Man was in Pangaea

[abcdef]

20 hours ago, dad2 said:

It is certain that if the world was together (and it was) that the best and probably only place in the bible it is mentioned is when God scattered the people and the world was divided.

Where does it say that the continents were divided in the Bible?

 

20 hours ago, dad2 said:

The whole bible teaches God is the creator. Literally. Even an angel in the last book of the bible drives that point home. The gospels and epistles talk about it. The prophets...etc etc

Yes, God is the creator, I agree, of course.

The question is, "How did He create it?

Outside your window is a tree.

Did God create that tree? You may say yes.

But how did God create that tree?

Did it just appear one day as a tall mature tree? Or was it a tree that was produced by 2 other trees that pollinated together? And 2 trees before that, and two trees before that, etc., etc.? That is how God created the trees and us.

You seem to say that the creation process was a popcorn theory, where everything just "popped" into existence in an instant.

Pop, pop, pop, firmaments, earth, birds, fish, sun, moon, animals, pop, pop, pop.

But the evidence is right in front of you, it was a successive creation of millions of years, not 6 literal 24 hour days.

God created the tree outside your window, but maybe you would admit that it was created over thousands or millions of years. 

[abcdef]

21 hours ago, dad2 said:

 The evidence is clear that the world was together at one time. Plants, fossils, etc.

You say that the continents were together at one time, and that fossils prove that.

How do fossils prove that?

[The Barbarian]

But isn't it odd that some animals were fossilized but mammals weren't? In later deposits, we see mammals, but not those extinct animals.   Why not just admit that the evidence is what it is?

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

No.

Doesn't matter.  Reality wins, anyway.   No evidence for a "different nature" earlier.

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

Or a same nature.

You're wrong about that, too.   The ages of the rock out from the Mid-Atlantic Ridge shows no change in physics whatever.   If you were right, we'd see it at some point. But as you now realize, that never happened.

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

New crust is made in whatever nature the new crust exists in. What do you think a tree in the former nature looked like? I suspect it looked like a tree. A rock looked like a rock.

No. If radioactive decay were different, then all sorts of other constants would be different, like the speed of light and chemical reactions.   Trees wouldn't work because photosynthesis would not function.   Radioactive decay is locked to the speed of light.   The flux of radiation would have fried all life on Earth.

So you think God changed the old evidence to fit the "new nature?"   What a deceptive and tricky god you believe in!   Why not just accept it as true, the way He did it?

3 hours ago, dad2 said:

No.

   Your choice, but I'll put my trust in God and His word.  God is not obligated to do things the way you want.   As you see, both tidal rhythmites and coral growth bands independently verify a shorter day millions of years ago.  

3 hours ago, dad2 said:

You lost the right to mention rhythmites since you repeatedly failed to produce a sample with details of where and when it was from.

I linked you to extensive data on this. Want to see it again?  Here, I'll give you cites instead of links, so you won't even have to go there:

Choi, K.S., and Park, Y.A., 2000. Late Pleistocene silty tidal rhythmites in the macrotidal flat between Youngjong and Yongyou Islands, west coast of Korea. Marine Geology, 167: 231–241

Dalrymple, R.W., and Makino, Y., 1989. Description and genesis of tidal bedding in Cobequid Bay-Salmon River estuary, Bay of Fundy, Canada. In Taira, A., and Masuda, F. (eds.), Sedimentary Facies of the Active Plate Margin. Tokyo: Terra Publishing Co., pp. 151–177.

There's more, if you want.   It's not smart to deny things that are still on the board.

Unless you can show some proof of this magical change, we have to accept the evidence as it is.   What do you have?

(Refuses to provide any)

For reasons we already understand.   But I've shown you that the actual record of plate movement, tidal rhythmites, coral banding, and others show an ancient Earth.   Just let scripture be without your new additions.    Let God be God and do it His way.

 

 

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11 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Genesis is not a science text.  The creation story is a figurative account of creation, from which no scientific conclusions can be drawn.   The length of days, and how they changed over the millions of years, really have little to do with Genesis, except to rule out the figurative account as a literal history.

But some Christians are using Genesis as a science book. That was the extent of the point I was trying to make. For example, young earth creationists, of which I am not one. Did God trick YEC?

[dad2]

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

Where does it say that the continents were divided in the Bible?

It says the earth was divided in the days of Peleg.

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

 

Yes, God is the creator, I agree, of course.

The question is, "How did He create it?

How could One create it all in a week?

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

Outside your window is a tree.

Did God create that tree? You may say yes.

But how did God create that tree?

He didn't. Things reproduce.

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

Did it just appear one day as a tall mature tree? Or was it a tree that was produced by 2 other trees that pollinated together? And 2 trees before that, and two trees before that, etc., etc.? That is how God created the trees and us.

In creation week it was planted. God planted a garden.

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

You seem to say that the creation process was a popcorn theory, where everything just "popped" into existence in an instant.

Pop, pop, pop, firmaments, earth, birds, fish, sun, moon, animals, pop, pop, pop.

Pretty close. God spoke and it was so.

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

But the evidence is right in front of you, it was a successive creation of millions of years, not 6 literal 24 hour days.

No such evidence. Your dates are wrong and 100% faith based

 

[dad2]

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

You say that the continents were together at one time, and that fossils prove that.

How do fossils prove that?

Well they found similar plant remains and fossils in several continents. The idea is that at one time the land must have been together. There is no other realistic way things got around.

[BeyondET]

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

Well they found similar plant remains and fossils in several continents. The idea is that at one time the land must have been together. There is no other realistic way things got around.

the animal named coral, living and fossils can be found among continents.

Definitely wild looking animals 

Edited February 3, 2023 by BeyondET

[The Barbarian]

9 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

But some Christians are using Genesis as a science book. That was the extent of the point I was trying to make. For example, young earth creationists, of which I am not one. Did God trick YEC?

God is not deceptive.   But people can trick themselves.

 

[The Barbarian]

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

But how did God create that tree?

 

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

He didn't. Things reproduce.

God disagrees.    Do you not think God created you?   You just don't like the way God creates things.  

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Your refusal to accept this is at the heart of your refusal to believe Him.

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by The Barbarian

[The Barbarian]

7 hours ago, dad2 said:

It says the earth was divided in the days of Peleg.

No.  The word "erets" means "land", not "earth."    The word for world was "tebel."   The land was divided by different languages.   Here's a good examination of that division:

At the Tower of Babel, the Lord was displeased with the actions of people who sought to build a tower to the heavens and “make a name” for themselves (Genesis 11:4). In judgment, God confused their languages so they could no longer understand one another. The account ends with this summary: “That is why it was called Babel—because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth” (Genesis 11:9).

Peleg’s family history is noted once again following the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:16–19). The fact that Peleg is mentioned before and immediately after the account of the Tower of Babel helps clarify that this is the key event that divided the earth. It seems the earth was not divided geologically, but its people were divided into various language groups.

Today, more than 7,000 languages exist worldwide. While many of these languages were developed after the Tower of Babel, they can be traced to different linguistic roots. The languages that exist today still serve as a dividing point in culture. These divisions have existed since the Tower of Babel in the time of Peleg.

Interestingly, one final mention of Peleg is found in the New Testament. In Luke 3:35, Peleg is mentioned in the genealogy of Jesus. During the time of Peleg, God divided the earth with language. But all the while He had a plan—one that included Peleg—to send Jesus Christ, the One who can reconcile all divisions.

https://www.gotquestions.org/earth-divided-Peleg.html