Man was in Pangaea

[dad2]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

If you try to use words in your own private meanings, you'll always get things wrong.   In Hebrew and in English, there can be no mornings or evenings without a sun.  By definition.  
 

 

 

Genesis is a record of the time before there was English or Hebrew. In that record, the sun was not here when there were mornings and evenings. No way around that.

[kwikphilly]

7 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @The Barbarian.

You said, "If you try to use words in your own private meanings, you'll always get things wrong.   In Hebrew and in English, there can be no mornings or evenings without a sun.  By definition." AGAIN!

Since you ignored what I said earlier, I'll repeat it for your convenience:

 

There is NOTHING in the text that says that a "yowm" of the creation ACCOUNT was not a literal day! In fact, the text says, "vayhiy 'ereV vayhiy boqer," "there-was evening there-was morning." There's no truth to the "Day-Age theory!"

Furthermore, the "yowm" ("day") is always contrasted with "laaylaah" ("night").

Another factor to consider is that the word for "skies" in Genesis 1 is "shaamayim," a DUAL word meaning the "day sky" and the "night sky."

These words "vayhiy 'ereV vayhiy boqer" appear in the text for DAY ONE!

The "greater light to rule the day" is NOT created until DAY FOUR! Furthermore, it is THEN that it was said, "v'eet hakowkhaaViym" or "and the-round-objects/stars."

Your "definition" is wrong!

Aaaah,I see you actually " studied" Ancient Hebrew" and do not sit with a Strongs Dictionary looking up individual words that cannot be simply translated with " a word' but a transliteration.

I must say" such a breath of fresh air"..... 🤗

Well done!

With love in Christ, Kwik

One of my pet peeves is the ":word" quotes translating Ancient Hebrew,It quite tiresome because it's usually ridiculously WRONG in hopes of changing the context to support ones own understanding.    Uhhhhhh

[The Barbarian]

6 hours ago, dad2 said:

I expect His word to be right. You should try it sometime.

I believe His word showing that the "mornings" and "evenings" are not literal ones.   You should accept His word as it is, rather than as you'd like it to be.

 

 

[The Barbarian]

6 hours ago, dad2 said:

And it makes it clear the day was a day and had a morning and evening.

I know you want to believe that.  But the Bible is more authoritative.   Sorry. If you try to use words in your own private meanings, you'll always get things wrong.   In Hebrew and in English, there can be no mornings or evenings without a sun.  By definition.  

Why not just set your personal desires aside, and let it be His way?

 

 

[The Barbarian]

Over a thousand years ago, Christians knew that the "yom" of Genesis were not literal 24 hour days.   St. Augustine showed that it could not be literally interpreted as literal days, and no one at the time disputed his finding.

YE is a very modern revision of Genesis.   Does that mean YE believers are not good Christians?   No, it doesn't.   It's not a salvation issue at all.  God doesn't care what you think of creation, as long as you don't make an idol of your belief, and insist that all Christians must believe it to be good Christians.

[kwikphilly]

2 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

I believe His word showing that the "mornings" and "evenings" are not literal ones.   You should accept His word as it is, rather than as you'd like it to be.

 

 

Blessings

I believe Genesis is a literal account Brother and I must say -I'd much prefer it was not!

I don't think it's fair to make such an accusation,I do understand that more often than not we find some folks modify the Scriptures meaning(;eg: out of context) to support their own theologies.    Instead of adjusting their theology according to what Scripture Says - this is not the same thing here,it's quite a controversy whether or not Genesis is literal or otherwise,brilliant theologians have argued and given support for their own beliefs,scientists as well,archeologists and many other academics.   

My 2 cents,I Believe God's Word just as you do and probably Dad2's as well ... I just Believe it literally

With love in Christ, Kwik

[The Barbarian]

It's very straightforward.    By definition, one can't have mornings and evenings without a sun.   Not a light in the sky; a sun.   So the text clearly tells us that they aren't literal days.

9 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Aw, baloney! The text CLEARLY states that there was LIGHT before even the light was consolidated into "two great lights," the "greater light to rule the day" and the "lesser light to rule the night."

Sorry, that excuse won't work.   "Morning" is not "when a light appears in the sky", nor does "evening" mean "when the big light goes away."   Otherwise, moonrise would be morning and moon setting would be "evening."    Again, if you don't use words for the things they mean, you're going to be constantly misunderstood (and misunderstand).

9 hours ago, dad2 said:

Look around today. Do you not relate to those thoughts? I gave the definition of the word used for 'regret'  Meanings that do not make the bible look wrong or unable to be taken for what it says. Funny you grasp at meanings that do the opposite.

It's not something you can just define away.   The transcriber used the best word he could use for what God is and does.   But God is eternal.  And eternal being are unchanging.    He is always the same.   Let Him be God and be what He is.

 

[kwikphilly]

5 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Over a thousand years ago, Christians knew that the "yom" of Genesis were not literal 24 hour days.   St. Augustine showed that it could not be literally interpreted as literal days, and no one at the time disputed his finding.

YE is a very modern revision of Genesis.   Does that mean YE believers are not good Christians?   No, it doesn't.   It's not a salvation issue at all.  God doesn't care what you think of creation, as long as you don't make an idol of your belief, and insist that all Christians must believe it to be good Christians.

Much better!

[dad2]

4 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

I believe His word showing that the "mornings" and "evenings" are not literal ones.   You should accept His word as it is, rather than as you'd like it to be.

 

 

So after waving away what a day is you proceed, of course to also wave away morning and evening. They just, golly gee, must actually mean something else to fit your stronger beliefs in science's alternate story of beginnings.

[dad2]

4 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

I know you want to believe that.  But the Bible is more authoritative.   Sorry. If you try to use words in your own private meanings, you'll always get things wrong.   In Hebrew and in English, there can be no mornings or evenings without a sun.  By definition.  

Why not just set your personal desires aside, and let it be His way?

 

 

By definition, mornings and evenings and days were here before the sun in God's word. Any defining later by English or Hebrew people does not matter at all. If they were believers they would have translated properly.