire spiritually - burning without being consumed - ever thirsting and desiring for Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool their tongue, for we are in anguish in this flame - there is no joy and no hope of escape.

Contrast heat and discomfort (torment if you prefer) with 

Rev 22:1  Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 
22:2  through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

The scriptures are clear in teaching that the condemnation and punishment of the wicked is forever, eternity.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Waggles

[FactsPlease]

7 hours ago, Waggles said:

It is not annihilation that is perdition, but the casting away from the joy of being with God living and enjoying the fruit of a new Earth and a new heaven.

In the lake of fire people are on fire spiritually - burning without being consumed - ever thirsting and desiring for Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool their tongue, for we are in anguish in this flame - there is no joy and no hope of escape.

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You have just added to the Bible.

 

 

[Waggles]

7 hours ago, FactsPlease said:

You have just added to the Bible.

? ? ? really ? ? ?

[Marathoner]

15 hours ago, Waggles said:

That does not make Biblical sense. The "dead" are already resurrected from the sea and the grave in order to stand before Jesus on judgement day.

Rev 20:12  And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 
Rev 20:13  And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 

It is not annihilation that is perdition, but the casting away from the joy of being with God living and enjoying the fruit of a new Earth and a new heaven.

In the lake of fire people are on fire spiritually - burning without being consumed - ever thirsting and desiring for Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool their tongue, for we are in anguish in this flame - there is no joy and no hope of escape.

Contrast heat and discomfort (torment if you prefer) with 

Rev 22:1  Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 
22:2  through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

The scriptures are clear in teaching that the condemnation and punishment of the wicked is forever, eternity.

As the scripture tells us,

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15 NASB)

As it is written, the lake of fire is the second death. The scripture does not read that those whose names are not written in the book of life are tormented forever; as we read, they are cast into the lake of fire which is the second death. That is all. 

As I shared earlier in the topic, here is where we find those who will be tormented forever in the lake of fire:

And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10 NASB)

All doctrine and teaching are measured against, and therefore judged by, the testimony of scripture. The testimony of scripture is clear in this matter. 

[Vine Abider]

13 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

As it is written, the lake of fire is the second death. The scripture does not read that those whose names are not written in the book of life are tormented forever; as we read, they are cast into the lake of fire which is the second death. That is all. 

As I shared earlier in the topic, here is where we find those who will be tormented forever in the lake of fire: And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10 NASB)

All doctrine and teaching are measured against, and therefore judged by, the testimony of scripture. The testimony of scripture is clear in this matter. 

Ahh - so unredeemed humans (without a renewed, eternal spirit) go into the LOF and are burned up, but the devil, demons & fallen angel (who are eternal) are tormented forever, right?

[Marathoner]

16 hours ago, Waggles said:

In the lake of fire people are on fire spiritually - burning without being consumed - ever thirsting and desiring for Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool their tongue, for we are in anguish in this flame - there is no joy and no hope of escape.

Contrast heat and discomfort (torment if you prefer) with 

Rev 22:1  Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 
22:2  through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

The scriptures are clear in teaching that the condemnation and punishment of the wicked is forever, eternity.

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man --- Luke 16:19-31 --- does not mention the lake of fire at any time, @Waggles. Where was Lazarus after his flesh and blood body perished? He was carried by angels to Abraham's arms, referred to by some as "Abraham's bosom."

Where was the rich man who had denied Lazarus in his need? 

And in Hades he raised his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his arms. (Luke 16:23 NASB)

The rich man was in Hades, not the lake of fire. If Hades and the lake of fire were one and the same, then why would Hades be cast into the lake of fire at the end of all things when the Son of God judges the dead? As we read above from the passage in the book of Revelation, Hades gives up all of the dead who are in it, as does Death. After the dead are liberated from Death and Hades, both Death and Hades are cast into the lake of fire. And then, when they are judged by the Lord, those whose names are not written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man does not describe the judgment of the Lord at the end of all things. 

[Marathoner]

4 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Ahh - so unredeemed humans (without a renewed, eternal spirit) go into the LOF and are burned up, but the devil, demons & fallen angel (who are eternal) are tormented forever, right?

According to the testimony of scripture as written in the book of Revelation, it is so. 

We are wading into unknown waters, my friend. What we do know:

We whose lives are hidden in Jesus Christ are given everlasting life by the Son of the living God, who is well-pleased to grant this to us. We shall never taste death, meaning that neither Death nor Hades will contain us. As we read in the scriptures, this is the good pleasure of our Lord Jesus Christ. So therefore, not only are we promised that the second death (the lake of fire) has no power over us (it's not our concern), but we are seated with Him upon His throne in the heavenly places. Our place with the Lord is recorded in the book of Revelation, @Vine Abider. Remember those letters to the churches of Asia Minor.

But as for the dead? We only know this: they are judged according to their works (deeds) by the Lord. Those whose names are not written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire which is the second death. We can assume many things, and I'm careful to point out the contrast between my opinion and the testimony of scripture. I'm convinced that the lake of fire is, as the scripture reads, the second death. 

I'm not accusing (nor declaring) that my brothers and sisters who interpret scripture in a manner I do not are wrong or even misled. I'm aware of the scriptural support behind the eternal suffering of man in the lake of fire, and I do not agree with the series of interpretations required to support that view of hell. I have always maintained that apart from the essential elements of eschatology --- the Son of God will return in the manner that He ascended; He shall resurrect the dead and judge them according to their works; and then when this is finished, He makes all things new --- there is much we don't know, hence those debates which carry on endlessly.  

I'm pleased to share what I'm convinced of and why, but I'm not engaging in a contest with brethren to see who is right and who is wrong. That's pointless as well as fruitless. 

With that said, what becomes of the dead who are spared by the Lord at the end of all things? That's the question, isn't it? It is!