Daniel 9:24-27: When?

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 2/10/2023 at 3:41 PM, WilliamL said:

no End Time prophecy foretells the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Temple before the return of the Messiah. (If you can provide any such prophecy, please do.) Likewise, no End Time prophecy tells of the destruction/consummation of any such Temple in the End Times.

 

The end times temple;

The anti-Christ will sit 'in the temple of God';
2 Thess. 2:4 proclaiming himself to be God.

"...he shall magnify himself above all." Daniel 11:37

"...he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease"
Daniel 9:27
 

"When you see the abomination of desoaltion
as spoken of by the prophet Daniel,
standing where it ought not"

Mark 13:14

"... shall take away the daily Temple sacrifice,
and shall place the abomination that causes desolation"
Daniel 11:31

From these we see that a abomination that causes desolation
is placed in the temple.

It most likely is something associated with
the mark and image of the beast,
causing literal desolation somehow.

 

The end times destruction of Jerusalem;

Luke 19:42-44

Luke 21:20-21

Daniel 9:26-27

 

I think one key to understanding Daniel 9:24-27 is seeing that it speaks about
thousands of years worth of time, 70 captivities [Daniel 9:2]
each ending with the destruction of Jerusalem and other nations in the world;
Jeremiah 25:12,17-18,26  Daniel 9:2, 16. When Daniel read Jeremiah he therefore started praying begging God to not destroy Jerusalem; Daniel 9:16,
but Gabriel came and told Daniel that 70 such captivities would happen.

4,900 total years worth of captivity, in the midst of which the Messiah
would also suffer, the death penalty, but not for Himself.

Another key is understanding who [the] people of the prince are.
They are not the Romans, they are people of the prince,
the prince [John 14:30] is the anti-Christ, the agent of Satan. [ 2 Thess 2:9 ]
The people therefore are of Satan, which from other scripture
we know are people pretending to be Jews. [Rev 2:9, 3:9]
And the anti-Christ will pretend to be God/the Messiah.
[2 Thess 2:4, Matthew 24:24] So it fits that his people are also pretenders.

 

"And I hated Esau and laid his mountains
and his heritage waste for the jackals of the wilderness."
Malachi 1:3

"Whereas Edom says; We are impoverished,
but let us return and build the desolate places;
thus says the Lord, they may build, but I will throw down,
and they shall call them, the territory of wickedness,
the people against whom the Lord has indignation forever."
Malachi 1:4

"And I will come near to you to judgement:
and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers...
and against the false swearers [Rev 3:9] ...
and against them that turn aside the stranger from his right,
because they do not fear me says the Lord."
Malachi 3:6-7

"Them that say; Stand by yourself,
come not near me for I am holier than thou.
These cause My wrath to smoke,
a fire that burns all the day."
Isaiah 65:5

"For behold the day comes, that shall burn as an oven;
and all the proud, yea, all that do wickedly,
shall be stubble; and the day that comes shall burn them up...
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise...
and ye shall trample down the wicked;
for they shall be ashes under your feet in the day that I do this says the Lord."

Malachi 4:1-3  [2 Thess 1:7-10, Rev 19:14-21]

"How are the things of Esau searched out!
how are his hidden treasures sought out! ...
You should not have gloated over your brother
in the day that he became a stranger."

"You should not have entered into the gates of my people...
Neither should you have stood in the crossroads,
to cut off those of his that did escape,
neither should you have made captive
those of his that did remain in the day of distress."
Obadiah 1:6-14

"For the day of the Lord is near...
Deliverers shall come up on mount Zion
to judge the mount of Esau 
and the kingdom shall be the Lords."
Obadiah 1:15,21

 

 

[Keras]

7 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

The end times destruction of Jerusalem;

Luke 19:42-44

Luke 21:20-21

Daniel 9:26-27

All of the Prophesies above refer to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Only Daniel 9:27 is for the end times.   Luke 21:25-26 is the Lord's Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal, when Jerusalem and all of the holy Land will be cleared and cleansed. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Zephaniah 1:14-18, +

[WilliamL]

On 2/12/2023 at 7:13 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

The end times temple;

The anti-Christ will sit 'in the temple of God';
2 Thess. 2:4 proclaiming himself to be God.

"...he shall magnify himself above all." Daniel 11:37

"...he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease"
Daniel 9:27

"When you see the abomination of desoaltion
as spoken of by the prophet Daniel,
standing where it ought not"

Mark 13:14

"... shall take away the daily Temple sacrifice,
and shall place the abomination that causes desolation"
Daniel 11:31

From these we see that a abomination that causes desolation
is placed in the temple.

All presumptions people put into the texts. Re: 2 Thes. 2, the Greek term is naos, not heiros. The former means a sanctified place, which can but does not necessarily mean a temple [heiros]. Jesus used the term topo hagio [lit., holy spot, Mt. 24:15], thus not mentioning a temple at all. The site of the original Sanctuary is holy in its own right, with or without any building upon it.

The Daniel 11 passage refers to the abomination of desolation by Antiochus Epiphanes in 168 B.C. The Daniel 9:27 prophecy was fulfilled in the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in 70 A.D.

Daniel 12:11, the passage Jesus quoted about the "abomination of desolation," again makes no mention at all of a Temple.

On 2/12/2023 at 7:13 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

The end times destruction of Jerusalem;

Luke 19:42-44

Luke 21:20-21

Daniel 9:26-27

The first two passages refer to the 70 AD destruction, the last passage to the 70 AD destruction.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 2/12/2023 at 3:27 PM, Keras said:

All of the Prophesies above refer to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Only Daniel 9:27 is for the end times.   Luke 21:25-26 is the Lord's Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal, when Jerusalem and all of the holy Land will be cleared and cleansed. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Zephaniah 1:14-18, +

 

The people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sancturay
and the end thereof shall be with a flood. Daniel 9:26, Revelation 12:15

And on the day of the Lord, those people of the prince are taken away;
Zephaniah 3:11-13, Obadiah 1:15,21

 

The book of Daniel also tells us;

"but the time appointed was long" Daniel 10:1

"for yet the vision refers to many days to come" Daniel 10:14

"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book
even until the time of the end
Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."
Daniel 12:4

Jerusalem has been invaded and desolated more than that one time.
The history of such is very distorted, but we can see
A.D. 70,  A.D. 1090 (the so called crusades) and 1948-67.
Half of Jerusalem was literally desolate and un-inhabited
from 1948 to 1967 and what was called the 50 years war 10 or so years ago,
is generally still ongoing today. ..

Daniel was concerned about the captivity he was in,
and the destruction of Jerusalem at that time; Daniel 9:2,16.
We can understand that he was 70 years older, in captivity,
reading Jeremiah and therefore understanding that Jerusalem was to be destroyed;
he prays that Jerusalem not be destroyed.
But Gabriel comes and tells him that 70 such captivities would happen.

And so Daniel 9:24-27 is describing 4,900 years worth of time
ending with the establishment of Gods eternal physical kingdom.

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 2/14/2023 at 12:51 PM, WilliamL said:

The first two passages refer to the 70 AD destruction, the last passage to the 70 AD destruction.

And so at what point in time are we now?

How has establishment of everlasting righteousness and sealing up the vision and prophecy been fulfilled? [from Daniel 9:24]  Aren't we still reading and discussing the prophecy?

And what about Mark 13:14?

"But when you shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel, standing where it ought not"

That all happened already?

And so the days after the tribulation are long? [Mark 13:24-25]
And we await the sun being darkened and the stars falling?

And concerning Luke 21:20-21

Jerusalem was surrounded by armies in A.D. 70,
and also very literally surrounded by armies in 1948, specifically May 15 1948.
The whole entire place completely surrounded with armies,
with half of Jerusalem remaining desolate until 1967.
And the war that started then generally continues,
in times past it was called the 50 years war, but it's more than 50 now.

Jeremiah tells us that at the end of the 70 years there is world wide destruction,
beginning with Jerusalem; Jeremiah 25:12,18,26.

Daniel was told that 70 such 70 years periods would happen,
ending with everlasting righteousness, the sealing of the prophecy,
and the anointing of the most Holy.

[WilliamL]

2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"But when you shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel, standing where it ought not"

That all happened already?

No, this is yet to come, but it will be the fulfillment of Daniel 12:11, not 9:27. The former passage is the only one that uses the term "abomination of desolation" in Daniel: 9:27 does not have it.

2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

How has establishment of everlasting righteousness and sealing up the vision and prophecy been fulfilled? [from Daniel 9:24]  Aren't we still reading and discussing the prophecy

Old Testament prophecy – that of Daniel’s people – ended at John the Baptist:

Matthew 11:13: “For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”

Luke 16:16: “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presses into it.”

Old Testament prophets had the Holy Spirit “come upon” them. Beginning at John, prophets were “filled with the Holy Spirit.” The latter phrase is never used in the Old Testament, and the former is never used in the New. The old manner of prophesying had been closed up. However, the Latter Day acts of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11:3-6 are comparable to former acts of the prophets Moses and Elijah, so what was closed up may be restored in the future.

Re: everlasting righteousness:

These things were undeniably accomplished by the Law-fulfilling sacrifice of the blood of Jesus: it made full atonement for sin, and brought everlasting righteousness to the believer.

My full article on verse 24 is here; the above are excerpts:

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1568-daniel-924-27-examined-part-1-verse-24/

 

 

[Uriah]

Daniel- "on a wing of the temple" (border skirt, outskirt, fringe etc.)

Jesus- "you... shall see in the Holy Place"

Paul- "he...as God sits in the temple...showing that he is God"

John- "the image of the first beast... could speak"

 

 

[WilliamL]

18 hours ago, Uriah said:

Daniel- "on a wing of the temple" (border skirt, outskirt, fringe etc.)

Speaking of the Tower of Antonia, which abutted the Temple Mount to the north in the time of the 70 AD destruction. No such place now.

This verse alone shows that the "abominations [plural] of a destroyer" of Daniel 9:27 cannot be "the abomination of desolation" of the End Times, which will be "in the naos [sanctuary or holy place]".

[Uriah]

On 2/12/2023 at 9:13 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

The anti-Christ will sit 'in the temple of God

The Jewish people, after having gone so long without a temple built, will allow a Gentile into it? A blaspheming hater of God who mocks any deity kills people who won't worship him? Into the Holy of holies? And what, with camera(s)?

[Keras]

On 2/21/2023 at 1:26 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

And so Daniel 9:24-27 is describing 4,900 years worth of time
ending with the establishment of Gods eternal physical kingdom.

Yes: many lies ixi posed. YOU do your share!

Note to readers: reverse the italicised words.